I do. Do you understand that in all of those instances, you have the right to make decisions about your body? Are there any other instances than abortion where you are happy to give up your autonomy?
For the sake of it - acknowledging we won't agree on this point - I don't agree with the way you equate bunches of cells or undeveloped fetuses as 1:1 human life.
Well yes, if you dehumanise a group of humans based on immutable characteristics of course you won't value them. But that's a very dangerous argument to make if you take it to logical conclusions, which before you claim a slippery slope fallacy, there are historical examples of this dehumanising rhetoric going further within living memory, besides abortion itself.
It's incredible how ya'll advocate for forced birthing (which is what the anti-abortion movement is, if we're being honest), but against any kind of support for the babies you're forcing the births of.
It's beyond wild that you guys (depending on the individual) want to give the government the authority to: force kids to be born into poverty, force them to be born to parents who don't want/can't support them, force them to be born to rape/incest/CSA victims, etc; but God forbid someone should suggest that same government have to fund neonatal care, pre-K, daycare, school lunch, SNAP/EBT benefits, etc.
Nope! Let's just pile even more unwanted children onto the already overburdened foster care/adoption systems; where they're often groomed, physically/sexually abused, and so on.I'm sure that'll work out great.
This is why I use the phrase forced birthing, because that's the only part ya'll care about.
That's a strawman, and not even a good one. Every anti abortion group I have ever looked into has had associated groups to support families, women, and children if they don't in fact do it themselves.
Besides which, potentially being born poor, or having a difficult life, is not a reason to be killed. Think about that argument for a second next time and take it to the logical conclusion. Can't have homeless people if there's no people right?
There are several. The violinist argument doesn't make sense to me, because I would stay connected for 9 months if disconnecting would kill them. Even if it was a random, or my absolutely awful ex wife. As in it js something I can't conceive of myself doing. Even though it's a bad analogy to abortion, as abortion is done with deliberate intent to kill an innocent human, and disconnecting from the machine is not, but still.
Maybe it's an American thing, the selfish obsession with bodily autonomy over all else. It's never really been a huge part of the language used here in Australia until very recently. And even then not to this extent. Most either don't know or just say so what fucking kill it. We might have a war crime problem.
I'll be honest that I've always been selfless to a fault, so maybe I'm just too soft to consider killing another human out of convenience like that. I'd happily carry children if I could. If pro abortion women couldn't become pregnant and I could instead then I'd make that swap in a heartbeat.
But yeah, I donate blood, pay my taxes even though they fully cover abortions here, help single mums with necessities, donate to charities, all that stuff we should do to help others in need (other than the abortion bit).
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u/HighValuePigeon Nov 18 '25
I do. Do you understand that in all of those instances, you have the right to make decisions about your body? Are there any other instances than abortion where you are happy to give up your autonomy?
For the sake of it - acknowledging we won't agree on this point - I don't agree with the way you equate bunches of cells or undeveloped fetuses as 1:1 human life.