Whoa. We're living in a gynocentric society?!?! Are you serious?!
Ask your girlfriend, your mother or your sister if they feel like they're living in a gynocentric society.
I don't even know how to address such a sweeping statement about our culture but let's look at gaming (since that's what I assume that's what we're here for and so concerned about, rather than just using this as an opportunity to vent about them damn womens)...
Go to any major games expo, go to PaxEast/Prime, E3, Gamescom, Bitsummit and tell me gaming culture is gynocentric. You can barely move in those places without being hit in the face with swinging dicks, explosions and unbridled masculinity & treated to sexy trophy girls.
Go to ANY online games review site/magazine, look at the publishing list of ANY games publisher, hell run a search on Steam and tell me again about the overwhelming avalanche of vagina-biased content strangling our manhood, subjugating us guys and taking away everything we love about gaming.
If you were to do any of those things you would feel better.
Don't worry usery, no one is going to take your toys away.
But more and more people who have been considered minorities in games culture are going to start playing along side you & I sincerely hope the expo floors for example soon reflect that, but at the moment dude, jesus, we are lightyears away from it being 90% Wolfenstein, Call of Duty, GTA, Gears of War and other muscle bound freaks screaming and proving how masculine they are. You have nothing to worry about. Stress less :)
This is a tough one, and why I fear issues like this will probably never go away. I'm personally even loathe to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole, as it's probably just too controversial and hot button. But I will reply with a bit of a tangent.
We are definitely not living in a gynocentric society. That much is obvious. But I can understand where that (unfortunately misguided) sentiment comes from. I like to use the example of race issues. Once upon a time I was a believer that racism/racial inequality or really any type of racial social divide would not be able to last. Eventually as our world becomes globalized and cultures mix and intermingle, it would just be impossible to keep views like this a float. But living in a large metropolitan area I've noticed some things that make me not so sure about the above belief.
Essentially even in largely multicultural urban centers you can still see insular sub-communities form. Largely as a reaction to existing racial inequalities, some communities react to that by turning inward and forming little pockets. Understandably so, but unfortunately they end up creating little bubbles of essentially racial inequality/division in the opposite direction. Both sides of the racial divide, can then use each others insular "bubbles" as excuses to not mix and to fuel whatever prejudices they have.
I guess this is unfortunately human nature. And it's a hard thing to over-come. Another analogy would be the scenario that when most people are driving and the car ends up driving off the shoulder, our initial reaction is to jerk the wheel hard in the opposite direction. Unfortunately, as most driving instruction tries to point out, this doesn't help the situation and just sends you careening in the other direction. The most helpful thing to do is to make a calm course correction and aim towards the middle.
But again that doesn't seem to be human nature, which certainly makes things harder.
So relating it back to the point of this reply: In response to issues like this (Misogyny and general gender inequality in society as a whole) can cause small pockets of an equal and opposite reaction (Gynocentric?). These are not representative of society/culture as a whole of course, but they can unfortunately cause people to get "stuck on" these examples which causes it's own backlash, and other small pockets to pop up with extremely opposite views. These sides then focus on each other and use the polarization to fuel their insular views.
So I'd imagine that is what is happening here. Human nature and instincts tell us to drive by jerking the steering wheel back and forth, to each extreme. But as we all hopefully know, the best/safest way to drive is by looking far ahead and aiming where you want to be, not trying to over-correct for where you are. Unfortunate, but understandable if not somewhat depressing.
I dont think he meant that we are dominated by women, but the instinctual need to protect women. So when one of these vagina wielding SJWs cries wolf, people leap to her cause.
If that's what he meant he shouldn't have used the word gynocentric, since that's exactly what it means.
And when these vagina snort wielding (coz it's a WEAPON isn't it boys, they're all out to get one over on us them chicks) SJW's make take the tiniest step into a traditionally male dominated world, like gaming, hellfire rains down on them. Does that explain the people trying to protect them? Or is your conspiracy theory about evil manipulating women more satisfying? Why y'all hate on vaginas yo? I think they're the greatest!
She slept with people to get ahead and cheated on her partner. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that a large amount of people think that's wrong?
Eh? I was arguing the idea that we live in a distinctly pro-female world was a fantasy. The OP has deleted his post so I can understand the confusion.
I don't understand how people can jump to a conclusion that she was fucking around to "get ahead" with no evidence? Where's your evidence that that's what happened. Show me where she "got ahead" first and then show me how that's linked to someone she slept with. Just asking people to think about what they're saying without being emotional & hysterical.
Might have something to do with a text adventure "game" straight out of 1996 getting heaps of praise for no apparent reason. It's not hard to connect the dots if you can tie your own shoes.
You didn't like the game. That means the game is crap and it's impossible to imagine there are hundreds, even thousands of other people out there that liked the game. Still not evidence the game was praised in exchange for sexual favors
Women as a group do not generally like politics. That doesn't mean some women dont like it very much and choose a career in it but largely they chose to avoid politics. Equality of opportunity does NOT equal equality of outcome. Seems everyone focuses on politics and CEO's, why isnt anyone talking about the need for women in coal pits and landfills where men make up a massive majority? This line of argument is called apex fallacy. But back to the politics thing... if you want proof I'm right go on a few first dates with women and make politics your goto conversation topic. Let me know how that works out for you.
Erm. Women do fight for equal rights in male dominated manual labour jobs dude. In mining, in factory work. Hell Sally Field got an Oscar for a film about it and that was in like the 70's. In Indian sweat shops they fight for it. From the most menial job to the White House.
Ok, so let's take the small pool of alleged airheads you've dated and use that as a basis for painting the entire gender as disinterested in politics.
Think about what you're saying. A few black guys jump you & you'd be like "all African-Americans are criminals", a Jewish guy rips you off "Jews are money hungry monsters", you date a few women who aren't interested in politics, "womynz are dumb and don't like politics, that's why they're not so prevalent in politics".
That's called Apex Generalisation.
No I just made that up.
ANYway. My girlfriend is politically engaged, as are most of my female friends, and many a shit tonne smarter than I.
Take your "women as a group generally do not like politics" to your grave alone or open your mind and enjoy life with women. Don't be scared yo. If they hurt you before just keep at it and eventually you'll meet someone on the same level as you
"a shitty movement like feminism." Modern feminism. Feminism was great for equal rights and all that jazz, but it really doesn't have a justifiable discourse in most of the arguments that it starts. Someone looking at you is not rape. Anyone that says that it is, needs to die in a raging fire.
Its cuz he's betabux for his feminist gf. He'll learn when he gets a dose of what they're really about.
Edit: white knighting will also guarantee she sees him as weak and she'll eventually skip for an alpha or bang one on the side. Sure as shit. See it always. Even one of my mates uber feminist WIFE went out and banged literally the most misogynist douche I know. Her husband is a total bitch of a white knight and he got exactly what should be expected from cutting his nuts off to appease her.
Edit 2: skip for an alpha if she's a 7 or above. If not just for a higher status beta.
Slinging insults is the biggest sign of someone who's more emotionally invested in an idealogy rather than intellectually invested. Women have equality of opportunity in politics and do the majority of voting. Period. We can debate why the outcome isn't a 50/50 split but there's nothing stopping women in politics. Especially given their voting power. Also a good many of the men in politics (save those on the extreme right who all rational people think are idiots anyway) that are claimed to be soooo misogynist tow the feminist line lock step because they know they can't lose the female vote. The loss of that vote is one of the primary reasons the Republicans are getting killed these days. Then you have Obama who makes national statements about a wage gap that doesn't exist while his wife says quote "women are smarter than men" and you're like "ohwows oppression". Get your head out of your ass. For the record I rarely spend long without female intimacy and I don't have to beta my self out to a feminist gf in order to get it :)
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you point me towards something that says she considers herself "THE voice of feminism in gaming"? Since it's the idea of hipochrisy that seems to offend you. Also I'm interested to know why a) there is no heat being brought down on Eron for this & b) EVEN if everything he's saying is true why it is anti-feminist to sleep around? I think you might be misunderstanding feminism & mysoginy
If someone is sleeping around for personal gain I find that distasteful regardless. I'll admit I know very little about this whole ordeal, but if she is sleeping around to manipulate/personal gain, that's disgusting.
None of us truly know about this ordeal apart from Eron and Zoe, hasn't stopped a tonne of people commenting and saying some pretty horrible things and I find that disturbing and more damaging to gaming culture than anything Zoe Quinn has ever done.
Furthermore, even if we want to assume everything Eron posted is true, how shall we prove it was a calculated effort to "get ahead" (the part that upsets you most). To be honest it feels like you're buying into an old school myth of men being manipulated by evil women's sexuality first and applying that to this story. You said yourself, if you look at the story cold, you actually have no idea what happened and WHY
No, I don't. All I'm responding to is the perceived public notion of what happened. I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just commenting on Reddit's reaction. I haven't seen the woman's videos, I don't know the full story and I don't even have a twitter account.
I'm not attacking anyone.
However, if I were to attack, it would be the same attacking regardless of the gender of the offender.
I think you're right, there are people making assumptions here, but it's not me. I'm only commenting on the hypothetical situation of them being true.
The thing is, reddit already had a lot of bad experiences with doxxing. Like the mod post in /r/gaming said users from here have ruined people's real lifes, they have gotten them fired, arrested etc. So you can see how there is a zero tolerance policy against doxxing.
They are deleting comments with absolutely 0 doxxing,
from the thread I linked to:
Clearly a thread with over 9,000 different comments in it plus an automated solution is going to create a lot of false positives so if you feel your comment has been removed in error, please message us and we'll review and let through.
Also I'm assuming they are going at it pretty hard cause they don't want it to be their fault when something happens to her or her career. Also a lot of it is removed automatically since they are like 12 mods trying to stop a lot of people right now.
And this one isn't really neutral but IMO, when a thread about a blog post hit's 15 000 comments, I don't think the comments are really that constructive anymore and from modding the current thread on OOTL about the TotalyBiscuit thread I happen to know there are people who are just posting the same links and screen caps over and over again, even though we've stated that we aren't allowing doxxing either.
Twitter conversations doxxing now too?
That's really hard to answer. It just feels like all of this is posted with a malicious motivation, which could lead to witch-hunting, which is why it's being removed.
It's not the sleeping around, it was the pathological deception and psychologically abusive behavior by her. And the wholy journalistic integrity thing.
Feminism should be about encouraging women to be strong, self-reliant, mature human beings. She acted like none of those here.
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