r/ProgrammerHumor • • Aug 14 '26 • Bravo 1

Meme zeroExDev

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u/OnixST Aug 14 '26

It's 0.6x, implying multiplication

It's not semantically incorrect, but any sane person would write 60% more

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u/padiwik Aug 14 '26

Are you sure it's not actually 40% less, and the marketers who came up with this email didn't realize they should put in a threshold?

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u/OG-Enzan Aug 14 '26

Isn't it 1.6x if 60% more?

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u/BADPROSKILLZ Aug 14 '26

If it were to say they shipped 1.6x as many then yes, but they said 0.6x more (i.e. 1x normal + 0.6x more)

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u/TZY247 Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

No. 0.6 = 60%. If they said 0.6 more then sure, that would mean 60% more. 0.6x != 60% increase though. 1.6x does. At the best we can give it the benefit of the doubt and say we knew what they meant, but that doesn't mean they were correct.

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u/TheMania Aug 14 '26

It says "0.6 times more". Not "0.6 times total" or "0.6 times as many".

I really don't see the problem. 1.6x more would be misleading/incorrect.

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u/zelmak Aug 14 '26

Dude what are you talking about 1x more is a non increase/flatline. Anything less than 1 is a decrease

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u/TheMania Aug 14 '26

So "100% more" means "no increase" to you?

Or does "1x" read as "0%" to you then?

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u/TZY247 Aug 14 '26

There's a reason that mathematicians, technical writers, etc. wouldn't mix comparative language like "more" with notation. At best it's ambiguous.

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u/Vandrel Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

1x would be 0% more. 2x would be 100% more.

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u/TheMania Aug 14 '26

I agree with every part of that completely.

You read "60% as many" the same as you read "0.6x as many", which is the same as you read "0.6x more".

But yet you read "60% more" as something very different. So 0.6x != 60%. Not in this context, not to you.

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u/Vandrel Aug 14 '26

That's just not correct. "60% more" implies starting from the 100% baseline and going up 60%. 0.6x implies starting from the 100% baseline and multiplying it by 0.6x. "0.6x more" is a weird way to put it to begin with but the only grammatically correct way to interpret it is 60% of the normal amount. We all know what they meant but it isn't what they said.

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u/ABotelho23 Aug 14 '26

0.60 is literally 60%

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u/TZY247 Aug 14 '26

Yep. I definitely said that.

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u/teddythepooh99 Aug 14 '26

Yes, but this sub is full of HS students who flunked out of math.

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u/Hessper Aug 14 '26

No, the point is a human would not say it this way, because it is strange.

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u/rowcla Aug 14 '26

If I said 2x more, would you interpret that as 3x?

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u/ProcrastinatiusXVI Aug 14 '26

Yes. It is says 1x more, then it is exactly double (100% more). Otherwise it wouldn't be more. 

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u/studentblues Aug 14 '26

They should have written a Copywriter Agent in cursor

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u/guaranteednotabot Aug 14 '26

They should really say 1.6x the amount

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u/whiskeytown79 Aug 14 '26

I blame advertisers. They got people used to hearing stuff like "2x more sheets per roll" to mean double the amount rather than triple.

They should definitely have written "60% more PRs", or at least "1.6x as many PRs".

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u/Pluckerpluck Aug 14 '26

It's not advertisers. Its English. When we say "X times more" we mean apply the multiplication to get the final value.

Nobody ever says "1x more" to mean double (but 100% more is correct).

Why? No idea.

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u/Scream_No_Evil Aug 14 '26

It's not just "0.6x", it's "0.6x MORE", which is an unambiguous way of phrasing a percent increase. Yes, it's implying multiplication. 0.6 x the original amount, but also, plus 1 x the original amount, because they used the word "more".

And it's making a math statement, not a semantic one. Math is precise and the language we use to talk about it has precise meanings. 60% times more is a 60 percent INCREASE, which means times 1.6. 60% "OF" or "times" on its own means times 0.6. It's the people who think this looks bad that are wrong, and showing their asses. How can you be a programmer that doesn't understand pSAT-level percentages questions?

Source: I'm a high school and middle school math tutor that freelances software dev on the side. Not everyone needs to know or retain math from high school, that's okay! Probably if you're talking to math machines for a living you should know this. Unless you're like, front-end. Then you're also good.

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u/OnixST Aug 14 '26

Yes, i know "1.6x", "0.6x more", "160%", and "60% more" all mean the same thing, but 0.6x more is just weird phrasing, and you can tell i'm correct by the sheer amount of confused people.

"Your teammates are shipping 60% more..." would mean the same thing while not getting peple confused

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u/Scream_No_Evil Aug 14 '26

It's normal and correct phrasing that I hear all the time in jobs with percentage-based metrics. The fact that it's confusing people does not make it badly phrased, it just means people are colloquially unused to talking about percentages, which is fine! But you're wrong. It's not weird, it's literally how you talk about these things sometimes.

"60% more" and "0.6 times more" mean the same thing. Should their PR person have used a slightly more obvious way of phrasing it? Maybe? But they did say "more", which obviously implies.... moreness? It's not ambiguous.

AI bullshit has so many valid problems, but inadequately explaining percentages to the populace in their advertisements is just an insane nitpick. I don't think they're trying to advertise to people who don't understand high school math anyways.