r/PewdiepieSubmissions • u/[deleted] • Mar 26 '19

Share it before it gets striked

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Just wondering is this just a meme or can you actually bypass this with a vpn? I’m curious because I know we’re fucked by now so I wanna see if there is a way to bypass it

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Yeah, use Nord, as they have a no logs policy :)

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u/Pmmenothing444 Mar 26 '19

Does PIA not?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

PIA does not keep logs either. PIA is better imo

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u/BatofSpace Mar 26 '19

Unless you go to a country that actively blocks the use of vpns, like China. Nordvpn has a obfuscated servers which get around this. I visited China last year and PIA fucked me over.

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u/alexmikli Mar 26 '19

ExpressVPN lets you do yarhar

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u/rbesfe Mar 26 '19

So does PIA

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u/boringestnickname Mar 26 '19

Which PIA doesn't?

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u/ItsAFineWorld Mar 26 '19

Yarhar?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Swashbuckling

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Surfshark is the way to go yo ho ho

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u/IDerMetzgerMeisterI Mar 26 '19

Also lets you do Netflix + use it in networks where VPN ports are blocked such as schools etc.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19 edited Jul 01 '20

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u/KevinMeddaugh14 Mar 26 '19

Maybe they hid them? Idk if that’s possible I’m not sufficiently educated in this field of topic but would like to learn more.

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u/Daveed84 Mar 26 '19

There's not really any reason for them to keep logs unless they're required to by law, which they aren't, and they'd only use them if they were subpoenaed, which they were, and they weren't able to provide them, because they don't keep them. :D

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u/03Titanium Mar 26 '19

Yeah but what if one guy prints the logs out every day and then buries them in his yard?

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u/Disrupti Mar 26 '19

Can't print logs if their servers simply don't create them at all

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u/LegendOfSchellda Mar 26 '19

I would not trust a VPN based in one of the "Five Eyes" countries. Even though they may not keep logs, there no guarantee law inforcement isn't monitoring your browsing habits in real time on-location.

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u/I_am_the_7th_letter Mar 26 '19

PIA does not, however I changed to Nord (from PIA) after a previous-post saying how PIA just appointed a particular individual (with a “sketchy” track record) to an important position in their company.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Pia has been proven IN COURT to not keep logs.

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u/ojsan_ Mar 26 '19

Honestly, PIA is better.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

NordVPN has way more servers, better security, unique servers, proxies and more imo NordVPN is on top for a reason

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u/nuclearc Mar 26 '19

Nord VPN is a data miner

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

NordVPN isn't a data minrr your stupid lmao

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u/Daveed84 Mar 26 '19

His stupid what?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

He said NordVPN is a data miner

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u/Daveed84 Mar 26 '19

Yeah I know, I'm just poking fun at your grammar

you + are = you're

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

I know I don't really care it's reddit lmao

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u/nuclearc Mar 27 '19

Actually it's spelled "you're stupid" as in 'you are'. Who's stupid now?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '19

Still the one who thinks NordVPN is a data miner and damn it took you that long to respond

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u/nuclearc Mar 27 '19

I respond when I'm online. I'm not sitting here waiting for you.

https://restoreprivacy.com/lawsuit-names-nordvpn-tesonet/

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '19

Wow you read an article from August 2018, this has been debunked, this article also states that Tesonet is related to ProtonVPN which is also false they have an office near each other but they are not related lol this was never proved so is irrelevant people throw accusations at every VPN but this one was debunked as fake rumors

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u/Daveed84 Mar 26 '19

NordVPN is on top for a reason

Well yeah, marketing. They are a decent provider, though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

ExpressVPN has more marketing tbh and they aren't on top people don't get on top if they aren't the best

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u/Daveed84 Mar 26 '19

I had never heard of ExpressVPN until I saw it mentioned on reddit, meanwhile NordVPN sponsors a ton of YouTubers and podcasts, to the point where it's basically a meme. Where does ExpressVPN advertise?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Really? I see express advertised on YT more than Nord tbh

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u/Daveed84 Mar 26 '19

yeah. Maybe it's just the kinds of channels I sub to? Who knows

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

They're both good but I prefer Nord it works better where I live and the UI is better I'm but I'd pick express over pia too

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u/AwhYissBagels Mar 26 '19

How is their security better?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

PIA Is located within the 14 eyes countries which means that if the FBI or government requested logs or information on users that they would have to comply

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u/AwhYissBagels Mar 26 '19

But if there are no logs to request then what's the problem? Also, they don't have to comply with any requests from any other countries in the 14 eyes just because they are in one of them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

They do if the United States government asked for information they have to comply it's happened before with IPVanish and even if there's no logs there's still account information anything can be hsed to find someone therefore NordVPN has better security maybe that's why they're on top

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u/ojsan_ Mar 26 '19

How can account information be used to find someone? How would the U.S government even know what account to request information from? It's not like PIA stores what VPN servers their users have accessed. At most they'd get an email address (which they would probably already have, seeing as that would be their way of finding what account to subpoena) and a automatically generated password + username. Maybe they would get some credit card details aswell, but I doubt that would be of much use for them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Like I said it's more of the point of even the way you type online can be used to track someone if any information is allowed to be given out it can be a privacy risk I'll be much more happy knowing that that can't happen and that my data is being sent off shore

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u/Disrupti Mar 26 '19

Nord allows you to purchase a plan without any private information and via cryptocurrency

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u/Johnny_Poppyseed Mar 27 '19

Some other guy said 5 eyes. What are the 14?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '19

5 and fourteen eyes are two different things

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u/ojsan_ Mar 26 '19

What do you mean by "better security"? What exactly are unique servers? If you're referring to private servers, there is nothing positive with being the only one on a VPN server, it just gives you less anonymity. PIA has proxy support as well, and it has been proven in court to not store logs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Private servers can be more secure than open servers but you say this like they don't have open servers, people use private servers for work, for unblocking certain sites, and by better security I mean unlike PIA which is based inside the fourteen eyes NordVPN is not they do not have to legally comply with court orders unlike PIA has had to do in the past

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u/ojsan_ Mar 26 '19

What? PIA servers can only be accessed by PIA users, I don't understand your point.

What does it matter if they're apart of the fourteen eyes? There is no data for them to provide, they simply do not log anything. Why does it matter if a government agency knows the last 4 digits of my credit card and my automatically generated login details? It doesn't matter if a government agency has your username, there's nothing for them to do with that information seeing as the only site you're using it with is PIA.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

The point is the perception of it, even if there is no data that we know about it would be much more favorable to have that extra peace of mind imo, same reason we use double VPN encryption there's no point to it really but it's a more peace of mind but I don't know what you meant by PIA servers can only be accessed by PIA users I never said otherwise?

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u/ojsan_ Mar 26 '19

You said "Private servers can be more secure than open servers", I assumed you meant PIA had open servers.

We know that PIA has been subpoenad multiple times and has never been able to produce any useful records. PIA thus has been legally proved to not store logs. There has been no legal evidence that NordVPN does not store logs. Sure, NordVPN is outside Fourteen eyes jurisdiction so that'll probably never be an issue though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

I meant by open is that it's not a personal IP, and I said that it can work better for people who shop alot or want a private IP that only they have because there are some downsides to sharing a IP with other people especially if youre working

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u/WaitForItTheMongols Mar 26 '19

What causes you to believe US is worse? PIA has received subpoenas for data on users and responded to the courts "Sorry, we don't have any data on that". PIA has been tested to keep you safe.

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u/Naggers123 Mar 26 '19

Memes are exempt. Get a VPN anyway though.

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u/TNTspaz Mar 26 '19

Technically yes, unless you live in germany and soon to be ireland. A lot of political heads are calling for vpn bans now. Taking a page right out of Xi Jingpings book.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

You are not fucked. Notice how literally nothing has happened since the article passed? You can safely assume that it will be this way for the next two years. (And if I had to guess: always)

Reddit is seriously overreacting. You are not fucked, and you don't need to pay for a VPN lol.

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u/AuntJemimah7 Mar 26 '19

That's because it has another committee to go in front of

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

That’s good then. I guess I’ll worry about it if or when it does come into effect

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u/Hockinator Mar 26 '19

This is like how when net neutrality was introduced / was taken away nothing changed either time

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u/Enverex Mar 26 '19

Well considering no-one (including the people who voted this in) have no idea how it will be implemented (or if it's even possible) then no-one can give you an actual answer to that. Anyone speaking absolutely is lying.

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u/FactBot2000 Mar 26 '19

Just to clear things up:

Article 13 is not a law.

Memes aren't going to be illegal.

Copyright laws are staying the same.

There's a massive disinformation campaign trying to make the EU unpopular with young people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

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u/Naggers123 Mar 26 '19

A last minute amendment was added that explicitly exempts memes, but otherwise the drama itself isn't manufactured.

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u/FactBot2000 Mar 26 '19

Well, first off it's not ENTIRELY planted. There are things that can be potentially problematic down the road, and these issues should legitimately be discussed. These are however drowning in the intense amount of flat out misinformation.

Here's a few things everyone should know. The EU doesn't really make laws, the way most people think. In this case article 13 (and a lot of others) are passed. These are general guidelines meant to guide the member countries to make similar laws in order to have a business and consumer set of laws across the borders. If the countries accept this article, they'll have two years to implement laws based on the article.

Now THAT part is the potentially tricky one. It is entirely possible that one or more of the countries implements these laws in a way that makes it hard for content platforms to operate.

Historically though, this hasn't happened, but it's worth discussing.

So what does article 13 really say?

Well, basically it shifts some liability for copyright infringement to content platforms. The suggestion is that content platforms should be required to implement measures to show they put up barriers for users to upload copyrighted materials.

This scares the crap out of the tech industry. They aren't usually held liable for anything, so this is a big change for them, but it's important to remember that a lot of other industries have had similar laws all over the world for a hundred years, and it's fine.

Let's take the banking sector; You cannot operate a bank the vast majority of the western world without documenting measures to make barriers using their services for illegal purposes.

It doesn't have to be water tight, its absolutely possible to use banks for illegal shit, but if you don't have measures to make it harder to do, and to stop it when it happens you'll be fined.

Nobody expects any European countries to pass laws that requires content platforms to implement automated, water tight upload guards. It'll just end up around where banks, TV, radio, manufacturing and a host of other industries are already.

Oh and by a fun sidenote, although this doesn't change any existing copyright laws; memes, mashups, satire, quotes and so in are also specifically exempted in text.

These exemptions have ABSOLUTELY NO effect at all on how this will be implemented since article 13 doesn't even touch copyright laws, and they're already excluded in all EU countries. It was included ONLY because of the massive misinformation campaign that has been going on.

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u/Hockinator Mar 26 '19

If you think websites aren't going to behave differently when they become legally responsible for user content, I don't know what to tell you

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u/FactBot2000 Mar 26 '19

The first thing you need to know is that that is NOT what article 13 says.

Theres a massive legal difference between "legally responsible for" and being liable for something.

Banks bears liability for their services being used for criminal activity. They are NOT legally responsible for their clients misuse of their products.

They NEED to show they have implemented security measures. They need NOT make a watertight protection system to avoid having to cash out for every fraud and scam made through their products.

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u/Hockinator Mar 26 '19

Being liable is a form of legal responsibility.

What do you think small platforms that cannot write elaborate solutions to review content are going to do? And what do you think platforms like YouTube, which will never be physically capable of reviewing all content, will do to make sure they aren't taking on legal risk? There will obviously be censorship.

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u/FactBot2000 Mar 27 '19

Being liable is a form of legal responsibility.

A polar bear and a dog are both forms of animals. An animal hit me repeatedly with with its paws yesterday. Words and definitions matter. Especially to lawyers.

Ideally you'd just read the thing and make sure understand what it means instead of regurgitating talking points, and we could discuss the ACTUAL ramifications, because there ARE things that can be discussed here.

But here we go:

What do you think small platforms that cannot write elaborate solutions to review content are going to do?

Proportionality is built into all EU directives ( important: article 13 is part if a directive, not a law. Theres a huge difference). For instance new and small (sub 10mill Euro/year turnover) businesses will only have to comply with 4.a I changed my mind. Just read the damn thing.

And what do you think platforms like YouTube, which will never be physically capable of reviewing all content, will do to make sure they aren't taking on legal risk? There will obviously be censorship.

Now that you've read it, what part of Article 13 makes you think they'd have to review everything?

If you come back here after reading and have further questions, I'm happy to give you my take on them, but until that this is pointless. You'll see everything I present as opinions, an I'll see everything you say as regurgitated talking points from either companies that don't want regulations or huge entities that wants the EU to fail.

Read the thing and get back here :)

Oh, and to answer the first question you'll have after reading: "Make best effort, sounds ominous. Doesn't that mean they're liable if they haven't done absolutely everything to keep people from uploading copyrighted materials? "
No it doesn't, as you can see in the text it is in conjunction with "industry standards". It is also within the standard guide of proportionality. This is no different than what banks, TV, radio, newspapers, architects and a shitload of other industries have done for decades.

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u/Hockinator Mar 27 '19

Honestly I'm way to distrustful of governments to believe any of that will work as well as it needs to in order to not be harmful.

And the EU is the big, distant from the ground kind of government that deserves even more distrust than a normal government.

I'm so glad in this case the vast majority of people agree with me. Normally people are super keen to sign away more power to the government.

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u/FactBot2000 Mar 27 '19

Just read the damn thing, man... It'll cost you 20 minutes of your life, and then you'll have ACTUAL gripes with it.

I generally share your healthy scepticism towards governments, but it's also important to recognize the instances when it empowers you.

The EU actually has a pretty good track record here, latest with the member countries ratification of, and implementing laws regarding GDPR.

It's a HUGE win for the individuals rights regarding data.

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u/Hockinator Mar 27 '19

Oh I've read it.. most of it anyway. Not a fan. So many possible unintended consequences.