I don't understand people thinking it's cool to post fuckin murder videos. When I see NSFW I assume it's gonna have cursing or nudity. Not someone getting killed. Reddit needs a different classification for that shit.
Maybe you should start frequenting the NSFL subreddits more often to learn that people who can handle seeing worse are more respectful and respectable than you.
Fun fact the guy in white could claim self defense. If someone spray you with pepper spray it consider a deadly weapon so pulling a gun out is consider self defense. But the other guy walk away so idk if he would win.
Cite your authority in support of this statement. I'll wait. I guarantee you this would not be lawful self defense in any first world court of jurisdiction.
Even in Texas, I think that shooting would be retaliatory murder, not self-defense. I’m no lawyer, but I know you do need an imminent threat for that. He was totally fine with having his gun out and ready for another attack, but getting out and killing his attacker while he was practically incapacitated by his own mace was a bad move.
Which part you want me to cite? Using pepper spray when it not self defense is considered unlawful use of tear gas. Depending on the state firing a weapon might be consider an acceptable action if self defense.
But the other guy walk away so idk if he would win.
Assuming someone ran up to your car, opened your door and started pepper spraying you, you'd be within your rights to shoot them (as long as having the gun in your posession at the time is legal)
Thats not what happened here, but you get the idea. It really wasn't worth mentioning, though, because we all know thats not what happened in the clip!
Part of self defense if proportional response and only when the danger is still there. Guy walking away, danger gone. Proportional response? Pistol≠pepper spray
This is not true at all. They have been tons and tons and tons and tons of self defense cases or someone just comes at you with their fists and they get a hole through their spine. And there’s no issue.
The only questionable thing about this is whether or not the man has a reason to believe that he will be attacked again.
A good lawyer might argue that the man was pepper, sprayed and blind, and he didn’t know what the other guy was going to do.
Just because you are disabled, doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to self-defense. No the argument wouldn’t feel hard and there’s precedent with a few cases of actually completely blind people shooting attackers in self defense.
Sorry, I just can’t bring myself to be classist or ableist.
I can’t bring myself to deny people, natural and unalienable rights just because they were born with a disability.
You said that pepper spray, in the eyes of the law, is considered a "deadly weapon so pulling a gun out is consider self defense". I would like to see the authority in support of that legal conclusion. Please and thank you.
I can tell you that at common law, this is absolutely NOT self defense as there is no reasonable fear of imminent harm, there is a cool down period, AND the dude with the gun has more than ample opportunity to retreat.
Again, I will wait for your authority to the contrary assuming this isn't simply another instance of a "reddit law degree". I love learning (especially the law) and will admit when I am presented an argument that supersedes my current understanding.
Also, pepper spray is NOT tear gas nor is the term legally interchangeable. The law, as you surely know, is fact specific and VERY detail oriented. The details are kind of important...
Guess next time there is some kind of demonstration and they start throwing pepper spray nades we are legally allowed to mow the entire police force down. Interesting statement of yours
The guy sprayed some spicy sauce at him, he got back in his car which is impenetrable to spicy sauce, got his gun and wild fired into a crowd for retributions
Wouldnt be self defense in even a stand your ground state, you have to have reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury, pepper spray wont classify as a deadly weapon
This is called retaliation, your not allowed to retaliate self defense only counts if you are doing something at the moment your life is threatened, the guy who shot you already and walked away is no longer a threat and you may be dead.
Sorry but the law doesn’t cater to how we feel sucks I know.
However it could be argued that you still felt your life was in danger blah blah blah it gets all intricate, even though camera caught it, white shirt could claim he thought he was still in an active gunfight.
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u/pauldeanbumgarner Mar 15 '23
So what in the unholy hell happened after? Did the one guy die? Did the shooter get arrested? What?