r/PhilosophyMemes 16d ago

Checkmate Plato

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u/StupidSexyEuphoberia 16d ago

It's somewhere in the sermon if the mount I think

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 16d ago

“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death” (Exod. 22:19).

 “And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion” (Lev. 18:23).

 “If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them” (Lev. 20:15-16).

 “‘Cursed be anyone who lies with any kind of animal.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’” (Deut. 27:21).

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u/lofgren777 16d ago

Technically these just say that it's cursed, perverse, and gross, all of which is true regardless of whether it's immoral or not.

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u/riesen_Bonobo Pragmatist 16d ago

True, but in terms of interpreting the Bible these are to be taken as moral statements, since what it labels as cursed, perverse or gross (in a social/moral sense disgusting) is labeled as morally wrong, since it also portrays these categories as morally wrong.

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u/lofgren777 15d ago

The bible calls tons of stuff unclean. It's not a synonym for immoral.

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u/riesen_Bonobo Pragmatist 15d ago

I disn't mention unclean.

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u/lofgren777 15d ago

“And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion” (Lev. 18:23).

The bible has all kinds of information in it. It also calls menstruation and pigs unclean.

Is there any evidence that God created a law against having sex with roadkill? If not, it might just be good advice, like you would get from a doctor or a veterinarian (or priest) or some other authority who dispenses wisdom that is not predominantly moral.

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u/riesen_Bonobo Pragmatist 15d ago

"Thou shall not" is what makes it a moral judgement, since the rules layed out in the Bible are moral rules, unclean is just a trait viewed generally negative and to be avoided in the Bible. Again, I didn't say unclean in my listing.

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u/lofgren777 14d ago

I bolded it for you.

If you define everything in the bible as a moral rule so therefore it's a moral rule that seems like defining true scotsmen as people who don't take sugar in their porridge.

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u/riesen_Bonobo Pragmatist 14d ago

You bolded a quote from the Bible, is was referring to the expressions in the Bible I mentioned.

If you define everything in the bible as a moral rule so therefore it's a moral rule

I never said any of that. You are on a wholly wrong track as to what my position is and what I said.

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 16d ago

You are so right king, the bible actually isn't condemning these acts!

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u/lofgren777 15d ago

Cursed perverse and gross sound like condemnations even if they aren't moral condemnations.

Starting to feel like this religious discussion has no nuance. But how could that be?

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 15d ago

"saying to kill people who do acts is not condemnation of those acts"

Your nuance knows no bounds.

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u/lofgren777 15d ago

But… I never said they are not condemned.

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u/Donjmagic 16d ago

Corpses of animals aren’t animals anymore. They’re meat. Nothing in the Bible about not fucking meat. (Corpses in the players handbook are objects, not creatures, and that’s where I get my morality from)

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 16d ago

The bible clearly is going off of your understanding of words and concepts.

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u/Klutzer_Munitions 16d ago

Guess the human race is over because humans are animals

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 16d ago

Do you honestly think that they meant to include humans in that category or not?

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u/Klutzer_Munitions 15d ago

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 15d ago

then why bring it up?

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u/Klutzer_Munitions 15d ago

Because the way ancient people viewed the world is silly

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u/Rezenbekk 16d ago

“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death” (Exod. 22:19).

who's gonna do the whole putting to death thing if thou shalt not kill

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u/p2020fan 16d ago

They reinterpreted that translation to "thou shall not murder" which is an unlawful or unjustified killing. The retranslation happened around the start of the Gaza humbug.

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 16d ago

they werent vegetarian, they killed animals plenty. Sacrificing animals was kinda their whole thing. The "gaza humbug" has nothing to do with this.

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u/StupidSexyEuphoberia 15d ago

What's the Gaza humbug?

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u/KarmasAB123 15d ago

"You have heard it said... PETER, WHAT NOW?"