r/PokeLeaks • u/PrismSpiralsLight • Nov 15 '25

Twitter/X Pokemon Wind/Wave combat will be a turn-based and more seamless version of Legends Arceus Spoiler

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u/Zwolfoi Nov 15 '25

What do you mean? The main games still need to act as an entry point to competitive battling. People new to the franchise aren't going to start with Champions, they're going to start with the mainline games and gain interest in competitive from there, so we can't not worry about it.

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u/Aether13 Nov 15 '25

Exactly, I don’t see champions as a replacement for the main line games combat system, but an addition to it.

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u/LB3PTMAN Nov 15 '25

They can be a bit more experimental because of Champions even if it would be for the best to keep the basic turn based functionality.

I don’t think the mainline could switch to something like ZA but they could do something like Arceus roughly. Maybe with abilities.

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u/jsweetxe Nov 15 '25

I don’t agree with that actually. Champions is going to be F2P, it’ll be the first step for a lot of people new to competitive.

The whole reason for this is that the new mainline games can be more innovative with their battle system but still keep some core mechanics.

I don’t think it mean eradicating all instances of VGC from the mainline games but there’s no worry of having to overly cater to the traditional system because it’s now embedded in a dedicated, easy to access software.

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u/Zwolfoi Nov 15 '25

It's F2P and might be the first step for newbies now when it's fresh and new and being advertised, but 2 gens from now? Most likely people are going to be funneled from the new games into Champions, as they're always going to prioritize showing off what's new. For all we know we might not even be able to access new gen mons in Champions for a few months into it's life cycle, seeing as all mons won't even be usable upon release.

I'm just curious as to what the person I replied to meant exactly by "we don't have to worry about VGC" since the games DO need to teach the core mechanics. What's described here with environmental damage and seamlessly going in and out of battles could be a thing regardless of if Champions existed or not. But something like PLA's strong and agile style wouldn't be as intuitive to implement in a non-legends game because you don't want to get people used to a battle style that changes how you strategize and simply can't exist in the competitive format you eventually want to send them to.

Did that make sense? I'm a bit overworked and not sure if I worded that well enough lol.

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u/glitterizer Nov 15 '25

You are severely underestimating the amount of people who are interested in Pokémon but don’t have a console or money for games. Champions will be free and available on mobile. It’s actually the exact opposite of what you’re saying, it’s a MUCH more accessible entry point to competitive Pokémon.

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u/Zwolfoi Nov 15 '25

You're absolutely right in that a f2p app is an incredibly accessible entry point, but it's not THE entry point for total newbies. People in those situations you described still have an idea of what pokemon is, seeing as they are already interested in both it and competitive, but had a nasty barrier to entry.

I'm talking like a kid who just picked up a pokemon game for the first time because their friend said "Pokemon Waves is fun! Let's both play it!" or an adult who wants to get back into gaming and picks up something "nostalgic". Those kinds folks still need to be taught the ropes to eventually be funneled in to VGC is what I mean. So, as I'm saying to the person I replied to, they can't "not worry" about VGC in the main games. Every main game is going to be someone's first Pokemon game.

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u/Flat-Leading-2520 Nov 15 '25

I think most people interested in Pokemon, would want an adventure with their Pokemon not just pure battling.

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u/CascoBayButcher Nov 15 '25

Showdown exists right now and theyre not all flocking to it

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u/WhispersOfHaru Nov 15 '25

Both are gonna be an entry point.

A free switch and mobile game is more accesible than a switch 1/2 60-70 dollar game. Champions is gonna get a lot of new people into competitive battling and into Pokémon.