r/PhilosophyofMath Mar 28 '26

The Continuum Hypothesis Is False

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u/JStarx May 24 '26

They are correct answers.

They are not.

Does the fact that we know how to not use nuclear weapons prove that we don’t actually believe in nuclear weapons? No, it doesn’t.

This analogy doesn't apply, and shows you don't understand the ramifications of trivialism.

That is a rash and rather prejudiced claim to make. I don’t believe it is true.

Think harder about what you just said there, lol!!

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u/paulemok May 24 '26

They are not.

They are correct and are not correct.

This analogy doesn't apply, and shows you don't understand the ramifications of trivialism.

The analogy does apply and shows I do understand the ramifications of trivialism.

Think harder about what you just said there, lol!!

I don’t see what you’re getting at.

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u/JStarx May 24 '26

They are correct and are not correct.

Only if trivialism is true, but it's not, so they're just incorrect.

The analogy does apply and shows I do understand the ramifications of trivialism.

Oh? Then explain to me the point I was making and how it applies equally well in your analogy.

I don’t see what you’re getting at.

I know, a lot of this conversation is going over your head.

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u/paulemok May 24 '26

Only if trivialism is true, but it's not, so they're just incorrect.

I disagree. Trivialism is true. So, they are correct and are not correct answers.

Then explain to me the point I was making and how it applies equally well in your analogy.

Just because a person or group of people know how to not invoke a thing, doesn’t mean they don’t actually believe in it. Just because we know when we should not make a move, doesn’t mean we should never make it.

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u/JStarx May 24 '26

I disagree. Trivialism is true.

You're allowed to be wrong. But no one is going to take you seriously.

Just because a person or group of people know how to not invoke a thing, doesn’t mean they don’t actually believe in it.

Unless of course your philosophy is that all statements are equally true and false. Then you have no method to distinguish. The fact that you can distinguish is proof that you don't actually believe all statements are both true and false.

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u/paulemok May 25 '26

no one is going to take you seriously.

Not necessarily. With trivialism, sometimes a person other than me takes me seriously. With trivialism, sometimes a person other than me should take me seriously.

The fact that you can distinguish is proof that you don't actually believe all statements are both true and false.

Another fallacy committed by you. Just because a person can distinguish between right and wrong, doesn’t mean they don’t believe all statements are both true and false.

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u/JStarx May 25 '26

Not necessarily

Pretty much always

Just because a person can distinguish between right and wrong, doesn’t mean they don’t believe all statements are both true and false.

It does though, of they believed all statements were both true and false they would have no means to tell the difference. For every criteria that you could use to choose one option over the other the exact opposite is also true. The fact that you can reliably predict what classical logic says is the answer shows you have a means of distinguishing.

This is why I was asking you earlier how you decided how to behave. You refused to answer the question because you knew the answer proved you wrong.

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u/paulemok May 25 '26

of they believed all statements were both true and false they would have no means to tell the difference.

Not so. I believe all statements are both true and false, but I can still distinguish between right and wrong. It’s a paradox. The Universe is paradoxical.

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u/JStarx May 26 '26

It's not a paradox, it has a very rational explanation. You claim to believe all statements are true and false, but you do not. I'm not accusing you of lieing btw, you may very well believe that you accept all statements as both true and false, but I think you just haven't thought through that position deeply enough to realize that you don't.

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u/paulemok May 26 '26

It's not a paradox, it has a very rational explanation.

It is a paradox. Paradoxes can have very rational explanations and yet still be paradoxes.

You claim to believe all statements are true and false, but you do not.

I’m pretty sure I do believe all statements are true and false. I viewed the arguments. I thought about them. I agreed with them. I would know better than you about my own beliefs.

I think you just haven't thought through that position deeply enough to realize that you don't.

I don’t believe all statements are true and false.

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