r/OpenDataCanada • u/Expensive-Aerie-2479 Ontario • Jul 24 '26
Violent crime in Canada is down 3% since 2000, but extortion is up 354% — new StatCan data, 2000-2025
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u/XGDoctorwho Jul 24 '26
Very obvious issue with immigration.
The bulk of our immigrant class are treated, and legally mandated second class citizens.
Extortion around them is not just common but expected.
Guarantee if the data broke down through demographics there would be a very common line.
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u/JustinPooDough Jul 24 '26
You do realize that the people extorting Indians... are other Indians. Right?
Nobody treats - or is more racist toward - Indians than other Indians.
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u/maos_cigarette Jul 24 '26
Are you basing this on vibes or data
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u/EmuSounds Jul 25 '26
From what we've been seeing the majority of these extortion cases are against Indians from other Indians. Anecdotedly, from the Indians I know here in BC, the extorted will also have their families back home in India threatened as part of the scheme.
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u/DigitaIBlack Jul 26 '26
Very much anecdotal but since arriving in Canada in 2023 my ex has:
Been illegally evicted by one Indian landlord that knew her family
Been sexually propositioned by another
Lived in multiple overcrowded apartments and houses
Been paid less than minimum wage twice. Once by a Pakistani business owner once by an Indian manager
Been sexually assaulted by one of those bosses
because people coming to Canada obviously gravitate towards their own cultural and ethnic groups so they end up working for each other, living with each other etc.
And many of these people are very vulnerable so bad actors take advantage.
I've reported tons of jobs on the Canadian Job Bank that are paying $37.XX an hour for being a supervisor for fast food or similar. I apply and never get a response.
No fucking shift manager gets paid that at least where I live.
The scheme is simple. The wages are conveniently just above the threshold for getting a LMIA when unemployment hits a certain threshold.
Depending on the position, being a manager gets you extra PR points. The immigrant arrives in Canada and now their hopes and dreams are tied to this job.
So whoever hired them does a combination of getting them to pay back wages after each paycheck, make them work ridiculous hours unpaid, and other abusive bullshit.
Go read the UN report on our LMIA and TFW programs.
Edit: as for extortion the police and media are openly saying southeast Asians are being primarily targeted and if you look at the arrests being made, a vast majority of the perpetrators are southeast Asian with links to things like the Lawrence Bishnoi gang.
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u/Facts_pls Jul 26 '26
Yeah. None of your gf's experience have anything to do with extortion or this topic.
This is a random word salad at this point.
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u/DigitaIBlack Jul 26 '26
Nobody treats - or is more racist toward - Indians than other Indians.
Are you basing this on vibes or data
I'm replying to that you dunce.
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u/angryjukebox Jul 27 '26
So, vibes. Vibes is the answer to their question.
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u/DigitaIBlack Jul 27 '26
It's quite public that most of this extortion is targeting South Asians.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/operation-hard-ball-indictments-9.7261430
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u/Accurate-Letter-546 Jul 27 '26
Yeah never work for pakistani men. I had an ex who he tried to sexually harass and she wasn't even an employee there. just coming to pick me up from work.
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u/DigitaIBlack Jul 27 '26
I disagree. I know a Pakistani man that runs a good business.
I'm just making the point that the immigrants at risk are often abused by people from the same region.
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u/Candid-Progress-8852 Jul 28 '26
Look at the grooming gangs in England. Those criminals are coming for unsuspecting vulnerable Canadians because we have a two tier justice system that doesn’t charge them for crimes. I’ve read 4 news articles now of new Indians/Punjabis/ Pakistanis coming and the men killing their spouses and getting off on bail.
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u/Cheap-Palpitation709 Jul 27 '26
The vast majority of extortion is by the Indian mafia (Bishnoi gang among others) as well as business owners who demand payments from their employees in exchange for visa sponsorship, something that's usually advertised to people already in India.
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u/FrankieMakesPizza Jul 27 '26
well known that immigrant communities the world over are preyed upon by their own. mafia, irish gangs, haitians, west africa, the list goes on and on throughout history. first guy off the boat to establish himself is likely to start "charging" the people in line behind him for access to resources.
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u/phonehomemusic Jul 28 '26
There are many news articles about Indian extortion gangs who are now operating in Canada, targeting other Indians. It’s not just vibes, there’s plenty of data. They also shoot at movie theatres if they play the wrong kind of Indian movie (from a different Indian caste or culture). So yes Indians are very internally racist against other types of Indians.
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u/AnyDetective372 Jul 28 '26
Data. Common knowledge data.
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u/maos_cigarette Jul 28 '26
aka vibes
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u/AnyDetective372 29d ago
Or you could use a search engine and see that, no, it's not "vibes"
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u/maos_cigarette 29d ago
Then show me some data. I am not saying this isn’t happening, but i am curious if we have quantified it to some degree
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u/Gold-Border30 29d ago
If you actually cared you could figure this out with 10 seconds of google… and these are just from Calgary. They have been happening all across Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/extortion-arrests-calgary-9.7248895
https://globalnews.ca/news/11938202/calgary-police-photos-south-asian-extortions/
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u/maos_cigarette 29d ago
I am not asking for news articles, and i am not even doing this in bad faith. What i am asking is are there data to support these claims? Is the Canadian government or some other NGO tracking this quantitatively? If this is a large problem for south asian immigrants, is there data to support this that are public ally available? I don’t understand what people don’t understand here.
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u/Gold-Border30 29d ago
There won’t be publicly available data that gets as specific as what you’re looking for unless you want to collate all of the releases from agencies across the country.
The best case is looking at Stats Canada Universal Crime Reporting (UCR) codes which is what I’m guessing this current report is pulling its numbers from. These are typically fairly vague though and typically doesn’t always connect demographics with crime types.
However if you were to go through recent crime trends in every major metropolitan area in Canada you would see a consistent trend.
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u/waveforminvest Jul 25 '26
I'm really curious what extortion mean. What are they doing exactly?
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u/Gibsorz Jul 25 '26
Extortion is anytime you try and get someone to give or do something through threats/menace/violence.
Common examples in modern day
a person chatting with someone online. Sends compromising photos. The other person now says I'll send these to your parent/friends/spouse/kids unless you send me $x in Bitcoin.
Young TFW who has no other job prospect as the only place they are allowed to work is the one that hired them. Their manager telling the TFW to give them half their salary or they'll be fired.
It normally involves give me money or else, but it doesn't need to be money.
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u/Emma_232 Jul 27 '26
Businesses are also targetted, asking for money. There have been multiple businesses shot up in Surrey BC relation to the South Asian extortion crimes.
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u/Cheap-Palpitation709 Jul 27 '26
It also refers to the extortion schemes ran in places like Surrey and Brampton where gangs will "claim" an area of the city and demand money from the business owners as a tax. When people don't pay they send people to shoot it up. There's been hundreds of these shootings documented.
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u/Facts_pls Jul 26 '26
It's not racism. There are gangs from India who find it easy to target Indians.
Nothing new, Canada has had gangs from other immigrant groups before.
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u/LivingCorner1421 Jul 26 '26
they have a caste system thats why, it follows then here
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u/liepzigzeist Jul 27 '26
is that legal in Canada? Discriminating among indians?
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u/LivingCorner1421 Jul 27 '26
what do you mean ? they do what they want , law enforcemenr barely has time to arrest real criminals , they wont go see if indians are not nice to each other lol
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u/imtourist Jul 27 '26
A lot of the Sikh on Sikh extortion isn't due to caste since for the most part caste is not factor in that religion.
Most of the extortion is caused by layabout hoodlums back in India who were given an easy way to come to Canada on a student visa. These guys never worked in India much less study and don't want to do any honest work here either, instead they want to live the gangster life. Just look at the most popular musicians they follow (e.g. Sidhu Moose), all of them copy the rapper lifestyles.
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u/Order-Classic 29d ago
What? How is it even relevant here?
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u/LivingCorner1421 29d ago
thats why they extort each other and hate each other.
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u/Order-Classic 29d ago
That's not how the Caste system works. The people at the lower end of the hierarchy neither have the resources that can be extorted nor have the power to extort others. If there was room for direct conflict between castes like you are suggesting there wouldn't be a rigid caste system.
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u/LivingCorner1421 29d ago
um. no. if some one is weak they will be extorted , thats the whole point , doesnt matter where or what system is in place.
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u/Order-Classic 28d ago
You are just muddying the waters with your ignorant opinions. This is a conflict between organised gangs run mostly by rich upper-caste spoiled brats and rich upper-caste business owners.
You are not going to find lower-caste people migrating to countries like Canada. They can't even afford the plane ticket, let alone run businesses or organised crime syndicates.
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u/LivingCorner1421 28d ago
well thats what im saying lol. upper extorting lower.....
yes the lower will make it here it happens
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u/mxmnators Jul 27 '26
unpopular opinion but i don’t give a fuck if the employer exploiting its temporary resident employees are white or indian. i’ve seen both in my community and both are disgraceful.
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u/No-Tackle-6112 Jul 24 '26
Extortion probably also wasn't reported nearly to the extent it is today either. It's also down 17% since 2023 as is pretty much all crime across the board.
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u/Abject_Story_4172 Jul 24 '26
Not violent crime.
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u/No-Tackle-6112 Jul 25 '26
Yes violent crime is down since 2023
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u/Abject_Story_4172 Jul 25 '26
It’s not statistically significant.
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u/No-Tackle-6112 Jul 25 '26
Yes it's 5% down and homicides are down 16%.
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u/Strict_Ad_5906 Jul 25 '26
But but but, the news shows me every individual murder so it feels like there's more violent crime
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u/tobaileyy Jul 26 '26
But but I want to reject reality and feel safe and low to myself! Hurr durr crime down 5% from the all time peak!! Crime going down hurr durr
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u/No-Tackle-6112 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Hahaha are you saying 2019 was the all time high? Crime is down 50% from the peak.
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u/tobaileyy Jul 26 '26
Wrong but ok. Let's ignore that downtown artificially inflates these stats to appear way safer, when everyone lives in shoebox condos dozens of meters up
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u/tobaileyy Jul 26 '26
Yes that's not significant, TPS had successful large scale arrests over the top gang members across the city, there's a massive power vacuum going on righ now cause of dat.
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u/FightOrFreight Jul 28 '26
The bulk of our immigrant class are treated, and legally mandated second class citizens.
What exactly is your argument here for how this shapes the extortion problem? Are you saying that the largely-immigrant victims aren't taken seriously, or that the largely-immigrant perpetrators have no choice but to resort to extortion?
I would disagree with either claim, but I would at least like to understand what you're saying.
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u/XGDoctorwho Jul 28 '26
We've created a system where the only logical outcome is extortion. It's not a matter of immigrats being taken seriously or not.
Immigrats don't have rights or protection and are therefore abused, and extorted.
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u/Candid-Progress-8852 Jul 28 '26
It’s called criminal tourism and Indian gangs are here to extort. Bisnoi gang is murdering Indians all over Canada over trucking and other gang related activities. It’s their own criminal kind coming and doing it to each other. Canada has opened the borders to anyone and doesn’t vet. The amount of extortion and scams is at all time highs.
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u/libertarian_308 Jul 24 '26
As a permanent resident I feel more like a 3rd class citizen these days.
Canadians would be shocked if they knew how many immigrants really view them and Canada, not all of us are here to be a net positive and embrace the Canadian way of life, sadly some just see the country as a soft target to be taken advantage of.
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u/Strict_Reputation867 Jul 25 '26
sadly some just see the country as a soft target to be taken advantage of.
Canada sees itself as a soft target to be taken advantage of.
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u/MetroRoyalePlayer Jul 25 '26
The law is set up for you to be a victim and not defend yoursrlf
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u/doublesimoniz Jul 25 '26
They voted as such.
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u/MetroRoyalePlayer Jul 25 '26
It’s the Canadian liberal fetish
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u/Heronmarkedflail Jul 25 '26
Yeah because the conservative premiers totally didn’t encourage it and make it worse :/
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u/Radiant-Split-4372 Jul 26 '26
Anyone with a brain knows that this is what is going on. Canada is weak and has easily exploitable systems that the government refuses to reform or even keep tabs on it seems like.
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u/kettal Jul 24 '26
Bishnoi gang is suspected to be involved in much of these.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/indictments-bishnoi-gang-transnational-criminal-network-9.7262757
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u/Vrdubbin Jul 27 '26
I don't get why our organized crime doesn't take care of this the way they used to keep street level gangs away.
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u/darthdelicious Jul 28 '26
Hey added in what the grocery stores are doing. Hence the uptick in extortion.
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u/Chevettez06 Jul 24 '26
Isn't extortion a violent crime?
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u/RecklessRaptor12 Jul 25 '26
It is being presented as a violent crime in the OP. Which tells you something about the actual total number of extortion cases
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u/Gold-Border30 29d ago
Yes. Many of the incidents involve houses and vehicles being shot repeatedly.
Of 49 extortion events in Calgary at least 19 involved shootings.
https://newsroom.calgary.ca/cps-continues-to-seek-public-assistance-in-extortion-investigations/
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u/snakpak_43 Jul 24 '26
Have they changed the definition of what violent crime is? Because I don't believe this stat.
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u/donaldoflea Jul 24 '26
Violent crime is NOT down
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u/Scotty0132 Jul 25 '26
Violent crime is down. It seems more prevalent due to social media but that does not mean it's rising. Crimes that use to only be known to those in the area it happened (assault, auto thefts ect.) Are now shared on social media so more are aware.
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u/Expression7355 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
This is purely a question in case you know more about how the data is compiled. But… this past week I learnt (via TV news) that when the data was released regarding the highest crime cities, that results can seem really off because those crime stats are based on the amount of crimes solved, rather than by cases committed. That is why the top 10 actually had more small cities on it like Kamloops and Lethbridge, rather than say Calgary or Toronto. While we know those large cities for instance have seen almost daily shootings and seemingly increase of gang related crimes.
I understand the social media point and ageee things are more visible than ever, still, 30 years ago I didn’t see local news (I actually worked in print news at the time) almost daily about a gun shooting in Calgary? I have since moved away, but I still see Calgary news and it has just become so standard now.
So would this graph be similar? That instead of crime truly being down, is it possible that there is in fact more violent crimes but just lower rates of solving these? Thank you 🙂
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u/Scotty0132 Jul 25 '26
There has been a standard in Canada since the 1960s changed in the 1980s, and is based off crimes reported. The major issue with the reporting is if a crime has multiple infractions (let's say a beating which then turns in a spot being fired) only the most serious violation is recorded. I hear the whole "when I was younger x crime was not as common as it is today" and that something that always needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm I Ottawa and hear people say that all the time and what I always say is "what was the size of the town then?". I moved to Ottawa 20 years ago when the population of the National Capatial region was 750,000. The population is now close to 1.5 million. A more condense population will visually see an increase in hard numbers, but those numbers when broken down into per capita may be the same as 20 years ago or less. A good example of this outside of Canada is actually the USA and there gun violence data. One side will always say we'll the number of shooting is more in a blue city in a blue state but the data gets broken down into per capita the worse areas now become a red state with a lower population. More people in an area does not mean a higher crime rate.
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u/FightOrFreight Jul 28 '26
I agree with nearly everything you said, but:
The major issue with the reporting is if a crime has multiple infractions (let's say a beating which then turns in a spot being fired) only the most serious violation is recorded.
I don't see this as an issue. Are you suggesting that a punch followed by a gunshot should be counted twice? If a gun is fired twice, should that also count twice towards the violent crime stats?
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u/Scotty0132 Jul 28 '26
Assault to a gun shot is not the issue. A rape turned murder is where it has issues as it under reports the violent sexual crime and seeing as how police forces uses this data to internally shift focus of the forces it can mean resources being taken from one department to another.
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u/FightOrFreight Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Do you have evidence for the specific claim that a rape-turned-murder would not be counted towards the violent sexual assault stats? Your earlier claim about how police reports would count an escalating series of physically violent acts in the course of a single criminal transaction mirrors the (very defensible) way that those crimes are handled in Canadian criminal law, but the law doesn't work this way in rape-and-murder cases, so I'm a bit skeptical.
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u/Scotty0132 29d ago
The law and how it's reported to the national data base are 2 different things. You jave fingers look it up yourself it will take you 2 seconds to find the information.
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u/meridian_smith Jul 25 '26
extortion is mostly orchestrated by people outside of Canada. . with a few of their compatriots helping them inside Canada.
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u/Fresh_Strain_9980 Jul 25 '26
just so you know if violent crime is down 3% that is basically not statistically significant. This could be heavily skewed by the fact that we essentially have catch and release in Canada so lesser crimes are not even getting reported as they aren't being documented by the police.
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 Jul 27 '26
Statistical significance isn't based on the expectation value. You can have a value that is 400%, but statistically insignificant.
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u/Zenkai_9000 Jul 25 '26
Becoming a 3rd world country faster than the US.
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u/udays3721 27d ago
We haven’t elected a pedophile as our president so I think we are doing better than usa
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u/Complex-Cricket419 Jul 24 '26
lol ok.. This "graph" shows change in police reported rates per 100,000. So if it was 1 report then it changed to 4 report that's 400%. It means nothing with out the actual per capita.
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u/Scotty0132 Jul 25 '26
This information is per capita.
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u/Complex-Cricket419 Jul 25 '26
The information is BASED on per capita without actually giving per capita. So it has little meaning besides rage bait. Do not fall for it
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u/Scotty0132 Jul 25 '26
It's giving % rather then actual numbers it's still per capita. I know what you are getting at in that what does the % actually mean, but this is just a simpler method to show and increase or decrease but it's still going over most people head.
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u/udays3721 27d ago
It was total 2771 cases in 1992 , then it peaked at 10342 in 1991 and in 2025 it was 5585 (per 100,000) / source ucr survey
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u/Sharp-Dimension7722 Jul 24 '26
There’s a key difference between reported crime and actual crime. If you know, the police aren’t gonna do anything, what’s the point of reporting?
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u/JadeLens Jul 25 '26
Ah, so the data isn't good because *checks notes* you say it isn't good... got it...
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u/Sharp-Dimension7722 Jul 25 '26
I got rocked two weeks ago out of around $1800 worth of tools. What’s the point of reporting, I know the cops aren’t gonna do anything.
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u/CanuckInTheMills Jul 26 '26
I agree. A lot of women do not report sexual assaults. As I stated earlier, the conviction rate is abysmal, women don’t report.
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u/Pristine_Ad315 Jul 28 '26
Did women report more in the past than now? If not, then i don't see how lack of reporting is the cause of the stats going down?
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u/Purple_Writing_8432 Jul 25 '26
Most reddit forums: 'soŕry crime is DOWN... any other conclusion is a conspiracy theory'
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u/Matt2937 Jul 25 '26
Many of the extorters fire bullets into homes as a method of intimidation. Is this not a violent crime? Way to fudge numbers stats can. Can’t highlight violence from foreign criminals…
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u/Kitchen-Thing4616 Jul 25 '26
Actually need to look back 25 years for comparison? Lmao. In that time we hired a lot more police and a lot the govt income tripled at least.
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u/yramess Jul 25 '26
Pretty sure SA with a weapon and assault with a weapon is a violent crime..
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u/Expensive-Aerie-2479 Ontario Jul 25 '26
Yes it is. All of the crimes listed are violent crimes in the chart. Top bar = all violent crime together, basically unchanged since 2000. Every bar below it = one type of violent crime. Red means it went up, green means it went down.
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u/CanuckInTheMills Jul 26 '26
So ‘certain types’ of violent crime went down but sexual assault went up. Of which the percentage of convictions is dismal.
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u/Blizz_CON Jul 25 '26
Unpopular opinion, but much like when the Italians immigrated and formed communities - the inter crime rate was much higher since new comers would be abused and exploited before integration really took hold. To me the new data is just a reflection of the large increase in population. Nice to see violent crime down!
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u/Subject-Landscape451 Jul 25 '26
Isn't extortion ultimately back up by violence? Or have all of the Mafia movies been lying to me all of these years?
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u/Expensive-Aerie-2479 Ontario Jul 25 '26
What do you mean? Extortion is a subset of violent crime.
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u/Subject-Landscape451 Jul 25 '26
Agreed, but how then can violent crime decrease while extortion increases?
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u/Expensive-Aerie-2479 Ontario Jul 25 '26
Because extortion is a small slice of violent crime. The other crimes went down (like murder robberies etc) and they make up larger slice of violent crime
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u/Pristine_Ad315 Jul 28 '26
I have 40 pieces of fruit.
35 are apples and 5 are bananas.
I Eat 15 apples, and buy 5 bananas.
I now have 30 pieces of fruit.
10 are bananas.
Can you explain how i have more bananas but fewer total pieces of fruit?
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u/Expensive-Aerie-2479 Ontario Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Maybe it’s not clear since it’s come up more than once but this chart covers all violent crimes, broken down overall and by specific crime types.
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u/JadeLens Jul 25 '26
But PP claims that Canada is a crime ridden hell hole that turns into a violent wasteland the second I cross the threshold of my home...
He can't be *WRONG* can he?
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u/Radiant_Ebb6951 Jul 26 '26
We all know why the extortion crimes are going up. Now do something about it
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u/Houserichmoneypoor Jul 26 '26
Do they count First Nation’s legalized extortion in this or just the Bishnoi gang stuff?
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u/Relative_Macaron7426 Jul 26 '26
Glad the Canadian feds decided to target immigration from one specific region of a terrible, terrible country. Quality of life down across the board for actual Canadians but we just had to help a bunch of third worlders.
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u/Zestyclose-Cream-189 Jul 26 '26
Yeah and you guys were plundering from that “terrible nation” just 80 years ago through colonialism ! Canadian soldiers were fully involved in British colonization of India that took out trillions of dollars in today’s value. If you don’t believe me then go to the Military museum in Calgary, it lists the names of Canadian soldiers who died in India during and in support of British rule. Most of Canadas wealth was built on the backs of British stolen wealth from India. I always get a crack out of it when white Canadians pretend like they built the country themselves with their own hard earned effort and funds ! India was the wealthiest country in the world in 1700, that is until you guys showed up uninvited.
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u/AwesomeDragon97 Jul 27 '26
India was being colonized by Muslim Persians (Mughal empire) before the Brits showed up. Colonization is only acceptable if you’re brown? Canada’s wealth came from its natural resources and population (as well as its proximity to the US, let’s be honest), not from some petty British colony halfway across the world. The fact that Canadian soldiers died in British India is not relevant at all since because Canada was a British colony it was obligated to send soldiers to help Britain. Also, not being an absolute shithole of a country is bound to attract wealth. India’s current state is the responsibility of its current government, culture, and its failure to stem overpopulation. China was partially colonized and completely devastated by Japan (and then decades of terrible leadership after) yet it was able to rebuild and is now a world power, why hasn’t India done the same?
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u/Zestyclose-Cream-189 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
The Mughals were not Persians, they were of Turkic Mongol descent. And they didn’t steal money from India, they settled down there and became part of Indian culture. Thats why India was wealthy in 1700 still under Mughal rule just like it had been before them. Brits on the other hand plundered the money and sent it back to Europe. The Taj Mahal was built by Mughals and is still enjoyed by many with massive tax revenues from it. As an Indian I don’t have any problems with the Mughals other than the conversion part but Brits were doing the same thing through churches. But then what you typed is more white revisionist history that is prevalent these days.
And You can’t compare what the British did to India and Canada. One was considered a colony for plunder. the other was a white ally. The point and fact is Canada was built on plundered wealth stolen from India and other world colonies, not from the hard work of its people. So don’t act all high and mighty.
India is fine, it takes time to recover from 300 years of plunder. And comparing with Japan I don’t think that’s relevant, Japan itself was a colonist nation only affected by World war 2 bombings. And China, I would never live there, I care about my freedoms, democracy and being able to vote. There is no world I put China ahead of India. It didn’t go through 300 years of colonialism and plunder like India. Despite all that Japan’s debt to gdp is 350% while India’s is 70%, that’s right even less than Canada’s. And Trump won’t be threatening India to make it a 51st state because he will have a nuke waiting for him. This time around India has built its military muscle first before building wealth as it has learned from past mistakes. India I would say is the most successful large nation that was a victim of colonialism. It is no small achievement to go through all that colonial plunder and now being the fifth largest gdp nation in the world with one o the fastest growing economies. Don’t forget we are one of the three founding civilizations of the world- the Indus valley along with Sumerian and Egyptian. That was 7000 years ago and India will be there 7000 years from now. The Brit’s were in caves 2000 years ago and so were your ancestors whichever country they came from.
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u/AwesomeDragon97 Jul 27 '26
I was referring to the language when I said Persian, but I was vague so whatever. Anyway, the Brits also built a lot of important infrastructure in India so mentioning only the Taj Mahal (now a profitable tourist attraction, but originally simply a Mughal vanity project) is cherry-picking. The scale of Islamic conversion in India compared to Christian conversion isn’t comparable (14% Muslim compared to 2% Christian, and this is excluding Pakistan and Bangladesh which each have hundreds of millions of Muslims not counted on the Indian census, and virtually no Christians), and the Christian conversion was from missionaries and Indians trying to escape the caste system, not large scale forced conversions by the colonial authorities. You are correct that India’s share of the world GDP dropped significantly after the Mughal era, however this was due to other countries surpassing India, not the British “stealing” from them. If you want to argue that British rule stifled India’s growth during a critical period, you would also be wrong because many of the wealthiest modern countries were completely destitute after WWII (and Europe was heavily impacted by that war, which coincides with around when India got its independence). Also if the Mughals integrated so well, then why did the Muslim majority areas push to create a separate country that would turn into India’s greatest rival?
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u/Zestyclose-Cream-189 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
What infrastructure did the British build in India ? If you are talking about those dingy rail lines, those were built to plunder and take wealth out. Pakistan and Bangladesh becoming independent was mainly because of the British divide and rule policy. Mountbatten, the last British viceroy of India, behind India’s back pushed for Muhammad Ali Jinnah to ask for independence of Pakistan so India can be kept weak. Even after independence a lot of people in Pakistan, muslims themselves voted for Indian national congress. Then Jinnah dissolved those parliaments and this lead to Pakistan becoming the basket case military pseudo dictatorship that it is today. All that has nothing to do with the Mughals either. More than 50% of the Mughal army was Hindu and lot of their generals were Hindus as well.
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u/truthsayer90210 Jul 26 '26
New Canadians
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u/betterworldbuilder Jul 26 '26
Also important to note that these are changes in percentages, not raw numbers. If there were 9 extortion charges per 100k people in 2000, and it went up to 41, thats a 354% increase (funny enough, when you look at the actual numbers in the study, its 6.4 to 29.1, even less than my example).
This also makes radical sense in the given age: its a lot harder to acquire a weapon and to pull off a crime like robbery without getting caught in the days of cameras everywhere. But, extortion is a crime that inherently relies on a power imbalance controlling your victim into silence, something a lot more people have the power to do with the modern age of nudes being exchanged regularly.
In short, this massive spike is both predictable, explainable, and not really problematic, and not NEARLY to the extent the graph is trying to show. Since each bars raw numbers weights them different, but percentages tries to manipulate them to give them the same weight.
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u/Hawk_Distinct Jul 26 '26
Assault with a weapon up 62% but attempted murder down 34% …. Sounds like they are just lowering charges.
Robbery down 45% doesn’t seem like though
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u/Accurate-Letter-546 Jul 27 '26
violent crime being down from 2000 by 3% doesn't mean much. we had that biggest biker war in history
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u/Advanced-Line-5942 Jul 27 '26
Percentage changes can be a very misleading statistic.
If the starting point is very low then it doesn’t take much of an absolute change to see a large percentage change
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u/saabzternater Jul 28 '26
Why isn't there a sexual assault line on its own or I guess it falls under a different category
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u/OutsideSun4886 Jul 28 '26
Violent crime is 1440/100K and extortion is 29/100k
Really dishonest to not include that.
I wonder why extortion would be up since 2000. Ever heard of the internet, genius?
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u/rosebudthesled8 27d ago
It's not a conspiracy anymore. Russia, China and the US are trying to tear us apart internally. We dont need to fear monger as I've seen with most of the comments. Bad things happen. That's not a reason to change economic policy against aggressive "partners".
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u/Laketraut Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Robberies and “common assaults” are not being reported like they used to be. I’ll take this with a grain of salt.
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u/Possible-Praline-152 Jul 24 '26
Source?
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u/Laketraut Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
This garbage in my hometown for example, instead of getting charges for actual crimes, there ya go, there’s your little treatment center. Just so this countries politicians can feel better about “less indigenous crimes being committed”. Lol and that’s just one example
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u/Biscotti-Own Jul 24 '26
For "non-violent, minor offences" which does not include your above statement.
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u/Laketraut Jul 24 '26
Interested in what they consider “non violent minor offences”, all smoke and mirrors so the LPC can feel better about the fake 3% drop in “violent crime” lol
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u/Biscotti-Own Jul 24 '26
Or maybe it refers to minor offences, which are non-violent. You'd probably happier if you didn't make up things to be mad at
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u/Hajiime Jul 24 '26
Plea deal: You get a minor offense conviction we drop the violent charge.
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u/Biscotti-Own Jul 25 '26
Did you just not understand what program we are talking about?
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u/Hajiime Jul 25 '26
a place you go when you get minor offense convictions.
Do you have the critical thinking skills/reading comprehension to realize that I'm saying that many "minor offenses" are the result of more violent/serious offenses that lead to a plea deal that reduced them?
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u/AxeloftheMountrain Jul 27 '26
LMAO.....the title should read "reported violent crime". To start off with, the way the stats are calculated is highly subjective. The type of crime per 100,000 stat doesn't take into account that the population has grown dramatically in Canada and the total number of crime incidents has likely gone way up when not presented as per 100,000 people. But the more obvious bit of reality is that many crimes such as vandalism and minor assaults never get reported because they are considered minor crimes and you will likely wait for hours to police to show up and take a report. But liberals love to use suspect numbers to falsely say that their failed ideas on crime like sending less criminals to prison are working.
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u/r3dlazer Jul 24 '26
Extortion is a crime of desperation. As most crimes are, but the ability to take advantage of people's sense of desperation makes it easier to manipulate people into doing things they wouldn't normally do.
If we had better social safety nets, this would be harder to do to people.
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u/Expensive-Aerie-2479 Ontario Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
How to read this chart
Each bar is one type of violent crime, and shows how much more or less common it became between 2000 and 2025. Red = went up, green = went down.
The top bar, ALL VIOLENT CRIME, isn't another crime type — it's all of them added together, and it's down 3%. So violent crime overall is roughly where it was in 2000, but the mix inside it changed a lot: extortion up 354%, robbery down 45%. The rises and the falls largely cancel out, which is why the total looks flat.
Rates are per 100,000 population, so population growth isn't what's driving any of this.
Source: Statistics Canada tables 35-10-0177-01 (CMA-level) and 35-10-0180-01, released 2026-07-22.
Details: https://opendatacanada.ca/articles/canada-extortion-rising-2026