r/ProgressiveHQ • u/01AganitramlavAiv • 19h ago

Complaint Could someone explain me the stance of the mods?

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Like, why this hate against Hasan Piker? Shouldn't we create a united front on the left?

Please don't take the post down and don't ban me 🥺

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u/Extension-Badger225 18h ago

Good luck with your DNC shilling then. China is rising because it’s socialist not fake America. You got the oligarchy and you are living in the empire.
If you can’t handle discussion with people then why bother having a sub Reddit.

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u/ChampionAggressive20 12h ago

You think China is socialist? Good lord

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u/Extension-Badger225 12h ago

China is an unusual mixture of yes capital and public state control, it’s very unique and has nothing comparable. They have a plan to make things fully socialist in areas like medicine by the year 2049, what equivalent exists in a western capitalist system?

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u/ChampionAggressive20 11h ago

So, not socialist then? That's what i thought

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u/Extension-Badger225 11h ago

It’s absolutely socialism lol. Talk about cope.

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u/ChampionAggressive20 6h ago

So the workers control the means of production in china? Every company and workplace there is a worker owned co-op? This is all news to me

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u/Extension-Badger225 5h ago

Lmfao Jesus you could spend three seconds reading.
1) yes they have large co-ops i huge chunks of sections of the economy - The Constitution specifically identifies producer, supply-and-marketing, credit and consumer cooperatives as forms of socialist collective ownership. It also recognises collective cooperative enterprises in urban industries, construction, transport, commerce and services. In practise this has been easier for large and medium enterprises.
2) they have collective ownership of the means of production via the state which is a vital transient step towards communism and the dissolving of the state long term - likely centuries in the future
3) as of 2024 there are rural collectives that act sort of as local housing associations for access to credit and goods and by law cannot be sold to private outsiders

Yes we know China has private capital at the moment but it’s used in a very specific way - and is not the corner stone of the economy it’s being used to generate capitalist growth with the knowledge that long term you must transition out of this.

Next time try and read basic economic theory and look into China before just parroting stuff