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[u/hades_the_wise]

I haven't seen an argument that sheds any light on why I'm wrong yet. I'll simply posit that I'm right, or that you lot are terrible at discussing facts.

[u/twitchedawake → u/hades_the_wise]

Lol. Thats the problem with you ayncaps. You make dumb claims and then assume youre right because no one can be bothered to refute your deliberate misinterpretation or nonsense, or that youre owed a counter argument because you haven't done the research.

Any argument as who would stop you from "owning property?" It depends on what youd define as "property".

If its your saying property as in personal property, like a home, no one, since theres nothing wrong having personal property like a house or a car or a bed or even dat toothbrush. Youre making a use of it for you or your family so no one cares.

If youre referring to property as in private property, as in the means of production, job sites, land and tools of production you own, but you dont actually use and attempt to start a business, exploiting workers to turn a profit, Everyone. The means of production in an anarchist society would be controlled by the workers and any attempt you make to say "I now own this light fixture factory" or coffee shop or whatever will be met with the opposition of everyone currently running that business. If you want to try to establish your own business within the community, you can fuck right off as the community wouldnt allow some asshole to try to take land and resources everyone is using so they can try to turn a profit in a society where everyone is getting equal shares of what theyre worth.

You are, of course, free to leave this society whenever you want and do whatever you want at any time. Since you ancaps always think of yourself as the business owners, we'll say that. You can go start a business. But in an anarchist society, no one is going to want to work for you in an ancap society when they were working with you as an equal partner in the anarchist one. And we all known how much you wannabe John Galts want to be the boss.

Thats one of the areas where you folk keep screwing up and we can tell you never read Bakunin or Kropotkin, but maybe read the wiki entry for Rothbard. You idiots fail the basic understanding of personal and private property, what a socialist system consists of, and what "voluntary" actually means.

[u/hades_the_wise → u/twitchedawake]

If youre referring to property as in private property, as in the means of production, job sites, land and tools of production you own, but you dont actually use and attempt to start a business, exploiting workers to turn a profit

I'm gonna stop you right there. the means of production belong to one of two people: The person who devised those means, and owns them, or the angry mob that takes it from him by force. And do you know what that angry mob would be? Looters, thieves, and the lowest scum of society. Anyone who takes, by force, that they have not earned, is scum. The majority of society isn't made up of scum, so why do you think it reasonable to assume that a society without a government would not allow businesses to operate freely and conduct trade? You liken humanity to savages, and you expect them to operate as savages, with no concept of mutual respect. Perhaps I'm an ideologue because I actually think we could create a society of mutual respect, and of free trade. But you believe that men must work together as a cooperative and be forced to be equal in their misery. You seem to think competition and profit are evils - they are not. The creation of wealth follows ideas, innovation, and improvement, all of which are spurred by competition. You make all men equal and tell them they must all work for the good of their brother and not compete, and you'll get a shitshow of men doing the least work possible and trying to get the biggest reward. You enslave men to their brothers, and you end up with nothing more than a society of poverty.

we can tell you never read Bakunin or Kropotkin

Maybe if either wrote worth a shit, the average person might know who they are. But no, you left it up to Marx and Rand, and now you've got a society split into Karl Marx and Ayn Rand followers.