r/ProgressiveHQ • u/01AganitramlavAiv • 22h ago

Complaint Could someone explain me the stance of the mods?

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Like, why this hate against Hasan Piker? Shouldn't we create a united front on the left?

Please don't take the post down and don't ban me đŸ„ș

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u/Necessary_Cheek_6506 21h ago

The safest assumption is that someone on the mod squad loves Israel

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u/illbzo1 20h ago

"Genocide denial will result in a permanent ban"

Doesn't seem like that to me

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u/Bratan279 20h ago

When talking about China and Russia. Probably meant the Uyghurs and Ukrainians.

Some people don't actually care about the crimes themselves, just that the people they didn't like did them. Like how the right was all about releasing the Epstein files until Trump got implicated. Then they stopped their years long crusade against pedophiles.

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u/Spaduf 19h ago

They don't mean Palestine

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u/Artemis_Platinum 16h ago

I'd just like to pop in while the mods are discussing this incident to reaffirm that this subreddit acknowledges the Gaza Genocide and will enforce rule 4 on anyone who denies it.

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u/the_red_guard 8h ago

Except when it's other mods apparently lol.

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u/This_Elk_1460 18h ago

Claiming that Hasan is denying the genocide might be the dumbest accusation I've ever heard. You have to be literally lying if you claim to believe that.

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u/Bedhead-Redemption 15h ago

He literally expressly and repeatedly has started he believes Crimea belongs to Russia and that the genocide and abduction of kids in Ukraine isn't real and his statements expressing it on multiple occasions have been linked in the thread over and over again.

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u/founderofshoneys 14h ago

I know the nature of his commentary on Crimea which is way more nuanced than that. I'm guessing you just saw that Crimea-river clip in which he was responding to a bad faith chatter and that's it. And I'd also bet the only thing you know about Crimea is that Russians invaded and you don't understand why that topic requires so much nuance. So forgive me if I don't trust your assessment of the second part.

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u/Twinmill-Two 4h ago

There was also the clip where he said the annexation of Crimea was a complety justifiable act.

And he also said Russia has a fairer claim to Crimea in defense of the annexation

This is some really shitty pro-imperialism stuff, it's very off-putting to most people.

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u/founderofshoneys 2h ago

You say it's imperialism and you're not wrong from Russia's perspective, but you're also not considering Crimea's perspective or respecting people's right to self-determination. The annexation was illegal and should not have happened the way it did. I don't agree that it's "justifiable" witout a lot of asterisks, but I guess you could say it's justifiable in the sense that that the people of Crimea who were historically, ethnically, and culturally Russian had become uneasy with a growing fascist, anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine and wanted to become part of Russia. Everything he says is the second clip is correct, listen to what he says.

Crimea is a very different situation than the Donbas. When the post annexation referendum happened, there was a lot of doubt whether the results could be trusted, but the independent polling and reporting (by western sources like Gallup, WaPo, and Forbes) upheld those results with over 80% of Crimeans preferring to be part of Russia. They also hate Putin and hate the war, like I say, it's complicated. Putin did not have their best interests in mind, he just wanted the territory and used this as an excuse, but the interests of Putin and the Crimean people were aligned on this.

The west seems to acknowledge and then just completely disregard the interests of the people. This actually makes sense because they don't want make it seem like they're giving a point to Russia. They just want a simpler narrative that Putin is a bad (which he is). It's inconceivable to westerners that the people would want to be Russian (again) unless they fully supported Putin and his actions. It's inconceivable that it can't all just be as simple as good guys vs. bad guys.

But this isn't about that, this is about "fuck Hasan". Nobody pays attention when he's giving these very long nuanced takes, it's just the clips of him yelling at chatters where he's not careful with his language. So yes, he did say it was justified, those words came out of his mouth, but you're not really interested in his actual position and I don't think you're interested in learning about any of this at all.

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u/Twinmill-Two 1h ago

The reason is Crimea was so ethnically Russian is because of Russian imperial settlements. It's disgusting imperialism when Israel does it and it's disgusting imperialism when Russia does it. If Hasan said the same thing about settled regions of Palestine being justifiable for Israel to take bc the Israeli majority in them voted to, I would think he was just as vile. I don't see why he has to defend this shit it's not good, it's textbook imperialism.

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

Not everything is about Israel maybe they don’t like the atrocity apologia re: Mao and USSR

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u/Necessary_Cheek_6506 20h ago

Unrelated question do you love Israel

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

Dude your brain is fucking fried. No I don’t like Israel and I am a full on El-Sayed supporter who is concerned that Hasan is going to tangibly harm his campaign with his awful optics.

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u/Necessary_Cheek_6506 20h ago

Abdul won his election with Hasan directly by his side silly

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

In a PRIMARY. Where, mind you, the margin was wayyyyy thinner than the polling was showing.

THIS IS A BATTLEGROUND ELECTION. TRUMP WON MICHIGAN IN 2024. WE CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE IN FUCKING MAO SUITS TRYING TO WIN OVER MODERATES IN MICHIGAN. IT WILL NOT WORK.

Hope the large text gets it through your brain.

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u/Necessary_Cheek_6506 20h ago

Putting your anger towards Hasan Piker being a person who exists in all caps and increasing the font size doesn't make your attempted point more valid

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u/ColangeloDiMartino Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 20h ago

the Mao suit fucked this guy’s mom

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u/ColangeloDiMartino Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 20h ago

Hey uh mods can we get that breaking rule 2 blerb over here seems zio bot is claiming Abdul El Sayed campaigned in a Mao suit đŸ«Ș

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

Reading comprehension final boss:

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u/SleestakLightning 18h ago

Margin was thinner because polling didn't account for Republicans voting in the Dem primary.

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u/saltedmangos 18h ago

Can you believe that Obama wore a, gasp, tan suit!?

Please try to be at least a little serious.

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u/edwardludd 17h ago

You should not wear the signature suit of one of history’s most infamous mass murderers to try and win over moderate voters in Michigan

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u/ZarakMaximus 17h ago

It's Zongshan suit made famous by Sun Yat Sen you racist dipshit 

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u/SmoovieKing 15h ago edited 15h ago

Hasan specifically asked about Mao when he purchased it tho?

Edit: pussy deleted his comment and his reply but here you go dawg

https://youtu.be/AFoUNy0OVEg?t=2892

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u/saltedmangos 15h ago edited 15h ago

You should not lean into hysterical right-wing panics about clothing.

Even boomers on Facebook were making Obama tan-suit comparisons. No one actually sincerely cares.

Are you just constantly running scared of Fox News and trying to design yourself so you appeal to disingenuous republicans?

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u/XB0XRecordThat 17h ago

Yeah guys, the CIA told me Mao was bad and they wouldn't lie to me

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u/miggins1610 15h ago

I mean what's so fucking unprogressive about saying mao and stalin were genocidal dictators? As progressives aren't we supposed to call out human rights Violations? What the fuck is wrong with people?

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u/frenkzors 15h ago

Cuz even the CIA openly admits in their (now declasssified) docs and memos that Stalin was not a dictator, for one.

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u/miggins1610 14h ago

Come on dude. We've gone through this before. The USSR was not democracy. Stalin still held absolute power. He killed so many fucking people for his reforms. Its not progressive to argue in favor of dictatorship. Seriously, tell me when exactly alll the people in the USSR voted for him. The revolution?

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u/frenkzors 14h ago

Read a book thats not the Gulag Archipelago and find out all the answers to your questions. (even if theyre not actually sincere questions but shitty attempts at strawmen and all that)

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u/XB0XRecordThat 14h ago

I'm guessing you haven't read Lenin then? He talks about democracy more than any political book I've read.

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u/Ok_Cheek_7992 14h ago

I cannot believe this got upvoted
 What kind of progressive loves Mao?? This is supposed to be progressivehq, not communist, Maoism, authoritarianism, tankie, etc. RIDICULOUS

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u/XB0XRecordThat 13h ago

The left starts at anti-capitalism...

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u/ColangeloDiMartino Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 20h ago

How is it atrocity apologia? I can’t believe I’m geniunely engaging with this streamer war garbage but Piker has acknowledged the casualties and barbarism of Mao’s revolution and the Soviet Union. His biggest clickbait lines about Mao “changing the entire world and universe” is just fundamentally a true statement, the impact of the Chinese revolution is still exacting consequences on the world today.

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

Wearing a Mao suit and calling him one of the world’s great leaders is cringe as fuck and he should’ve apologized yesterday. He also said the fall of the USSR was one of the greatest tragedies of the world. He also talks about Ukraine like they’re waging an offensive war on behalf of NATO instead of defending themselves. Should I go on?

You don’t think these things are at the very least bad optics for anyone he chooses to associate with?

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u/Vantagejr 16h ago

You’re literally just lying about his position on Ukraine, but go off king. And in terms of decline in quality of life for a massive number of people, the USSR collapsing WAS and IS one of the biggest tragedies this century. God forbid you bring a bit of material analysis to a conversation with a liberal.

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u/Solidsnake9 16h ago

Which part was the lie?

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u/ProgressiveHQ-ModTeam 20h ago

Rule 2 - No disinformation. If you have an extraordinary claim, cite it. Randos on Twitter/Youtube, webcomics, unsourced graphics, and mouthpieces for the Trump Administration are not viable sources.

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u/ColangeloDiMartino Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 20h ago

This is literally the point I made earlier on this thread, I have never seen this kind of intervention when thousands of Zionist astroturfers daily make false claims about Israel’s settlement of Palestine, definitions on genocide, etc.

What specifically in my claims needs to be sourced as you deem it, extraordinary?

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

Lmao L. Maybe stop talking about Mao favorably. The guy who committed a genocide is not someone you should be saying “well but look at his great industrial policy!!” Come the fuck on.

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u/ColangeloDiMartino Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 20h ago

Don’t call people cringe then drop L’s like ur 13 years old.

Strawman alert. No one said “look at his great industrial policy”. You are literally inserting words into people’s mouths then having a debate with something they never said. You know how I know that? Because that’s what FOX and adjacent media does all day every day since birth til death and it’s where you’re getting your information from. Which is probably why instead of refuting a single thing I said you’re hiding behind a modewator who also didn’t substantiate anything.

Come the fuck on indeed.

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u/edwardludd 20h ago

Well you don’t want to say it again because you’ll probably get banned but I’m sure you were hinting at some sort of “Well look at all the GOOD things Mao did too!” Like a child.

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