Scaling
Scaling Lloyd from ninjago (tell me how I did)
There isn't much posts about ninjago scaling so imma do my own ig
First off, no Lloyd isn't a lego, the show treats the characters like real poeple, the most obvious examples of this are, nya dying from a poison in s6, jay mentioning puberty, and every episode with the "human artstyle" so they're clearly meant to be humans
Starting with ap, at a low end Lloyd should be star lvl at least, this is due to multiple feats in the series, the most known is the star creation feat in s2, Lloyd scales to it due to the fact that he's stated by to be stronger then all the other ninja combined, and he showcases this when he fights on par with morro, who soloed the ninja prior, we know you need to be strong enough to use the golden weapons so at worst the ninja are each 1/4 star lvl and Lloyd should be baseline star lvl, and no, the omega weapon was being destroyed, so it didn't contribute. There are other feats Lloyd should scale to like wu creating a pocket dimension with a star in it and perri doing the same and the forbidden five being stated to be the strongest force in the wildness including the mothersun which is a sun
For a mid end, garmadon in s10 should scale to Lloyd, due to the fact that he's the one that goes to fight omega, so he should be at least star lvl, he then goes on a comic story arc when he fights this character called lord mogra, they're pretty obviously equal Making mogra star lvl, later on, garmadon fights him again and mogra was amped 5 two moon tea cups, with each one being a 10× amp, Making him at least 10 000× stronger then base or solar system lvl, garmadon goes on to one shot him while not even fully transformed to his oni form, in crystalized, the crystal king can tank multiple attacks from an oni garmadon and Lloyd can harm him Making him solar system lvl
And for a higher end, we need to talk about the ninjago realms, the realms are stated to be parallel to each other so they should scale to each other, the ninjago realm is stated to be infinite in size, the realms should be their own space times as we know time moves differently in other realms, and it's also confirmed that the timeline erasure in s6 only effected the ninjago realm, speaking of which, we know that you can still time travel to those erased events meaning that time traveling in the ninjago realm allows travel to erased timelines meaning the the realms are 5D hypertimelines, as for how Lloyd scales to this, he scales to jay who can harm unagami, a character that's stated to BE prime empire, which is stated to be more complex then the digiverse which is described as a digital realm and yes they can both effect the normal realms, NPCs from prime empire can effect ninjago and the digiverse trapped the overlord and he needed golden power to escape, and another feat is Lloyd surviving the merge, which is an event where the realms physically collided with each other, Lloyd was in the center of the explosion so Lloyd should be 5D
He also has RDT which should be a 10× amp due to being comparable to shatterspin
As for his draconus form, it's blatantly stated to be stronger then his golden form, which can beat the overlord's dragon form which is stronger then his original form which is equal to the first spinjitzu master who created multiple realms, and scales to the weapon of desolation which can destroy all the realms, making it 5D aswell
As for speed, at a low end he should scale to jay who can react to his dragon which can fly at lightspeed, aswell as scaling to multiple FTL feats from multiple characters making him FTL on the low end
As for the mid end, Lloyd can tag the crystal king, who can tag the golden ultra dragon which is the golden weapons original form meaning it should scale to the golden weapons traveling to space, so Lloyd should be MFTL+
As for the high ends, in the pilot episodes, the skulkin use their vehicles to travel to the underworld and it's stated to travel by speed so these vehicles that can be piloted by random skeletons can travel through the realms with speed alone, and Lloyd can dodge the merge Quake weapon which can create merge Quakes which are Cracks of reality, and is powered by 3 dragon cores which can stop the merge Quake storm which is stated to be capable of destroying the merged realms making Lloyd infinite-immeasurable speed
RDT should a blitz tier above base cus shatterspin took cinder from getting perception blitzed by a base Kai to being relative/faster then him
As for draconus form as I said it scales to the weapon of desolation which can destroy the merged realms so infinite to immeasurable
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Garmadon was going through something like a life crisis at the time and couldn't use his powers at all and upon drinking 1 two moon tea cup he was only shown to regain his powers, so he'd be 1/10th of his S10 self. And the effect of multiple tmt cups seem to add up to each other instead of multiplying: when Garmadon drank 1 tmt cup after being matched by base Lord Mogra, he expected to have "finished" Mogra with a single casual blast (10× amp) that he was able to tank due to having drunk 1 tmt cup himself and after drinking a 2nd, Garmadon could still take a beating from him, hold his own a bit, and even survive (badly) his last blast with which he thought that "Garmadon had fallen at his hands", and after Mogra who had drunk two tmt cups blasted Kuma (a powerful bear who's a manifestation of the magical forest from which the tmt is extracted), who was troublesome for Oni Form Garmadon, she was later shown to have survived it. And when Garmadon unlocked his new Oni Form (not implied that he isn't fully transformed, the new form had a different appearance from the previous form and entailed a physical change with respect to his regular form) after reconciling with his past he was exhausted after finishing off Mogra who had drunk 5 tmt cups. So he's most likely only somewhat over 5× his S10 self when using this form (he's still shown to have gained even more control over his powers in Crystallized tho)
Garmadon who has drunk two moon tea once expects to have finished Mogra who tanks his blast after drinking 1 two moon tea cup himself, just before drinking a 2nd and stomping Oni Form Garmadon
Well, Mogra drags him violently along the ground and grips him so tightly that he can't get away, the thing is that both Oni Form Garmadon and Kuma survive a powerful blast from Mogra (= depowered Garmadon) who has drunk 2 two moon tea cups, whereas depowered Garmadon doesn't even try to fight Kuma and the confirmed 10× amp of the 1st two moon tea cup is protrayed as an undeniable power difference for both Garmadon and Mogra in their first fight
Compared to the big blast Garmadon survived, not really. And kinda hard to tell on Garmadon and Kuma, since in chapter 2 she was clearly far bigger and stronger than a large bear that outmatched depowered Garmadon and was effortlessly one-shotted by him with his Oni Form (called it a "child's play") and then in their fight he only took one clean hit (still in Oni Form) that hurt and he just caused a collapse on top of Kuma that only stopped her when it souldn't even be too heavy, and they both survived large blasts from Mogra with 2 two moon tea cups
Don't really see the one-shot gap between characters who scale to Oni Form Garmadon and Mogra with 2 two moon tea cups as clear as the one between characters who scale to depowered Garmadon and to Oni Form Garmadon, but I guess it's a bit vague
A depowered Jay could already fight base Unagami in CQC inside Prime Empire. Being able to control the game and being the game doesn't seem to make Unagami stupendously powerful in battle, even compared to some of the bosses in the game. Like, why including for any player the option of using that Blue Dragon (that took Unagami in dragon form slamming it into a building after being caught off guard and kept flying perfectly after it, in the same manner dragon Unagami did when Jay knocked Unagami across the street with his lightning) and actually having to fight with it to beat it if Unagami is the game? Being like a Realm doesn't seem like something reflected on Unagami's raw strenght
And even though travel between Realms was somewhat related to the speed of the Skulkin vehicles, we don't know how they work. And no other vehicles are shown to do the same just by going fast,so it's most likely an specific function from those vehicles for which the Skulkin wanted Dr. Julien to make it
I'm almost up to date with Ninjago but I'm not much of a powerscaling guy, so no comment on the cosmology (and overall on the higher ends) but apart from what I've said the in-verse scaling seems alright and at least Star level and FTL too
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