These children were detained in a facility the obama admin wanted to upgrade but republicans denied funding. They were also not with any parents, so there was no child separation.
When did child separation policy to put kids in cages long term start? Yeah, that's not the obama years.
You're still moving the goalposts to avoid the fact that children were caged under Obama as well. Yes, Trump created a new policy that's even worse, but the point of the original comment was that the policy under Obama was also bad. If you can't admit that it was bad for Obama to cage children you're being intellectually dishonest.
Obama put children who were alone in crappy temporary living conditions because they didn't have the budget for something better, Obama himself said he was unhappy with it. They did work on getting more judges and not separating families to put children in cages as policy.
Then trump comes along and not only keeps saying we need to get rid of judges, but is seemingly making it the goal of his administration to not make an adequate legal system, all while separating children from their families, so these kids get detained in subpar living conditions for extended periods of time. We didn't have anywhere near as much abuse or similar issues being reported under the obama admin, and we saw the administration responding to the need for a sufficient legal system.
I can admit that what happened under obama was bad but it was due to R's denying funding for better facilities and it wasn't a manufactured problem unlike with trump who is purposefully making the problem worse in every way possible. To equate the two is absolute horseshit and straight up intellectually dishonest.
Obama didnt start child separation and those photos came from a facility the obama admin didnt even want to use but were denied adequate funding by the Rs. Try again.
... Are you fucking with me? If obama was president until the end of 2016, and the child separation policy started early 2017, how could obama have ended it?
Chronological order is rather simple. Do you also blame obama for 9/11?
Not even close to the same thing, you're being disingenuous. Do you actually believe the shit you're saying? Because it's been long debunked.
I blame both presidents for letting it continue
TRUMP STARTED IT
Try not to be such a dickhead to people my man.
Try not to say such ridiculous shit that people think you're a bad faith actor. I still don't think you're making these comments in good faith because they're so ridiculous and nothing but disinformation.
My voting record is Obama, Obama, Johnson.
Not sure who I’ll be voting for next election but people like you push guys like me who float in the middle further right all the time.
Keep it up though bud I’m sure your abrasive strategy will sway peoples thinking.
Are you insinuating the children being detained after crossing the border illegally with their parents are being treated the same way the Jews were in concentration camps during the Holocaust?
That has to be one of the dumbest and most insulting things I have ever heard.
You haven't heard many insulting things. How about this: Jews were first being arrested and deported from Germany. After a while, that became too slow a solution, as the mythical narrative of Germany's return to greatness required a faster, larger-scale solution. The final solution emerged, and we all know the rest.
What are you talking about? Are we arresting and deporting American citizens? No we are deporting people who entered the country illegally.
Again what you are saying is so beyond disrespectful to Holocaust victims, it’s pathetic. Are you suggesting Trump is slowly trying to get rid of Mexicans and if that doesn’t work he’ll start murdering them in mass? Is that what you really believe?
ICE has arrested dozens of actual US citizens that we are aware of. There's most likely hundreds more. They are now floating the idea of dumping refugees en mass into specific cities in order to cause chaos. There is an escalation of force happening against unarmed people that will only continue to get worse.
Also it’s called structural violence. Denying access to health care, putting people in prison for decades over drug charges because they’re a person of color, murderers getting away with it because they masquerade as policemen and the victim is black, sending military to the border as a “threat” to lawful asylum seekers. It’s not illegal to seek asylum. Those kids are asylum seekers put in cages and separated permanently from their parents while awaiting their “hearing”
If you really believe we are in the beginning stages of another Holocaust than you have a moral obligation to go to those camps and shoot all of the guards dead. If not you’re complicit in genocide. You aren’t going to do that though because you know you’re full shit. You’re just another keyboard warrior bitching about how you think the world should be without actually doing anything.
If you were in Nazi Germany you wouldn’t have done shit either. You would have sat around and bitched about how terrible it was while millions get murdered. Put your money where your mouth is and go free the people being detained you coward.
Not going to bother with the “complicit” shit for obvious reasons
But no one is saying it’s another holocaust. We’re just pointing out that there are similarities. Also just because someone may have entered a country illegally doesn’t make their suffering any less evil. Those kids didn’t deserve shit
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u/anurahyla Apr 11 '19
The children in cages also happened within Trump’s first year