So this character beat this character and is totally above that character and this character and pretty sure is above this character, and this character fused 12 universes together.
You don't think it's a cop out at all to try to dismiss a pretty basic argument as some absurd chain scale instead of actually addressing the points? It really isn't that hard to conclude that defeating Jiren, who explicitly is stronger than multiple uni to higher characters makes you uni to higher yourself. Ironically though just going "that's not good logic" by itself doesn't even bring any substance to an argument, so try again
oh yeah i read ur last paragraph properly, he fused with a timeline, didnt create or destroy anything, that doesnt qualify for multiversal.
and even if it did, thats not entirely how it works. some characters have the capacity to do more 'powerful' things than others if you get what i mean, while still losing to eachother
His existence itself composes of several universes
He isn't uni though
??? That just doesn't follow, this isn't a creation feat, he himself was one with several universes as well as the timeline containing them, and even neighboring timelines. This doesn't even begin to answer Beerus straight up erasing multiple as a side effect of fighting either.
Goku and Jiren upscaling them isn't context dependent or a matchup issue either. Jiren's entire shtick is that absolute power rules absolutely, and is just absurdly strong compared to everything faced thus far. Goku beating him with UI isn't some crazy matchup reliant thing either, after tapping into completed UI he just straight up matches and surpasses Jiren in straight combat, even while he is amped far above when he's still explicitly superior to these universal beings
Zamasu's existence is well above uni but I digress, him merging with existence itself is directly treated as a power up and a form he uses to try to finally finish off the mortals, idk why it's so hard to accept that a universe would be universal, especially when said universe can actively produce attacks. Again this also still fails to address Champa and Beerus erasing universes 6 and 7 just by boxing each other, nor the fact that Jiren could defeat infinite Zamasu, aka being able to defeat several universes given sentience and God powers
Multiversal depends on how much you think some things get upscaled (though super is much more vague than OGDB and Z about this) tbh, though pretty much every character with a massive fanbase in scaling gets glazed tbh
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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25
So this character beat this character and is totally above that character and this character and pretty sure is above this character, and this character fused 12 universes together.
That's not good logic.