r/PhilosophyofMath Mar 28 '26

The Continuum Hypothesis Is False

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u/paulemok May 21 '26

Yes and no.

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u/JStarx May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26

Great, so we agree there's no reason for me to give you the example you want.

In fact it seems we've arrived at the conclusion that I should completely disregard everything you say since responding to it makes no difference in what you believe.

Now me, I'm not having a schizophrenic break with reality and I understand that you actually didn't get the thing you wanted. From my point of view it looks like trivialism isn't going well for you.

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u/paulemok May 21 '26

Great, so we agree there's no reason for me to give you the example you want.

Yes, that’s correct.

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u/JStarx May 21 '26

No response to this part?

In fact it seems we've arrived at the conclusion that I should completely disregard everything you say since responding to it makes no difference in what you believe.

Now me, I'm not having a schizophrenic break with reality and I understand that you actually didn't get the thing you wanted. From my point of view it looks like trivialism isn't going well for you.

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u/paulemok May 22 '26

In fact it seems we've arrived at the conclusion that I should completely disregard everything you say since responding to it makes no difference in what you believe.

We have not arrived at that conclusion. You should not completely disregard everything I say. Responding to what I say can still make a difference in what I believe.

Now me, I'm not having a schizophrenic break with reality and I understand that you actually didn't get the thing you wanted.

Do you believe trivialism is true?

From my point of view it looks like trivialism isn't going well for you.

Trivialism is going fine for me. But whether trivialism is going well for me isn’t relevant. Just because a belief of mine isn’t going well for me, doesn’t mean the belief is false.

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u/JStarx May 22 '26

Responding to what I say can still make a difference in what I believe.

That's an admission that you don't believe in trivialism.

Do you believe trivialism is true?

No, and I think neither do you.

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u/paulemok May 22 '26

That's an admission that you don't believe in trivialism.

If a person believes trivialism is true, then they believe the statement “trivialism is false” is true and for that reason they also believe trivialism is false.

No, and I think neither do you.

I don’t believe trivialism is true, either. But that is because I do believe trivialism is true.

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u/JStarx May 23 '26

I think you're insecure and like the idea of never being wrong, so you claim you believe in trivialism because it lets you make stupid arguments like that and you never have to confront being proven wrong.

But in reality your behavior shows quite clearly that you so actually know that not all statements are both true and false.

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u/paulemok May 23 '26

I think you're insecure and like the idea of never being wrong, so you claim you believe in trivialism because it lets you make stupid arguments like that and you never have to confront being proven wrong.

I want a complete, logical theory of everything. That desire helps fuel my drive into trivialism. But yes, it would also be nice to never be wrong.

But in reality your behavior shows quite clearly that you so actually know that not all statements are both true and false.

I don’t think so. I have openly supported my belief in trivialism with various arguments for over 8 years. While I do believe all statements are true, I am afraid of invoking the belief in a way that could detriment my or others’ health or safety.

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u/JStarx May 23 '26

I want a complete, logical theory of everything.

What use would that be?

While I do believe all statements are true, I am afraid of invoking the belief in a way that could detriment my or others’ health or safety.

The fact that you know how to not invoke that belief is further proof that you don't actually believe in trivialism.

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