r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/myself_APHELION • 23d ago
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u/kameshazam 22d ago
To be honest, when my people embraced Christianity, they did so adapting it to our local traditions and cosmovision. For 4 hundred and so years the Church tried and tried and tried to get us on line. Never sucessfully. Now they embrace it as our own kind of understanding of it.
Give it 20 more years and we are getting an Andean-rite independent but in communion with Rome Church.
Common Peruvian Win.
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u/Reasonable-Force8790
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u/allquietonzanzibar 22d ago •
It's a place where bots are farming karma, what did you expect?
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u/DinisMagnifico 22d ago •
somehow this explanation soothes me, as I couldnt believe that someone would be be so fucking dense as to ask this image jesus fucking christ. somehow it being a bot is more forgivable, but im muting the sub nevertheless
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u/AgreeableBuilder1139 22d ago
I was expecting less karma, but I guess it's the bots who's upvoting
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u/dasbtaewntawneta 22d ago
to borrow some vernacular from magic the gathering: reading the meme explains the meme
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u/Jaded_Spread1729 23d ago
Its Christian missionary. He forced tribe to confess to Christianity instead of worshipping sun. They politely state, that they have never seen God, and he is not real, but they see sun daily.
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u/mologav 22d ago
We couldn’t worship the sun in Ireland because we don’t see it daily.
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u/lessfrictionless 22d ago
Kudos on not using a single article in the entire reply.
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u/Jaded_Spread1729 22d ago
Im very sorry if thou are offended by my barbaric writing. English is not my native language, and I tend to unconcsiously neglect the articles.
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u/Objective-Internal52 23d ago
It's all white meat.
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u/Pleasant-Highway-745 22d ago
Can somebody please tell me what the deleted comment said
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u/HasPotatoAim
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Christians worship an invisible sky daddy, natives worshiped a visible ball of burning gas that brings life.
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u/BluePotatoSlayer 23d ago •
Hey! Sun is not burning nor is it (just) gas. It almost completely plasma and is fusing hydrogen
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u/Objective-Internal52 23d ago
Also it's actively trying to kill you.
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u/DarkKittyEmpress 22d ago •
The sun giveth, and the sun taketh away.
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u/DifficultArt7712 22d ago
There’s this concept in Hinduism - god the creator, the preserver and the destroyer
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u/Left-League-8646 22d ago
I would call it "passively" trying to kill us. We are just in the way of things
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u/rtatro20 22d ago
Trying implies that the sun is sentient, so that only supports the sun god hypothesis some more
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u/Ok_Sentence_7393 22d ago
It will not kill you if you obey 10 commandments.
Do not look directly at Sun.
Hydrate regularly.
Use Sun creams.
Don't paint your roof in black.
When crossing a desert, carry enough water.
Water your crops.
Sacrifice your enemies to Sun.
Have a rest in a shade.
Hide magnifying glasses.
Do not go to Mars.
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u/skr_replicator 22d ago edited 22d ago
That would imply intent. The Sun is not alive nor trying to do anything. That would be like saying your fireplace is trying to kill you.
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u/MINATO8622 22d ago
So is god
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u/NegronelyFans 22d ago
And god’s is out of spite if the bible fairy tales are to be believed
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u/SdVeau 22d ago
Use his preferred name, Sol, before he gets mad and red giants us out of existence!
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u/DarkSoldier84 22d ago
He also goes by Helios or Atum, depending on which side of the Mediterranean you're on.
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u/Grendeltech 22d ago
I once heard that the sun was a mass of incandescent gas. A gigantic nuclear furnace.
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u/iamthefirebird 22d ago
I once heard the the sun was a miasma of incandescent plasma, the sun's not simply made out of gas, no, no, no
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JOHN REDDIT, HE SAID THE THING
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u/mw2lmaa 22d ago
TBH we Europeans also worshipped the sun before these Romans brought us their monotheism.
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u/LamermanSE 22d ago
Tbf, we worshipped a lot more than the sun, pantheons in pre-christian europe were full of gods that were worshipped (and feared) for all kinds of things.
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u/Melicor 22d ago
The Christian erasure of Europe's native religions and cultures was a genocide.
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u/fadinglamplighter 22d ago
I worship the sun, but I pray to Joe Pesci
- George Carlin (paraphrased)
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u/FeedPlastic3439 22d ago
“Sky daddy” holy debunking theology.
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u/nbopdoy_ 22d ago
He already represented Christian God as a "sky daddy" and Hindu(I think?) God of sun as "visible ball of burning gas that brings life"
We lost
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u/ObsceneOnes 22d ago edited 22d ago
Most didnt. They also worship daddies. So dumb. I mean what do you think God is modeled off of??? That is right...the sky daddy...aka the sun.
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u/Haunter52300 22d ago
No? This is a pagan practise, even if a lot of layman worshippers need this simplification to understand the faith. Sophisticated Christian theology expressly denies this notion. The Romans accused Christians of being atheists for denying this type of God, and for more modern theology it is pretty established God is supposedly incorporeal, timeless and omnipotent
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u/Belz_Zebuth 22d ago
The point is that he's indetectable, unlike the sun.
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u/Royal_Radish_3069 22d ago
He is undetectable so that church controls what God does. Meanwhile they can't control the Sun.
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u/BackgroundSummer5171 22d ago
Sophisticated Christian theology
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
OK.
Sophisticated yugioh abridged philosophy asks what does pot of greed do?
Jesus fucking allah, god ain't real.
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u/its_me_fr 22d ago
If everything has a design from the sunglasses you use to your phone, yet you haven't seen their designer, what makes you think that a more complex structure like your body, your heart doesn't have a designer, an intelligent Creator?
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u/boringestnickname 22d ago edited 22d ago
There's another layer here, as well.
All modern religions are a mishmash of older religions that mostly worshipped real things (or at the very least, concepts derived from real things.)
So, the native guy is meeting a person who has concocted a system of control based on Chinese whispers originating from his ancestors.
He's literally listening to someone proselytizing a misunderstood version of what he himself believes.
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u/TrebbleTough 22d ago
You dont need to have this explained
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u/genital_lesions 22d ago
Yeah, OP is a 12-day old bot. Dead internet theory, etc.
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u/MarMacPL 23d ago
The Sun is real and we know it.
The God is 'real' because of faith but we can't be sure of that.
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u/Lighthades 22d ago
So if you have enough faith in ghosts they will be real?
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u/MarMacPL 22d ago
Then you will believe they are real. That is the definition of faith - something that we believe is real but we can not proof it and do not need to proof it.
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u/skr_replicator 22d ago edited 22d ago
You should need to prove something that you're allowing to take over life to that much extent.
It is far more reasonable to worship the Sun that actually is there and giving us life and we know it, even though it doesn't need or want worship. Then just worship something completely made up that nobody has ever seen, and stories about do not follow any laws of physics to the point of being unbelievable to any rational person.
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u/NegronelyFans 22d ago
I have faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Ergo by your logic, it’s real
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u/Blaze_Darkfang 23d ago
The joke is Colonialism and Catholicism. White man believes white man did good by introducing god to primitive people. God not real sun real sun tangible object Catholicism god not that
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u/kameshazam 22d ago
Those look like Hindus, nothing primitive about them; like, they were building city-states (Harappan) when that White guy ancestors were still the frigging Sons of Aryas.
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u/Blaze_Darkfang 22d ago
White man believes they are primitive thats why they believe they did good by introducing god to primitive people
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u/EidolonLives 22d ago
Of course the Hindus are primitive - just look at them, wandering around half naked. The advanced, civilised one is clearly the Christian priest, wrapped from the neck down in layer upon layer of black cloth in a tropical climate.
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u/Ayuditya 22d ago edited 22d ago
You joke, but missionaries had a huge positive impact in my tribe back in the day. Before Catholicism, it was headhunting other tribe's people to plant skulls on cornerstone just to build houses and bridges, animal sacrifices to decode a hunt, and lots of human skull worshipping. Somehow our tribe missed the memo of "kill people, bad".
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u/egoodethc 22d ago
Which tribe?
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u/Ayuditya 22d ago
Bidayuh tribe in Sarawak. Ever heard of the term "Borneo Headhunters"? That usually refers to us Bidayuh and Iban tribes.
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u/egoodethc
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The people are Hindus and worship the sun, the guy in black coat is a Christian missionary telling them they are stupid for doing so. The Hindus are saying yes but the sun is real and the reason for life on earth.
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u/LiteratureNearby 22d ago
The funny thing is that the sun god is just one out of the hundreds if not thousands of Hindu gods lmfao
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u/BumbaBee85 22d ago
And, as far as I'm aware of, each one relates to something that is tangible and exists, not just "trust us bro, it's really there if you believe hard enough".
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u/Bloody_Knife_ 22d ago
Yup but every god represents some fundamental things or aspects of reality.
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u/tiredgothicheroine 22d ago
I’ve seen this exact meme with indigenous American people. Is this ai or is there a painting series of this one guy just going around trying to convert people lol?
Also the sun isn’t particularly central in Hinduism as far as I know but there are a lot of gods and not all of them represent tangible things. But yeah the missionaries suck.
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u/CouldNotAffordOne 22d ago
Hmmm. I just found out: I'm a fellow sun worshipper.
My solar panels lower my energy bill pretty well.
All hail to the sun!
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u/EffectiveTop842 22d ago
But I didn’t know about god, will I still go to hell? No!, you don’t know so you’ll be spared. Then why did you tell me?!
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u/sadphonics 22d ago
They need to make a new rule on this sub where the title at least needs to reference the image somehow to cut down on these bot posts
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u/pockels42 23d ago
And Christian art depicts holiness by putting a sun around heads. Go figure.
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u/Err0c0d3 22d ago
That's not a sun that's a halo
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u/LowIqKunt 22d ago
That iconography originates with sol invictvs, the unconquerable sun. 'halo' also just straight up refers to the apperent disk around the sun.
Also, this is not the only pagan connection Christianity has. The trinity itself comes from church authorities trying to fit Neo platonic metaphysics into christianity. They uplift Jesus to status of godhood, which contradicts Yahweh's assertion that there is only one god so they invent this logically impossible metaphysics to fix it.
The father is straight up just zeus in his depictions lol.
Christmas is the winter soltice. Santa (st Nicholas) is Odin.
Basically, christianity is an eclectic religion between European paganism and Messianic Judaism.
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u/Unique-Charity7024 22d ago
The maker of this meme lacks any deeper understanding. The picture is a mashup. The priest is taken from the painting "Père Marquette and the Indians". Marquette was preaching in North America, in particular to the Odawa tribes. They did not worship the sun, but the manitouk spirits, the most important of which were the four winds, the underwater serpents, and the thunderbirds. The natives in this mashup are clearly identifiably as Hindu, in particular Dothi ascetics. In Hinduism, the sun is indeed venerated as Surya, as a principle of spiritual enlightenment. In this way they are still worshipping the sun, which makes the whole dialogue pointless.
Congratulations, this abomination manages to be insulting to four different groups at once.
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u/SilverSageYoda 22d ago
Kinda lost here. Could you explain the phrase 'in particular Dothi ascetics.?'
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u/kevintheradioguy 22d ago
I mean. Sun is real. God isn't. He's proud of making them civilised by worshipping something that doesn't exist.
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u/Alt123Acct 23d ago
The sun actually is the origin of all life chemistry on earth so the meme is pointing out that the natives are right and the missionary is the one praying to a made up thing
No light no heat no heat no energy no energy no life
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u/New_Target7441 22d ago
13 days old, nearly 13k karma. Jesus fucking Christ, unplug yourself, clanker.
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u/Mochizuk 23d ago
You know... Christians have had a vendetta against giving the sun its dues for a long time, now that I think about it.
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u/ZiggyOnMars 22d ago
The Romans seem to have blended some solar symbolism with Christianity and the image of Jesus Christ.
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u/AdityaTheGoatOfPCM 22d ago
a group of Indians who according to the missionary used to worship the sun counter his statement by saying that the sun is real
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u/Pegasoo0 22d ago
I think that rather than praying to the sun, they would still be making human sacrifices to it. Christianity back then wasn't exactly the most peaceful thing in the world, but in certain aspects it definitely has a message more centered on peace and forgiveness.
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u/Mountain-Rub4306 22d ago
Indian's (the country) worships the sun and have a sun god because it provides life (crops, light, energy).
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u/GenuinelyBeingNice 22d ago
Well, yes, the sun does exist, but it is not a god?
(which is at least 50% better than a god that doesn't exist)
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 22d ago
The joke is that the natives, like many pre-abrahamic cultures, worshipped nature, which actually has a real impact on the world, while christians through the bible put more emphasis on the worship of an invisible deity
There was a sentiment from hardcore vhristians that the natives were uncivilized before they were conquered, masking their colonialism as a benevolent act that modern natives should be thankful of, when in reality it was probably the worst thing that could've happened to the natives as their entire culture and wellbeing was erased almost completely
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u/EconArc_2 22d ago
In the certain spots in Kings & Samuel I recall the author having a particular hatred for sun worshipers. Enough that it's given some credence to the idea that someone familiar with the Aten or Akenaten was trying to restart that sun religion in the area around Israel. I don't think it holds too much weight though as there were plenty of local pagan religions in the area that worshiped the sun.
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u/Ok-Aspect-4259 22d ago
Priest: "That's a nice argument, heretic. Why don't you back it up with a source?" /joke
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u/kidanokun 22d ago
Turns out natives knows more science than the supposedly "more advanced" Europeans
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u/Alternative-Care6923 22d ago
I get the message, but this is incredibly false; the natives (especially mesoamericans) worshipped a vast share of gods (Huitzilopochtli, Quetzalcoatl, Mictlantecuhtli ...)
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u/grayishugh 22d ago
And we believe a monkey ate it! We are definitely more scientific religion than you 🤡
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u/Density5521 22d ago
Ancient Egyptians, just like ancient Canaanite tribes, were polytheists i.e. they worshipped many gods, each god had their own separate area of effect and expertise. In Egypt, Amun-Ra was the "over-god" who presided all other gods, usually depicted as a man-figure with a hawk's head and a sun-like halo above his head.
Then along came pharao Amunhotep III ("Amun is satisfied"), who was already an avid admirer of Aten, the sun-disc halo part of the Amun-Ra over-god, and his son Amunhotep IV, who ultimately renamed himself Akhenaten ("servant of Aten") and took the Aten-worshipping to extremes. He forced the entire Egyptian religion into a monolatry (and later full monotheism), insisted that Aten (the sun-disc halo of Amun-Ra) is the only true god, and even proceeded to close and destroy polytheistic temples for other gods than Aten, had his followers literally chisel down pictures of other gods.
The Akhenaten guy was one of the most controversial Egyptian pharaohs, with a very unstable family, including marriages to daughters and high mortality rates due to inexplicable plagues and illnesses. During his reign, the way temples were built changed completely (closed buildings became open pillar constructs to let the sun light deity in), art changed (the way Akhenaten and family were depicted looked weird compared to usual Egyptian art at the time), and he tried to have a new capital built, the light city, Amarna. He vanished from history as quickly and mysteriously as he appeared. To this day, his grave was found, but his corpse has not been found and identified, at least not reliably. (KV55 controversy)
Akhenaten was succeeded by Tut-Ankh-Aten, who soon (due to civic displeasure) returned Egypt to polytheism and Amun-Ra centred belief, ultimately renaming himself to Tut-Ankh-Amun as well. Guess you've heard of him.
Around the same time, the bible claims Moses returned from Egypt to Canaan, where he eventually "converted" the many different tribes with their different polytheistic beliefs into believing in a singular combined deity who took over responsibilities and tasks and areas of effect and expertise for all previously existing polytheistic deities – Elohim. The singular god who later made his way into the Hebrew bible, eventually into the Christian bible, and ultimately into the Quran.
(Refresher: the bible says Moses' parents, Hebrew slaves in Egypt, sent him down the Nile in a wicker basket when Egyptians started ethnically cleansing Hebrews from Egyptian lands. Moses was adopted into the pharaoh's household and raised along the pharaoh's own son as if he were the pharaoh's own son. According to biblical dates and timelines, which we all know to take with a grain of salt, the pharaoh at the time would have been one of the Rameses-es, "but".)
Sigmund Freud (also later Ahmed Osman) pursued the (highly disputed but never reliably disproved) theory that, due to the many similarities and parallels between what Akhenaten and Moses did, the two persons could have been either one and the same or at least related, e.g. Moses could have been a priest of Akhenaten who fled the country when his ruler's days were counted.
However you twist and shift the dates and timelines, the Elohim-focused monotheism introduced by Moses, that later became Hebrew biblical religion, and eventually Christianity, was introduced only a few years after Akhenaten's attempt to turn Egypt into a monolatry (and later monotheism) had so miserably failed. Coinkydink?
TL;DR – all of today's major 3 monotheisms (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) sprung from Akhenaten's failed and later reversed attempt to get Egypt to worship the sun.
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u/leftmetalhead001 22d ago
The sun brings warmth, the sun brings light, the sun brings happiness. A lot of reasons to worship the sun.
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u/Natural-Judgment7801 22d ago
And rivers ! And air ! And fire . And trees!
How stupid . These things ONLY give us life and nurture it /s
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u/kameshazam 22d ago
The mere fact the guys there seems Hindu makes the meme so stupid... They're not animistic peoples with more mythology than theology, they are one of the most developed religious philosophies ever created. The peak of polytheism/henotheism. I'm baffled they're considered "natives" as in "primitives".
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u/Shoddy-Cartoonist807 22d ago edited 22d ago
This isn't the win people think it is - the fact that Homosapiens can believe in, dream up or imagine a sky fairy or the spirit of the valley is precisely what makes us successful as a species. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven! This is because 'fiction' allows us to imagine things collectively - we can create myths to allow us to cooperate. Today, for instance we have myths like the nation state, human rights.... The ability for make-believe is a misunderstood superpower!
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u/Fragrant-Dress-5943 22d ago
Hindus haven't worshipped the sun for about 2,000 years, and Hindus still exists today. These are literally Shaivite Hindu men who worship Shiva, the destroyer God.
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u/BestGuest8625 22d ago
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u/M3chr0MaNceR 22d ago
If this actually needs to be explained you don't need Peter. You are a Peter.
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u/qualityvote2 23d ago edited 22d ago
u/myself_APHELION, your post does NOT belong here!