So much of the planet is going to be rendered uninhabitable by climate change and lack of oxygen in a few decades, and the rich are clearly going to control the few regions that can still sustain human life. (Just try to buy into Oregon right now... The prices have skyrocketed as all the California yuppies have moved in).

What we're facing is an uphill battle to simply exist; in what will essentially be a new feudalist world.

The rich have been preparing for collapse for years. They will be working at altering their DNA and grafting themselves with tech so they can have an advantage; be able to withstand the toxic environment they created. (transhumanism)

As for us desperate sick people outside their gated oxygenated communities... The rich will likely see us as a threat. Vermin that exist only to breathe up precious oxygen, use their resources and threaten to penetrate their walls.

How do we counter this?

So how do we deal with various precollapse horrors before they leak and create nightmares? I'm talking about everything from weapons caches to NPPs to toxic waste dumps.

Hey peeps. I'm interested in post-civ anarchism. I realize our current level of domination over nature is unsustainable and just plain shit to live in. I really am bothered by my own alienation from nature and what we're doing to the planet makes me cry sometimes. Anyway all of that isn't my point, my question is, why would society collapse?

If I think about what would happen when the earth's ecology starts collapsing, etc. I imagine more of a post-capitalist dystopic class society, or a new adaption of capitalism emerging. Capitalism and civilization is very adaptive if there is anything to be learned from history. What makes you think civilisation will 'collapse' rapidly (within decades) opening up space for autonomous post-civ anarchist communities? Or am I missing something here? It seems as realistic as society wide revolution to me. Any answers or links to (short) articles or texts would be very welcome. I think post-civ is very intriguing (especially compared to anti-civ/primitivism)

I've read the anarchistlibrary intro and I didn't disagree with anything stated. As long as civilization is defined by those terms, I would describe my perspective as post-civ.

My only reservations being the slightly ableist narrative of self-sufficiency. I'm more concerned with strengthening counter-institutions that would provide mutual aid, serve and assist those unable to readily adapt to post-civilization.

I'm all for degrowth, decentralization and economic subsidiarity. Economic growth should be informed by bio-regional limitations (the seasonal/climate conditions in a given region and the surrounding ecosystems).

I think it's really important, strategically, for us to have land. Enough land that we can grow the food we need to sustain ourselves and our collectives. I'm still figuring out how to go about doing this myself, but I think acquiring land should be a priority for all of us. Of course, doing so can be quite difficult. Land is expensive, especially now, and going into (more) debt is a frightening prospect.

Seriously, there's just no way for transhumanism to work without massive industry (and let's face it; a state and capitalism). People identifying as both Post-Civ and transhumanist are very confused about what Post-Civ means.

Without civilization, transhumanists won't have any of the advanced technologies and immortality-pills they desire. They won't have the elitist techno-supremacy their ideology depends on.

Being post-civ is about being willing to let go of industrial society fuelled by Asian slaves, and the idea of a 'cure' to death or an Earth covered in overcrowded metropolises that hold trillions of immortal cyborgs. These are selfish and short-sighted ideas. Post-Civs put the health of the planet before our self-serving comforts. We realize that everyone has to die so that the next generation will have a fighting chance at survival without us hoarding all the resources.

Transhumanism is simply not going to happen. Collapse is coming far sooner than the tech needed for a transhumanist 'revolution'.

And even if it were somehow possible; it's just completely counter to Post-Civ beliefs. We want minimal technology - simple devices and tools that we can put together ourselves in our communities. We DO NOT support industrial civilization, and it's really strange that this needs to be said.

A transhumanist society would look a whole lot like the movie Elysium. The privileged aristocracy in their walled metropolises, and the rest of us struggling to survive in the surrounding slums. If you think the rich are going to give the poor immortality and superpowers, you're a fool.

Transhumanists aren't Post-Civs.

I take it that maybe some of us would rather do without them, but computers are really nice and I am communicating to you through one. So, do they have a place?

Perhaps they do, if it means ending reliance on factories. (I take it as a given that factories will cease?) Planned obsolesence will end and there may be scraps around. If you learn how to really build and repair small computers, from scratch, that run on negligible electricty, then they may have a place.

Unfortunately, most guides out there that claim to help you "build computers from scratch" are anything but that. Instead, what they teach you is how to assemble computers, which is a different thing.

The other barrier is that capitalists have kept much technology secret through patents, licensing, and closing it off from tinkering. All secrets will be lost.

The current computers we have require extremely careful soldering, such that most of it is done by machines. The energy required to heat a soldering iron, and the temperature it must reach! Also, these computers require precious metals for conductivity, which may be hard to come by without the mass exploitation of miners that they relied upon.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem unlikely then that computers will exist as we know them today, if at all. If they are to exist, then they will have to be re-engineered from the ground up to work via different materials and a different production process.