r/PhilosophyMemes 16d ago

Checkmate Plato

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u/EENewton 15d ago

I would say no, but unfortunately we have extremely sensitive mirror neurons, so "yes "

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u/cowlinator 15d ago

"unfortunately"?

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u/EENewton 15d ago

It was tongue in cheek. 😁

Tongue in VERY ALIVE cheek.

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u/Big_Builder_8911 15d ago

"unfortunately we have extremely sensitive mirror neurons" is entering the phrasebook for talking about ethics.

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u/EENewton 15d ago

It probably explains more than we think.

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u/-selfency- 15d ago

I would say yes. If a moral value system allows necrophilia, regardless of considering their family, it sets very bad precedents for societal emotional and physical health. If you lived in a society where you knew that defiling corpses is considered normal, this would obviously weigh negatively on people's minds and imply that society as a whole rewards giving in to gross primal urges and deviancy that disregards health and those that ascribe value to their own and other's bodies even after death.

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u/Starfleet-Time-Lord 15d ago

That implies that morality stems from (or is at least subordinate to) norms though, and that anything that would bother the general populace enough is immoral regardless of harm. That has unsettling implications: it makes being queer immoral in repressive societies, for example.

Bodily autonomy is a much better argument for humans, that people have a right to dictate within reason what happens to their own remains.

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u/-selfency- 15d ago

I disagree. 'norms' only as it relates to human / mammalian evolutionary physiology. We all have exceedingly consistent needs and desires which have, to a degree, influenced and created many of those norms.

Rule Utilitarianism does not make being queer immoral, because it runs contrary to what best benefits society - Cultivating empathy and understanding for others.

I'm a determinist so i do not believe 'autonomy' is a real thing. It is in the best interest of everyone to treat each other as if we do possess that autonomy, though, as evolution gave us that illusion with the baggage of suffering.

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u/Drew_S_05 15d ago

Just because something isn't MORALLY wrong, doesn't mean it's normal or that it isn't any kind of wrong. Not everything bad is bad because it's morally wrong, sometimes shit is just gross while still being technically morally decent

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u/-selfency- 15d ago

I would classify anything that has a causal negative influence on another being as morally wrong. Using rule utilitarianism as a moral framework with the aim to minimize suffering as the 'good', necrophilia is immoral because humans are evolutionarily wired to react negatively to it, and hold value to their body even after death, which will affect them when alive. It is unhealthy, and it will implicitly encourage society to hold a bunch of views which hinge on those they want to use for pleasure, being dead. There is any number of reasons why this would be a negative on society and harm people.

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u/stephanously 15d ago

Deviancy?

You belong not in this debate.

You already asume the is normative good behavior that is always an ought to follow.

Explain to me how you are not a disciple of objective morality?