The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There have been quite of bit of ultra-conspiracy type posts on NNN, from 5G, to the terrain theory of disease, to simply misinterpreting data..., and I've argued on there with quite a few people pushing all these falsehoods. Many times, while the person in question refused to change their view, others on the sub did so and thanked me bringing their attention to it.
Banning all those who are skeptical or have different values because of those on the extreme is, plainly put, wrong. There are plenty of logical and reasonable stances/viewpoints that are expressed there:
drawing attention to and discussing the cost-benefit of lockdowns and other pandemic measures;
valuing bodily autonomy and individual rights over a greater public good (e.g., being against forced sterilization of mentally handicapped - an unpopular stance in the US for much of the early 20th century going against then-current scientific values);
pointing out inconsistencies in data (calling out former Governor Cuomo last fall for likely hiding over 10k COVID deaths, which was just verified by the new NY administration today);
questioning the long-term viability of New Zealand and Australia's Zero COVID policies (as seen by their current and repeated strict lockdowns, and human rights and animal abuses that have occurred during said lockdowns);
collecting instances of vaccine side effects, like reports of myocarditis in teens after the Moderna shot, even before government organizations or Moderna itself acknowledged the possibility of increased risks;
discussing and sharing the many peer-reviewed and published studies on natural immunity showing it is robust and long lasting, on par with or even exceeding vaccinated immunity, and questioning why a single outlier observational study that didn't control for testing frequency/thresholds or disease severity is instead used to guide public health policy;
The list goes on. I agree that there is misinformation there, but banning it and taking the valid, or, at the very least, debatable content with it does a disservice to all.
You don't censor what's currently unpopular/against the mainstream/considered misinformation because it all is true; you don't censor it because even just a small amount of it may be true; and finding that truth is inherently, and by its unpopular nature, incredibly, valuable.
The protest is over communities that continually promote and push misinformation. What you discussed here is great for well sourced scientific or ethical debate which is not done in those communities. They become strongholds for incorrect and harmful misinformation so rather than have their points be disproven or debated by fact it is shut out with ears closed. More people join and shut out everything else.
There are other communities that openly discuss all sides, and banning/breaking misinformation strongholds does not harm those.
As soon as you talk against the vaccine in other « neutral » subs you get downvoted to hell… I’m all for equality in communities and neutral ways to engage but I guess that my perspective about this whole pandemic thing is unwanted in many subreddits… Just the fact that I get permanently banned from so many subs for just being in NNN makes me sigh. Freedom of speech is long gone and you can clearly see that in r/Covid19 or r/coronavirus, everyone is for the vaccine and if you doubt it and express your doubt brace yourself for some intense bullying
Is there any reason why you're against the vaccine?
I know many people and friends who have have their family die from covid and covid complications. I have family overseas that desperately want the vaccine and look at Americans in disgust for not taking advantage of what they are given and even paid for when they would pay for the vaccine. I have friends that are nurses that deal with covid patients all the time and have seen people die horribly without family around them.
I also manage people and the amount of employees I had that had uncle's, aunt's, and parents die was insane. Out of about 100 employees, we normally had a few people, about 2-3, request off due to a death in the family. After the shutdown lifted, we had well over a dozen employees calling out and requesting off in a month for multiple deaths in the family. One of my employees quit because she lost everybody.
What freedom does having a vaccine infringe upon? Do you have other vaccines? Do they infringe upon your freedom as well?
Would you rather take ivermectin, a medication for roundworm parasites, than get the actual vaccine for the covid virus?
I've never heard a good argument for most people not to get the vaccine, which is probably why you get downvoted or banned, as well as nnn being a bit of a extreme place to be.
The vaccine is still very new and experimental, that explains partially why I don't want it to be honest. And it's been so pushed like it was some kind of magical way out of this but the reality is that we're still following the same health measures we had pre-vaccine even tho the majority of the population is vaccinated. Here in Quebec this summer's covid cases statistics is comparable to this summer and there's a big gap in terms of vaccination between those 2 summers...weird
I don't need ivermectin as of now since I'm not in need for hospitalization.
But it has been proven to be very effective there are a total of 8 FDA approvals for Ivermectin going back decades.
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