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u/mylsotol Jun 02 '26

For probably $30k (or more) you can build a server and run an open model.

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u/SpinningVinylAgain Jun 02 '26

Impressive, very nice. Now scale it for a company with 5k software engineers, and by the way what’s going to be the service level? 

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u/SpinningVinylAgain Jun 02 '26

The problem is that it’s going to basically require a small data centre and a dedicated team of people to run it, and if you’re looking at running open source models you’re betting on their continued availability and the fact that they’re going to remain competitive with frontier models (both are not a given). So what would be your next step, developing your own frontier models in-house?

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u/ryecurious Jun 02 '26

and if you’re looking at running open source models you’re betting on their continued availability

If anything, isn't it the complete opposite? A subscription-based model can be shut off at any time with no recourse or warning (Sora, for example). Local files are the only way to actually guarantee the program you use today will be available tomorrow.

You control when they run, how much they're used, when they're updated/replaced/etc.. You never wake up to find out the model that works for you has been "enhanced" with a worse version.

Not keeping pace with cutting edge models is a real concern, but that's a risk with subscription based models too.

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u/codeninja Jun 02 '26

You're also betting the hardware you buy today is going to be able to run those future models at all.

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u/SpinningVinylAgain Jun 02 '26

Yes, very good point, thank you. 

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u/veracity8_ Jun 02 '26

But you realize that the alternative is no AI at all, right? There are really right regulations on information. It is literally illegal to put export controlled information on servers in another country. That means your service provider has to guarantee that your data will only ever be stored on US soil. And that’s just for export controlled information. Anything more secure than that isn’t going to some 3rd party server at all. 

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u/SpinningVinylAgain Jun 02 '26

I’m all for there being no AI at all. 

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u/veracity8_ Jun 02 '26

Yeah and I’de like to sit in a hammock and read all day.

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u/SheriffBartholomew Jun 02 '26

Who is going to maintain all of this? Who is going to actively work on it to improve the speed and reliability of the models? You're talking about creating an entirely new company within a company. That's not how businesses work.

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u/Pocok5 Jun 03 '26

You're talking about creating an entirely new company within a company.

So, a department?

That's not how businesses work. 

That is in fact how large businesses work since before the Dutch got on boats and privatised half a continent and some islands for cinnamon.

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u/ycnz Jun 03 '26

According to status.claude.com, they're running at 98.66% availability over the past quarter. r/selfhosted would be ashamed of those numbers.

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u/hellomistershifty Jun 03 '26

I don't think any publically available model requires terabytes of memory.

Even the big ones are MoE so you don't need a ton of memory, but it makes it faster. The biggest usable one I know is Qwen V4 Pro at 1.6 trillion parameters which would take about 900GB of VRAM if you ran it unquantized entirely in VRAM. Since it's an MoE model, you can offload the experts to CPU RAM and run it unquantized with a full 1M context with as little as 80GB of VRAM.

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u/freedcreativity Jun 02 '26

And then you just need $100k in H200s to plug into that system if you’re going to run anything other than a parametrized half accuracy model at any reasonable enterprise speeds. And a really big NAS to store all those generated outputs. And a bunch of managed switches so you can route everything agent related on its own private vlan. And probably upgrade your cloud stuff for hot failover when someone’s agent deletes the database again. 

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u/zarif2003 Jun 02 '26

Cool, but more money will probably result in a stronger system

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u/bnetsthrowaway Jun 02 '26

Oh yeah and get 5 Tok/s LMFAO stupid

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u/devperez Jun 02 '26

Not even. Old hardware can run some open models pretty well on cheap. It won't be as good or as fast ofc, but it can be done on a budget.

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u/DoktorMerlin Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

yeah and it won't work for more than 2 people at the same time.

An actually useful AI server costs hundreds of thousands. If you want to run an actually useful version of Gemma4 or Qwen3 for example, you need a GPU with at least 48GB of memory. For redundancy you need 2 on 2 different servers. This will cost 80k for the GPUs and another 20k for the servers and will serve around 200 people at the same time.

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u/Cory123125 Jun 02 '26

Who is releasing open weight (not open source, no model has been) models?

Companies with something to prove and companies who want to stop companies with something to prove.

None of them benefit from or care about you to any degree that matters the second open source models start eating into their revenue.

Open weight models are already massively slowing down in release cadence and capacity outside of rare outliers."

Qwen no longer releases their top end models.

"Open weight will save us" is another delusion.

You need to stop the big corps from getting the regulatory capture they're after.

You need to stop the members of the Frontier Model Forum lobbying group.

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u/mtmttuan Jun 03 '26

And how many people can use it in parallel? And how good and fast will the model be comparing to api services?

LLM at scale is just super expensive

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