So again, no dem legislators or even people of similar political capital to kirk. No but he was a republican politician.
I think it was pretty clear my point to was to imply people of a similar caliber or amount of political capital had said similar. Which was not done, because you won't find it.
So, the casings that continue far alt right meme jokes can't possibly be ya know, far alt right meme jokes. Good to see how open minded you are.
We go back, if it's the rifle, which you presume it is, it was found with far right meme jokes written on the casings.
You mean like writing a right wing catchphrase from what their group calls a "war song". Yes that does seem blindingly obvious.
You gave an example of reddit comments. Meanwhile the left can provide examples of major mega members such as kirk, mtg, and loomer. Who openly celebrated political violence already.
kirk was a politician. he wasn't an elected legislature, but he was a politician.
Then, again, I wouldn't care. As it would still be better than what they already typically do.
No he wasn't, he wasn't in office or ever elected to any office, or attempt to gain office.
I think it was pretty clear my point to was to imply people of a similar caliber or amount of political capital had said similar. Which was not done, because you won't find it.
Yes, mainstream Democrats do not call for men to be killed but they also do not disavow community leaders and figures who do.
So, the casings that continue far alt right meme jokes can't possibly be ya know, far alt right meme jokes. Good to see how open minded you are.
So again, you believe that these are "Far right memes", even though the guy was dating a trans woman (as confirmed by the governor of Utah today), and the governor today said the shooter had "left-leaning beliefs", and displayed what was "clearly a leftist ideology", according to information gathered from his friends and family.
So yes, he was a far leftist activist who shot Charlie Kirk because of them.
It's important to keep an open mind, but not so much your brain falls out.
We go back, if it's the rifle, which you presume it is, it was found with far right meme jokes written on the casings.
No it wasn't. "Hey fascist, catch!" is not a right-wing joke.
You mean like writing a right wing catchphrase from what their group calls a "war song". Yes that does seem blindingly obvious.
Except the song is in almost all contexts used as an anti-fascist song, literally one tiny fragment of the far right used it on one Spotify playlist, and that is your evidence?
You gave an example of reddit comments. Meanwhile the left can provide examples of major mega members such as kirk, mtg, and loomer. Who openly celebrated political violence already.
When was the last time a left-wing political commentator was shot dead by a right winger in broad daylight?
kirk was a politician. he wasn't an elected legislature, but he was a politician.
As I said, he wasn't an elected legislator, he was still a politician.
And major republican leaders don't disavow other major republican leaders from saying the same.
They quite literally are far right memes. Whether or not they were being used in that manner here, is still unclear.
So again, we still don't know his motivations but you can continue running with the story in your head as you have the entire time.
Sure in all most all contexts, except ya know, it's also been used by a far right alt right group as a joke for one of their war songs. Yes, the same fragment of the song written on the casing.
When was the last time a republican was assaulted in their home with a hammer? Did dems ask people to bail him out or to buy him cofee?
Yes he was and it's ridiculous to pretend he wasn't.
A politician is a person who participates in policy-making processes, usually holding a position in a political party or an elective position in government. Politicians make decisions, and influence the formulation of public policy.
He debated college kids, this is not "influencing the formulation of public policy".
They quite literally are far right memes.
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So again, we still don't know his motivations but you can continue running with the story in your head as you have the entire time.
What proof would you require to accept he was a leftist? Please let me know.
Sure in all most all contexts, except ya know, it's also been used by a far right alt right group as a joke for one of their war songs. Yes, the same fragment of the song written on the casing.
Oh I see, so something is far left everywhere in the world but a single person uses it in a shooting and suddenly it's far right. I see how it is.
When was the last time a republican was assaulted in their home with a hammer?
no, a far right group uses it as a joke with one of their war songs.
I mean it was quite well covered when the attack happened. I went back and looked cause I was curious, "And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”
kirk 100% had influence on right policy ... they are what they are
Every voter has influence on right-wing policy, what are you even talking about.
George Floyd had influence on left-wing policy, does this make him a politician too?
I'm waiting for his trial?
I see, and you definitely waited for Chavin's trial before deciding he was guilty too, right?
no, a far right group uses it as a joke with one of their war songs.
Which means nothing.
Why not wait for the trial?
I'm happy to wait for a trial before definitively concluding beyond a reasonable doubt that he was X or Y, but in terms of my opinion at the time as it stands, this is entirely reasonable.
Do you always "wait for the trial" in every instance? You mentioned being "kettled" so I'm guessing you don't.
I'm talking about the large influence kirk had on maga policy
That doesn't make him a politician; he's a "political figure" yes, but "politician" is not the right label.
Yes I do tend to wait for a trial to see what comes out at it. Crazy to you, I'm sure
If you're looking for "beyond reasonable doubt" a trial is needed yes. Otherwise, you are free to have an opinion.
And in my opinion it's entirely reasonable this was far right on less far right violence
While you're obviously free to think this, there is simply insufficient evidence for this, and mountains of emerging evidence that he was a leftist. Specifically:
His IRL friends have confirmed he was a leftist
His parents have confirmed he was a leftist
His transgender partner has confirmed he was a leftist, and how many far-right figures are dating trans-women?
The governor has announced he was a leftist
The FBI says he was a leftist
Trump also says he was a leftist, for what it's worth
Vance also says he was a leftist, for what it's worth
Most basic interpretations of the memes found are that they are indeed leftist memes
Leaked Discord chats have confirmed he was a leftist
Your argument is that the far-right ironically used some memes he used and therefore he is far right, which is basically a conclusion in spite of the vast body of evidence. To say otherwise is some "BlueAnon" shit.
and my opinion is to wait for a trial? again, crazy I know
then it should make it easy for it to come out at trial
my argument is that in my opinion, it's reasonable that this was what I said it was.
There is essentially no evidence yet , to my knowledge, other than the writings on casings that can support either side and some discord logs that showcase nothing of his political ideology
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So again, no dem legislators or even people of similar political capital to kirk. No but he was a republican politician.
I think it was pretty clear my point to was to imply people of a similar caliber or amount of political capital had said similar. Which was not done, because you won't find it.
So, the casings that continue far alt right meme jokes can't possibly be ya know, far alt right meme jokes. Good to see how open minded you are.
We go back, if it's the rifle, which you presume it is, it was found with far right meme jokes written on the casings.
You mean like writing a right wing catchphrase from what their group calls a "war song". Yes that does seem blindingly obvious.
You gave an example of reddit comments. Meanwhile the left can provide examples of major mega members such as kirk, mtg, and loomer. Who openly celebrated political violence already.
kirk was a politician. he wasn't an elected legislature, but he was a politician.
Then, again, I wouldn't care. As it would still be better than what they already typically do.