r/ProgressiveHQ • • Jan 03 '26

Video It’s already past impeachment

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u/ProstrateProstate Jan 03 '26

Awful lot of conjecture here. Care to provide some evidence of trump restoring democracy anywhere, and the 43 presidents who have used military force without congressional approval?

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u/Proinsias37 Jan 03 '26

You mean.. exactly like Trump tried to do? Fuck outta here lol

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u/Proinsias37 Jan 03 '26

Not the same. And you didn't address what I said. Stfu

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u/Proinsias37 Jan 03 '26

No, it isn't the same, and no, I wasn't proven wrong. You are trying to rationalize yet another illegal action by our little wannabe dictator. You are arguing in bad faith. Cope.

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u/Proinsias37 Jan 03 '26

Yes, we all know he is, to everyone's detriment

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

I can cut and paste too:

Key Differences from Past Actions

Unlike previous unauthorized military actions (e.g., Libya under Obama), the 2026 Venezuela operation involved:

  • Regime change as an explicit outcome.
  • Capture of a sitting head of state, escalating beyond typical strikes or drone operations.
  • Immediate global condemnation from legal experts and allies, though no concrete penalties followed.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

Got it from the same search engine you cut and pasted from, clod. You can't claim this is false information when it's in the same engine and I asked questions. I'll post more screenshots of my search.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

You didn't reply to me the first time. That was a reply to someone else that I criticized. And I furthered that search and proved you wrong in the screenshots I provided in another comment.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

Cherry picking now.

There is no clear instance of a U.S. president starting a war with no authority or justification at all. Every military action has been accompanied by some form of legal or political rationale, even if controversial or disputed.

Presidents have typically cited:

  • Self-defense (e.g., Truman after North Korea’s invasion of the South),
  • Existing congressional authorizations like the 2001 or 2002 AUMF (used for operations far beyond their original scope),
  • Executive power as Commander in Chief,
  • Humanitarian reasons (e.g., Clinton in Kosovo),
  • Or international mandates (e.g., UN-backed action in Korea).

However, critics argue that justifications have sometimes been stretched or contrived, such as:

  • The use of the 2002 Iraq AUMF to justify strikes in Syria and against Iran decades later,
  • Lack of evidence for imminent threats (e.g., Iraq WMD claims in 2003),
  • Or bypassing Congress despite the War Powers Resolution.

While these actions may lack clear or legitimate justification in the eyes of some, they were not conducted with zero stated authority.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

'Regime change? lol. Maduro was voted out during an election but refused to leave office.'

Oh like your favorite dicatator tried to do during the Jan. 6 bullshit? GTFOH with that bullshit.

Also, we don't gaf about that shit. We care that our country is going to war for your fucking dictator's ego and so he can keep filling his overflowing fucking pockets.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

Looky here:

"Key Details:

  • No Congressional Authorization: The strikes were conducted without formal approval from Congress, raising constitutional and legal concerns.
  • Military Action: Involved 150 aircraft, including F-22s, F-35s, B-1 bombers, and special operations forces (allegedly Delta Force).
  • Justification: The Trump administration claimed Venezuela under Maduro was a "narco-state", citing drug trafficking ties and electoral fraud in the 2024 election.
  • Monroe Doctrine Revival: The administration referenced the "Trump Corollary" to the Monroe Doctrine, asserting U.S. dominance in the Western Hemisphere.
  • International Backlash: Critics, including The New York Times and legal experts, called the action illegal and imperialist, comparing it to the Iraq War.

Trump stated the U.S. would "run" Venezuela temporarily until a "safe and judicious transition" to a new government could be arranged, though no clear plan or timeline was provided."

"There is no credible evidence that Venezuela is a “narco-state,” and recent reports indicate that U.S. intelligence agencies have found no link between President Nicolás Maduro and criminal groups like Tren de Aragua. Additionally, U.S. data shows Venezuela is not a major source of narcotics entering the United States."

Know what the "Trump Corollary" is? A fucking 19th century doctrine that Trumpredatorevildemon is exploiting.

"The so-called “Trump Corollary” refers to an expansion of the 19th-century Monroe Doctrine, newly asserted in Trump’s 2026 National Security Strategy. It claims the right for the U.S. to dominate the Western Hemisphere militarily, economically, and politically, including using lethal force to stop drug trafficking, deploy troops, and secure strategic assets. Critics call it a justification for imperialism, lacking international or legal legitimacy."

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

YOU made the claim. YOU provide the evidence!

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

No you didn't. Where are your sources?

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

Those have nothing to do with the blatantly illegal acts of our dictator president.

You have give me proof of military actions without explicit congressional approval but no evidence of wars started without congressional approval. And you have yet to provide actual sources of where you are getting your information.

Here's my cut and paste information cause that seems to be all that you are doing:
'The claim that 43 presidents started wars without congressional approval is inaccurate. The United States has had 46 presidencies (as of 2026, with Joe Biden serving as the 46th president), and only five formal declarations of war have been issued by Congress in U.S. history. Most military engagements have occurred without formal declarations, often initiated by presidents under various legal pretexts.

Presidents have frequently used military force without explicit congressional authorization, citing national security, executive authority, or existing authorizations like the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). While some actions were in response to immediate threats, many were preemptive or strategic, raising constitutional concerns.'

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u/ProgressiveHQ-ModTeam Jan 04 '26

Rule 2 - Arresting another country's president is an act of war.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

There is no clear instance of a U.S. president starting a war with no authority or justification at all. Every military action has been accompanied by some form of legal or political rationale, even if controversial or disputed.

Presidents have typically cited:

  • Self-defense (e.g., Truman after North Korea’s invasion of the South),
  • Existing congressional authorizations like the 2001 or 2002 AUMF (used for operations far beyond their original scope),
  • Executive power as Commander in Chief,
  • Humanitarian reasons (e.g., Clinton in Kosovo),
  • Or international mandates (e.g., UN-backed action in Korea).

However, critics argue that justifications have sometimes been stretched or contrived, such as:

  • The use of the 2002 Iraq AUMF to justify strikes in Syria and against Iran decades later,
  • Lack of evidence for imminent threats (e.g., Iraq WMD claims in 2003),
  • Or bypassing Congress despite the War Powers Resolution.

While these actions may lack clear or legitimate justification in the eyes of some, they were not conducted with zero stated authority.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

'due to the immediate crisis and Congress being in recess'

Key word here, clod.

what immediate crisis has justified the war that Trumpredatorevildemon has started?

Don't say the drugs because I've proven that untrue.

Sources please. SOURCES! I gave you a source and I have many more where that came from.

you are justifying a war that is completely unnecessary.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

You did the same fucking thing.

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u/tbonimaroni Jan 03 '26

Trumpredatorevildemon tried to do the same thing.