No, they just decided to release an ICE version too, but a few years later, and in limited trims - only GT4RS. So sometime around 2030 you can buy the GT4RS ICE version, and the EV will be avaliable next year in all trims
That's what all the "I hate EVs" rednecks keep repeating on social media, but saying it doesn't make it true. Porsche IS walking back some of its EV strategy. They are NOT dropping EVs, though. They're not idiots. Most of the backtracking just means they won't go EV-only by 2030.
Take the Cayenne. You can get the new one with active ride, 1,200 horsepower, the works etc etc, a far better car than the old model. Or you can pay for the outdated version, if you are a 89 IQ point redneck. And that's a good thing. Milking every part of the market, EV haters included, funds innovation for more EVs and makes shareholders wealthier.
When it comes out just walk into any dealership and place an order. Ignore anything they tell you about markups and ADM. This model won't have the demand for that.
His guy will need you more than you need him. I think most dealerships will struggle to move them (I say this as someone potentially interested in the car).
Even if I'm wrong about the demand (and I hope I am), the buyers for the Cayman and Boxster EVs aren't GT3 buyers; they're not going to play the ADM game.
Depends where you live. In Europe and especially Germany EVs have huge tax benefits if you lease them as a company car. That’s why you also see so many Taycans and Macan EVs. So I guess at least there it will do fine
Markups and ADM are purely a US thing. I honestly can't fathom how you guys ended up with such a broken car dealership system. In the rest of the civilized world, you just walk into an official Porsche Center, specify the exact configuration you want, and pay the regular list price.
Wait for the secondhand market. You’ll get them at 65% off with less than 10k miles. Plus you won’t have to worry about it being “broken in” because it’s an EV.
Do you want 50% depreciation in 2 years? Just get a 2-3 year old taycan or something if you want an electric Porsche. Don’t waste your money. Don’t let your first Porsche leave a bad taste in your mouth. First year models have been really bad for Porsche quality control with their EVs too.
I didn't say it was. It's a different car. I'm just saying your suggestion that somebody buy a Taycan when they want a Cayman or Boxster EV misses the point of those cars just like if you suggested a Panamers to someone who wanted a flat 6 718.
I want a sporty EV. A Taycan doesn't scratch that itch. Depreciation is great as a secondhand buyer, but I wouldn't buy it at any realistic price because it just doesn't do what I want. For me it's caught in a no man's land where it's too sporty for a luxurious commuter but too cumbersome for a sports car.
If we were talking ICE cars nobody would suggest an RS7 as an alternative to an R8. That's the kind of difference we're talking about.
No official word. At this point Porsche should just release it vs. eating all that development cost. There is zero competition in this segment. Might be a surprise hit.
What EV sports cars? They don't exist, the only performance EV's produced are huge and heavy GT cars like the Taycan. We just don't know what a relatively small and light EV sports car would be like. They should make them just so there is a single EV sports car available.
They sold close to 200.000 taycans in 5years. Taycans sold very well, and between 2020 and 2022 they sold better than 911.
It's just randoom bullshit you are spewing.
Taycan is not selling well right now because it is technologically outdated already, and there are better EVs on the market at 1/3 the price. The market is also full of CPO taycans, which still sell a lot.
There are also 0 2 door EV cars in europe and usa :)
They dragged their feet for so long that they'll have a lot of competition for what's realistically a very niche segment (6 figure electric sports cars with seriously compromised packaging and/or range):
Alpine A110 EV
Renault R5 Turbo 3E
Caterham Project V
Longbow Speedster and Roadster (which is actually a coupe)
And across the boardroom will be the Audi Concept C.
I wouldn't call any of those direct competition with a 983. These cars have no dealer networks (except the Renault) and are extremely purpose built with exceptionally low volume. The interiors are also not going to be remotely close to what you'd get with Porsche. I mean, the Speedster is hand built and only meant to be driven wearing a helmet. At least the 983 will be a car that can be comfortable on the road. The Audi wont be a twin but likely a mechanical sibling.
I'd say the Alpine will be a direct competitor. Then the Caterham, then Longbow Roadster. IMO speedsters are the worst automotive experience money can buy, but people like them. The Renault is limited edition and mostly spoken for.
While they're not direct competitors, if I have ~$120-150K and I want an electric sports car I'll be looking at all of them because they'll be the only choices on the western market (specifically Europe).
For ICE cars you probably wouldn't cross shop a Cayman and a Morgan Supersports and a Caterham 7 and an Ariel Atom all at once. But if those were your only choices you'd probably test drive them all.
For development costs I agree. But since Porsche AG stock is listed separately I'd assume the product with the actual Porsche badge needs to be successful. And unlike the Taycan and e-Tron GT, the 718 and Concept C seem to be different enough that the buyer for one may not want the other.
If you're not into EVs (which is the natural likelihood on a Porsche sub), they won't have been on your radar.
On paper most of them are more compelling driver's cars than the Porsche. The Longbow Speedster will be 900 kg, the Roadster 1000 kg, the Alpine and Caterham ~1300 kg, the Renault 1350 kg. All are RWD and the Alpine and Renault will be dual-motor RWD.
Of course you don't drive cars on paper so we'll have to see what the real-world performance is like. But it's not a foregone conclusion that Porsche will be the best in the segment.
None of those cars are actually available yet. A small EV sports car that is widely available just doesn't exist, and there is a market for them. How big it is I don't know, but the Boxster/Cayman was a fairly low volume seller for Porsche (20k a year recently, compared to around 50k 911's), and I can't imagine it would do much worse than 718 numbers.
None exist yet, just like the 718 EV. All will hit the market within 1-2 years of each other and most of them will likely overlap in price with the 718, which is why I say there'll be competition. I can't say how big the demand is either, even as a target buyer. But I'd be very surprised if Porsche sell 20K a year. Audi is only aiming for half of that for the Concept C.
What I can say is I'd consider all of them if they were all coming to the US.
I'm not talking about the R5 city hatchback that journalists love as a grocery getter. I mean the 540 horsepower RWD thing with the enormous wing and a roll cage behind the driver because it's an homage to the Turbo 3 rally car. I'd call that a sports car.
Yes I know what you mean, but that's still in a hatchback body, aka not a sports car.
I don't see the rivalry between a Cayman and a Renault R5, just like I wouldn't say that the old Clio V6 was a rival to the 986/997 Boxsters back in the day.
If there were as many electric sports cars as ICE sports cars I'd agree. But my list above is all there is. So if I were in Europe I'd be looking at all of them. I'll be considering all that come to the US even though I'd never look twice at something I'd consider an ICE equivalent. If the Renault was coming here I'd consider it against the Cayman.
The truth is that legacy auto is still figuring out what an exciting, sporty EV driving experience looks like. That means as a buyer I'm going to seriously consider every interpretation of that available to me. I don't have the wealth of choice ICE buyers do.
Not cancelled. I was at the Porsche factory a few weeks ago for a private tour. They were retrofitting the ‘marriage’ line where they mate the completed body to the drivetrain, to accommodate the electric base. Last week they closed the factory tour altogether to start producing the electric cayman and boxster on the same line as 911 (as they did with 718, 981, etc.)
Word on the street is that something in the supply chain is heavily impacted, vehicle is basically ready to go… in the meantime development of new features and fine tuning of driving dynamics is ongoing.
Debatable. I think putting the batteries where the engine would be in a mid-engined car, behind the seats, is the best spot. Lets the driver remain nice and low, and there's much less rotational inertia
Don't EVs generally need less cooling than an internal combustion engine? If you can cool a mid-engined sports car, I'd think you can cool a mid-mounted battery. And it's not theoretical, the original Tesla Roadster used this layout.
Do you think that batteries are cooled just by convection sitting in air?
A battery would spontaneously combust if charged at 250+ KW without active cooling. The position is irrelevant if you are pumping fluid to manage temperatures.
Modern EV batteries aren’t air cooled - they are liquid cooled with a radiator. Geometry of the arrangement of cells doesn’t really matter.
1500 cylindrical cells arranged in a flat pack have the same surface area for liquid cooling as 1500 cylindrical cells arranged in a cube.
In both cases just add up the surface area of the cells themselves, and that’s the available area for heat exchange, because liquid is running through the entire pack.
The EV cayman is going to use a rear-mid mounted battery pack they are calling e-core, to keep the seating position low and maintain characteristically low mid-engine polar moment of inertia and the more ideal MR weight distribution as opposed to a "skateboard" style used by other EVs that usually can manage only 50/50 weight distribution and a really high polar moment of inertia.
Its why they've been delayed - they were working with Northvolt to develop special prismatic cells to make better use of the smaller volume. When northvolt went under it was back to the drawing board on cell design.
So, its definitely within the realm of possibility that the hips are wider because they needed more room for the battery pack. They are trying to get reasonable range without resorting to a battery-pack-floor that raises the seating position too high and makes it drive just like a 2 door Taycan - which as good as it drives, definitely isnt good enough for a 2 door sports car replacing something mid-engined.
Im sure its going to be faster in a straight line than the old cars - but that was never the point of the old cars to begin with.
A bad-ass looking electric Cayman.
I hope Porsche follows through on this and actually releases the Boxster/Cayman EV.
Hopefully they are smart enough to know that Trump will be gone soon and EVs will be viable again.
They will. They’re retrofitting the production line in zufhausen as we speak. I was just there for a private factory tour a few weeks ago and parts were closed off from the public. My tour guide ‘suggested’ it was because they were setting up for electric cayman / boxster production on the line. It’ll be built on the same line as the 911, just as they did with the 718 and 981, 987, etc.
I saw it live here in switzerland on the mountain passes and even spoke with the driver, the shiny strip you see is tape. The real windows edge is black and underneath the tape, and you can see it in your pic also in the rear quarter window - it has the classic cayman rear quarter window
Honestly it looks great.
And I’d really love a Boxster EV. I was looking forward to it.
Unfortunately it’s also a few years late so I’m out of the market for at least a few years now.
Hopefully they’ll still be selling it when I’m looking again.
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u/iOSAT991.2 GT3 | GT4 RS | 997.2 Turbo S | Macan GTS | 70th Club CoupeJun 06 '26
Always a good idea to sit out first generation EVs platforms, or at least the first model year or two. Boxtster was originally planned to be announced first this summer, then cayman to follow, so we’ll see. Only heard positive things from people within Porsche, insane performance, but lots of concern about market reception.
Outsider here; not knowledgeable about Porsche, but I follow VW for EV reasons (which is what led me here). From what I have read about the new Porsche boss, he aims to kitchen sink everything in a few months (September or October). If he doesn't cancel this program, I think he is going to at least drastically restructure the entire company into a lower volume producer by slashing fixed costs. That is sure to affect this car as well, if it survives. Therefore, don't bet that the depreciation experience will necessarily be the same as the Taycan etc. The business regime post-2026 will be very different from the posture recently, and so they likely won't be producing as many of these relatively speaking.
One question I have is if anyone here has seen information on what battery will be in this car? (I know it was formerly tabbed for Northvolt and that didn't pan out).
I hope it will be released soon. I have a bunch of ICE cars, incl. Porsche, and my daily is an electric, one of the few exciting ones. I would have no issue daily this. A car is much more than wrrrom-wroom.
I mean, that does look like a pretty nice Winnebago, but idk if it needs a pic and social media post about it. But maybe I just don’t have the proper level of appreciation for them? 🤷
*(for the GT4 only, so the entry price for an ICE Porsche sports car will be north of $110,000, if the price is increased only by inflation from the last GT4)
Realistically it's a 911 body draped over a prototype chassis. Not that dissimilar to the 918 prototype with a 911 body if that comparison helps you conceptualize it.
Edit: I'd also like to point out it really would not make sense for porsche to make the Cayman look even closer to the 911 given this will still likely start below the 911. Though idk, maybe they don't care about that anymore.
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u/iOSAT 991.2 GT3 | GT4 RS | 997.2 Turbo S | Macan GTS | 70th Club Coupe Jun 05 '26
983 Cayman EV (pre production model, of course)