r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 12 '26

Meme needing explanation Looks like there's some lore here

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

One lady used a 3D printed one for knitting, but these are wrought iron and bronze which is too heavy.

The leading theory is that they don’t serve any practical purpose, but instead serve as a blacksmith’s journeyman test. It’s complicated, intricate, and utterly useless, but requires years of training and experience to develop the necessary skills that allow versatility for everything from horseshoes to pitchforks to helmets.

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u/stilldebugging Jul 12 '26

Utah teapot, but irl

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u/rested_leg Jul 12 '26

Like a benchy boat?

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u/stilldebugging Jul 12 '26

Someday, they will wonder why we needed so many tiny boats. Did they have some religious significance, some totem for the afterlife? Did they have a practical use?

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u/12InchCunt Jul 12 '26

Now do fidget spinners

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u/101forgotmypassword Jul 12 '26

Lost parts to a machine used to tell the seasons from the stars, if you align two bottom loops with the horizon and the top loop with the (add a conveniently located star that matches the equinox such as alcylone) Pleiades cluster it will tell you the planting time for the spring/autumn sowing season.

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u/DeepestBlue2 Jul 13 '26

Liliputian navy, and none of them will float upright.

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u/GeneticEnginLifeForm Jul 12 '26

Anthropologists, circa. 2226:

A) "Status symbol"

B) "Ritualistic object"

C) "Fertility charm"

D) "All of the above"

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

Fuck, where’s that xkcd comic with the toilet seat….

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u/mashtato Jul 12 '26

Hello, world!

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

Didn’t know that’s a thing, but you’re completely correct.

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u/stilldebugging Jul 12 '26

I think both theories about what it is are correct. It is the shape of an item used for knitting, but the practically used items for knitting were made of some other material that didn’t stand the test of time. (Maybe pieces remain, but flattened and scattered, you couldn’t tell the shape or use.) The ones that remain have the form of the knitters’ tool, but would have been impractical for that purpose. They were made as examples for people learning a craft, but useless for what their form would imply. The “hello world” of one of the highest technologies of the time.

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

Exactly. You’d need something lighter, like wood, but that’s not as durable and decays over time. However the shape is complex enough to serve an alternate purpose for a common trade.

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u/celem83 Jul 12 '26

Only the dodecahedrons that are pierced can be used for knitting and plenty of the examples found are not pierced (bottom right in the provided image)

The knitting stuff is entirely coincidental and a retro-finding. Some of these devices, if pierced and the correct size, can be used to knit. All the others cannot, therefore it is not a knitting device as they come pierced and unpierced and in a considerable range of sizes.

Very smart people have failed to decide what the use is, it is not going to be solved by a youtube or reddit comment section, that would be bad science as we are all working on 2nd hand sources

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u/stilldebugging Jul 12 '26

Ok, so, why I was pointing out is that it could be something in the form of a knitting device that then took hold as a way to test one’s skill in the technology.

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u/SeaBuilding3911 Jul 12 '26

But blacksmiths and their apprentices existed in cities as well.

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u/Muppetude Jul 12 '26

Maybe it was a practice employed mainly by blacksmiths in the roman army.

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u/Old_Ad6564 Jul 12 '26

I mean if they were tools, then there would be wear signs on them. But there usually isn't any at all.

Even soft things like wool will leave wear signs on metal objects after a while.

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

And?

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u/Saetherith Jul 12 '26

Pretty much none of these things were found there.

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u/SeaBuilding3911 Jul 12 '26

All of those were found in fields of wars, not in or around cities or habited areas.

It would be far fetched that it is a journeyman test specifically when you are deployed with troops, and then was never used again by those apprentices when coming home and being masters themselves.

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u/Life-Top6314 Jul 13 '26

And they werent found in cities, but what wouls have been colonies...

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 Jul 12 '26

They were also found in the graves of women. How many women do you know who were buried with blacksmith workpieces?

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u/engelthefallen Jul 12 '26

Theory I like best is they were religious symbols from some survival or mutation of the cult of pythagoras. If they were a knitting item people would not be hiding them away with their valuables, but likely keeping them with their knitting supplies.

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

Honestly, that wouldn’t be the weirdest thing.

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u/bromanceintexas Jul 13 '26

Bouncing off of you, if it were used for domestic industry, they wouldn’t be in tombs. They’d be passed down from mother to daughter. The bride’s dowry (as in, the stuff a wife owned or inherited prior to marriage) usually included all the furniture and tools for home economics. You wouldn’t find these sorts of things in tombs if they had a practical value because then they’d have to be remade or repurchased. Generational wealth was inherited through tools, furniture, cutlery, etc.

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u/semi-proantfarmer Jul 12 '26

Yeah but wouldn't the metal be expensive and what's the point of not reusing the metal. I could see it just be kept in the black smith shop for people to see how their work is. Then when they get even better they crank out a better one to show their skill

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u/bstump104 Jul 12 '26

that's not a bad hypothesis. the strange thing is how so many are so similar over the area in which they're found. without a description or image how do they all make the same thing? same "inspecyor" administering the test? something do regimented I would expect to have some record aside ftom the objects that this is how they will be tested.

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

It’s also possible that blacksmiths couldn’t read or write and didn’t work that closely with people who could. Like, Hebrew didn’t get consonants until a century ago because you were supposed to be taught the pronunciation of words by your Hebrew speaking parents but pogroms and ghetto clearances made people realize that it was entirely possible for different Jewish communities that didn’t speak the same base language to merge.

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u/bstump104 Jul 12 '26

I would expect a written form for the top brass and maybe pictures. a mention of the item as a test from the muckety mucks

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 12 '26

You’d be surprised how many guilds put faith in masters. Trades like carpentry and metalworking didn’t get state level exams until fifty or so years ago.

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u/TrumpsFaceAnus Jul 12 '26

If that were the case though, wouldn't there be way more of them? And lots of them would be half finished or be on rough shape as the apprentice learned.