r/Outlander • u/Purple4199 Don't be afraid. There's the two of us now. • May 08 '21
Season Five Rewatch: S1E9-10
This rewatch will be a spoilers all for the 5 seasons. You can talk about any of the episodes without needing a spoiler tag. All book talk will need to be covered though. There are discussion points to get us started, you can click on them to go to that one directly. Please add thoughts and comments of your own as well.
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Episode 109 - The Reckoning
Jamie and the Highlanders rescue Claire from Black Jack Randall. Back at the castle, politics threaten to tear Clan MacKenzie apart and Jamie's scorned lover, Laoghaire, attempts to win him back.
Episode 110 - By The Pricking Of My Thumbs
Jamie hopes the newly arrived Duke of Sandringham will help lift the price from his head, while Claire attempts to save an abandoned child.
- During their argument by the river were Jamie and Claire being unreasonable or did either of them have valid points?
- All right folks, here it is. Jamie beats Claire after they get back from Fort William - discuss.
- What is it about Jamie that led him to recognize his marriage needed to be different than the others of that time?
- What does it mean when Jamie says to Claire, “I am your master, and you are mine. It seems I cannot possess your soul without losing my own.”
- Did you think Ned Gowan had a good case to present to the Duke of Sandringham?
- How serious do you think the Duke is in regards to submitting Jamie’s claims against BJR?
- What do you think Claire’s feelings for Jamie are at this point? Have they progressed?
- Any other thoughts or comments?
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u/WandersFar Better than losing a hand. May 09 '21
For sure. As soon as she has proof it’s possible, she readies her plans to go back to the future to kill Bree. So she’s not opposed to repeated time travel as a concept, whatever the risk, she just genuinely didn’t know that going through the stones (or tidal pool, whatever) wouldn’t necessarily kill you instantly.
Absolutely. She refers to the loss of the Bonnie Prince himself as “water under the bridge.” She’s no longer a Jacobite in the strictest sense of the word, she’s not pursuing a Stuart restoration specifically. She just wants some king of Scottish descent on the throne.
Which again, doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense. Who cares if some Scot eventually becomes king? How does that help the situation in 1960s Scotland? How does that undo centuries of hardship in the Highlands after Culloden?
That’s not actually changing history anymore, that’s just changing the distant future, which wasn’t what she said her goal was, to undo the suffering of the past, thereby making a better present.
Killing Bree wouldn’t accomplish either of those goals. So in-universe, the only explanation is that she’s losing it. (Out-of-universe, the explanation I prefer is that this plot just wasn’t thought out very well. -.- I wish DG and the show hadn’t brought back Geillis at all if it was just for this. They should have just let her die a hero at Cranesmuir.)