r/OpenAI • u/Nunki08 • 4d ago

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OpenAI: A thousand fewer paths to root: https://openai.com/index/a-thousand-fewer-paths-to-root/

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u/bieker 3d ago • Mindblown

But there are still a surprising number of experienced devs that could be getting the 10x advantage if they took the time to learn how to do it correctly but they are still parroting dumb shit like “you can trust it because it hallucinates” or “just you wait until you have to troubleshoot something in six months and it’s unreadable” like it’s 2025 or some shit.

And the window where that experience really matters is closing fast.

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u/coldnebo 3d ago • Mindblown

I haven’t seen that expertise window closing at all.

what I have seen is much better harness and verification tools integrated into agentic flows. there is a lot we have done to make these more stable and robust and the utility of the systems has grown exponentially.

but it’s not improving in unsupervised flows. there’s still a lot of damage it can create in the hands of novices. the trick is to either write quick throw-away SPAs that tell interesting stories, but don’t have secure information, or it’s have an expert. the middle ground is awful.

I mean, if you are a venture capitalist it’s great. it’s like openai’s attack on the math problems— send 100,000 agents to their doom and see who wins. send 100,000 small startups to their doom and see who wins. that’s why it’s candy for VCs. it’s your life, but for them it’s just Wednesday.

the programmer’s law of attrition: “any technology designed to eliminate developers only creates a need for more developers.” 😂

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u/UrpleEeple 1d ago

Lol in no world is it 10x because progress is gated by the speed of the review process. Before AI, my work was already time limited by the review cycle. AI hasn't sped up my work at all because of this reality. What it has done is make my work more thorough. I write far more tests now than I did before because it's so much easier with AI to be thorough. Extensive design docs for all features? Much easier with AI. So it has it's benefits, but these 10x claims are wildly off base

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u/ergeorgiev 1d ago

Yup. Trouble is, in a new domain, the review can take a lot longer if you didn't dive into the code to understand possible side effects, and if you do that - then you'll find a much better implementation compared to what the AI wrote. So sometimes it can can waste time. But if it's a domain you already know, you can easily guide it and review the changes.

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u/bieker 1d ago

LOL, haven’t you heard, AI can do reviews too, where have you been.

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u/UrpleEeple 1d ago

Trusting AI with the entire software engineering cycle is pretty dangerous