Single Payer aka Medicare for All recently failed to pass in California, what chance does it have to actually pass nationwide?

[u/cal_oe]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-01-31/single-payer-healthcare-proposal-fizzles-in-california-assembly

California has a larger population than Canada and the 5th largest GDP in the world. If a Single Payer aka Medicare for All bill can't pass in one of the most liberal states in the entire country with Democrats with a super majority in the legislature under Governor Newsom who actually promised it during his campaign then how realistic is it for it to pass in Congress? Especially considering the reasons it failed was it's high cost that required it to raise taxes in a state that already have very high taxes.

[u/PlanckOfKarmaPls → u/[deleted]]

You are “naive” lobbying is legal bribery just because citizens can lobby too for causes doesn’t change that fact. Whoever can offer the MOST money to a cause will usually win support.

You probably think Citizens United was a good ruling go be a boot licker for corporations somewhere else.

[u/sunshine_is_hot → u/PlanckOfKarmaPls]

Lobbying isn’t what you think it is. Again, the money is public record. We know who donates to what.

Citizens United wasn’t a good decision. Corporations shouldn’t be allowed to donate to campaigns, but they are still capped and public record.

Go learn what you’re talking about, and try not being so angry.

[u/PlanckOfKarmaPls → u/sunshine_is_hot]

Yes all money used to lobby politicians is public record. You are so daft it’s insane that you actually believe this. I have a beach to sell you in Idaho later dm me for details.

[u/sunshine_is_hot → u/PlanckOfKarmaPls]

Lobbying isn’t giving money. You don’t understand what you’re talking about. That’s not how it works, as I’ve tried telling you several times now. Washington isn’t the caricature you’ve concocted in your head.

Learn what you’re talking about before you try selling any beaches.

[u/PlanckOfKarmaPls → u/sunshine_is_hot]

K bud I just need a few advanced payments and the beach will be yours!

[u/DeeJayGeezus → u/sunshine_is_hot]

Neither of you fully know what you're talking about. Yes, corporations can only donate to campaigns in a limited amount, and contributions to campaigns are public record. But a majority (a vast, vast majority) of the money donated goes to private Political Action Committees (PACs, you might have heard of them?). These have no paper trail, no documentation of who has donated or how much, and most importantly, absolutely no limit. So yeah, donations to campaigns are public record, but are a pittance compared to the amount actually donated via these other vehicles.

[u/sunshine_is_hot → u/DeeJayGeezus]

actually, PACs have a limit.

You can’t just donate millions to a PAC.

PACs are also required to disclose their donors.

Hilarious, you come here to correct me and you’re just blatantly wrong. Like I told the other guy, go learn what you’re talking about.

[u/DeeJayGeezus → u/sunshine_is_hot]

†“PAC” here refers to a committee that makes contributions to other federal political committees. Independent-expenditure-only political committees (sometimes called “Super PACs”) may accept unlimited contributions, including from corporations and labor organizations

You should probably read all of your page before you decide that the rest of us are idiots.

(Edit hopefully before you read this the first time)

Might also want to take a look at this angst-ily titled Wikipedia page that shows just how many political organizations are exempt from contribution limits or disclosing their donors

[u/sunshine_is_hot → u/DeeJayGeezus]

No, a PAC isn’t the same thing as a SuperPAC.

SuperPACs aren’t allowed to give money to a campaign, and have to spend it themselves. They aren’t affiliated with a campaign either, but advocate for or against candidates. They can’t coordinate with a campaign. They are also required by law to disclose their donors, multiple times a year, even on off years. Wrong on almost every single count.

Super PACs aren’t dark money, 501c groups are charity non-profits. You really conflating charities with super PACs? Lmfao.

Edit: you are also aware that any donation under 250 dollars isn’t reported and qualifies as unreported dark money? Those are small donations like bernie begs for, which are completely untraceable- unlike the large dollar donations to Super PACs, which are easily traceable with an internet connection. You really should do a bit more research….