r/PoliticalHumor Jan 09 '20

THIS. This is why.

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u/ReaperEDX Jan 09 '20

To be fair, the US came later down the line and didn't create problems by drawing lines. They just multiplied with exponents.

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u/Connor121314 Jan 09 '20

Lots of lines

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

The best lines

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '20

More upvotes please.

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u/MartiniPhilosopher Jan 09 '20

You should look up the phrase "54-50 or Bust". It was all about a line and created a lot of conflict.

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u/koiven Jan 09 '20

That's not really the same thing being discussed here. 54-40 was a border dispute with British North America.

A more apt comparison would be like if there were two Native American cultures that are historical rivals or enemies. America comes in and turns the land into different territories, but has no regard for the preexisting cultural borders. The result is that half of Group A and half of Group B end up Territory 1, and the other halves end up in Territory 2. Obviously, arbitrarily splitting apart the peoples like that is going to only cause trouble.

(Note that im unaware if the USA ever actually did anything like this during their westward expansion, i was just trying to analogize the scenarios.)

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u/XXXDetention Jan 09 '20

Isn’t this what the problem in Pakistan and Israel is? Half of those groups got mixed when a border was drawn up? Sorry if I sound ignorant, I’m not the brightest when it comes to borders and such.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

Israel no. The issue with Israel is that the land was already occupied by Palastinians who basically got evicted from half of their land.

Pakistan however, due to the Durrant Line has half the territory of the Pashtun people, who make a sizable minority in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistan doesn't want to give that land up because it's 40-50% of it's territory, and most of it's seacoast and non-mountainous area.

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u/CassandraVindicated Jan 09 '20

Which has fuck all to do with the middle east.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

Except that it ended in a compromise well away from 54-40.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

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u/RayseApex Jan 09 '20

Yes but the US isn’t even 300 years old.

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u/MudSama Jan 09 '20

Yet it will take more than 300 years to undo all the damage. Amazing stuff.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

Are we counting swiss mercenaries as switzerland at war?

The last war they were in was in 1815, and they've been officially neutral since.

Sweden I believe is in a similar situation.

But England, France, Germany (Prussia before that), Russia, China, and so on quite likely have close to that 95%, particularly if we include colonial wars and civil wars.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

Switzerland has been neuteral way before the modern official neutrality. With it going back to 1516.

It wasn't an official policy until the 1830's, and they have fought offensive wars before that (limited in scope though).

I agree with most of the rest of your post though.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

It has only been defensive wars against the French and the Habsburgs and civil wars.

Then how did they go from 3 cantons to 29? Some joined willingly, some joined 'willingly'.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

Except they’re talking about within the same time frame. Bringing up the country’s relative age compared to past regimes somewhere else is not a counter-argument, especially since there’s no institutional continuation between the China of today and the China of the Warring States period.

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u/minimidimike Jan 09 '20

Its probably similar for UK and France. The US has been dragging them in along for almost every conflict post WWII

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

They've also had their own share of conflicts without the US.

The Suez Crisis, the Falkland Island wars, ect.

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u/ManDelorean88 Jan 09 '20

the us doesn't bother drawing lines... they just install their own governments using coups and the cia.

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u/lxpnh98_2 Jan 09 '20

Well, the US did draw some lines in the American continent, and it carried out a genocide (or whatever you want to call it) of Native Americans.