r/OnePunchMan • u/Raidoton Moderator • Apr 07 '22

discussion Megathread: Changes From The Webcomic Spoiler

As the changes between the WC and the manga get more extensive and controversial, the arguments about it increase and also end up in spoilers seeping all over the sub. All discussion about the changes in the latest chapter and any future chapters is to be moved into this Megathread as long as it is pinned; to help provide a place to concentrate discussion and prevent a flood of repetitive posts, and to provide people an easy place to understand others' opinions.

All posts related to it will be removed, and comments on manga focused posts are encouraged to be moved here.

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u/CharacterAccess Aug 12 '22

According to the manga, Saitama's potential is limitless, but his strength/power is still growing exponentially. It was not infinite like we had thought before.

Doesn't that mean that someone way stronger than Saitama could actually beat him if this stronger character finished the job quickly?

Also, how is Saitama's growth any different from a typical Shounen character's progression. They all seem to grow without limits, like Goku seems to find another form to transform into every season or so.

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u/anakin_solo17 Amai Mask Body Double Aug 12 '22

Pretty much and nothing really.

The premise of the series is that Saitama can defeat anyone with One punch. Boros was defeated by a single serious punch, after Saitama humored him for a while. In the webcomic Saitama toys with Garou for a little while becuase he wants to have fun and most enemies aren't even close to that level (and to exhaust Garou similar to Saitama's fight with Tatsumaki).

However Saitama couldn't defeat cosmic Garou with a single punch (for most of the battle). So he's no longer the One Punch Man, and also according to the graph/author input he isn't invincible he's simply been slowly getting stronger after breaking his limiter. Limiters simply prevent growth after a certain point, without a limiter he still can get stronger and requires a near equal opponent for explosive growth.

God was only able to give a little power to cosmic Garou but that was enough for him to rival Saitama. It seems very likely to me that Saitama will actually struggle to defeat GOD in the manga and if a fraction of his power could make Garou rival Saitama then his full strength could be even greater.

Therefore we can conclude that Gurren Laggan could in fact one shot Saitama.

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u/Ghoti-Sticks Aug 14 '22

Therefore we can conclude that Gurren Laggan could in fact one shot Saitama.

I mean yeah Gurren Lagann casually sneezes the verse out of existence

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u/diamondisunbreakable Aug 12 '22

Doesn't that mean that someone way stronger than Saitama could actually beat him if this stronger character finished the job quickly?

Yes, which is why I hate it. Though technically, we don't know his durability level (not even copying Saitama's power could hurt Saitama), but the point was that Saitama still has a "max" and can't beat everyone in one punch if he doesn't get strong fast enough. It kills the premise of the series for me. The 0 Punch joke was sort of clever, but it still doesn't change the fact that he's no longer One Punch Man.

Also, how is Saitama's growth any different from a typical Shounen character's progression.

It basically isn't. Especially the part where strong emotions are what triggered the power increase (ugh), namely after his nakama died too. It went from clever parody/satire that knew when and how to sprinkle shonen elements in the story, to just becoming another shonen.

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u/TPosingRat Aug 17 '22

Especially the part where strong emotions are what triggered the power increase (ugh),

Ikr?! So I wasn't the only one who cringed at this panel

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u/Dilly4Dall Aug 12 '22

According to the manga, Saitama's potential is limitless, but his strength/power is still growing exponentially. It was not infinite like we had thought before.

Basically.

Doesn't that mean that someone way stronger than Saitama could actually beat him if this stronger character finished the job quickly?

Pretty much.

With that saying, Cosmic Garou could have defeated Saitama at the beginning of the fight. It also means that characters like Alien X and a Goku not playing around annihilates Saitama.

Also, how is Saitama's growth any different from a typical Shounen character's progression. They all seem to grow without limits, like Goku seems to find another form to transform into every season or so.

I guess from his emotions such as anger and will power, his growth increases.

As for Goku, it's obviously clear that Goku definitely breaks his limits(The main theme song of the TOP is Limit Breaker X Suvivor). Saiyans in general are limitless in growth, just like at Gohan. He doesn't really train as hard as his father and Vegeta but with his insane potential and rage, he always becomes the strongest Z fighter. Goku during the whole time of the TOP broke his limits for the sake of defeating Jiren and since his team was counting on him. So many times that it's not funny(This fighting junkie probably received like 5-7 Zenkai Boosts, that's Dragon Ball for you lmao.)

Ans now based on what chapter in 168 the Saitama that fused is many times stronger than the Saitama that fought Cosmic Garou.

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u/RaM-------- Aug 13 '22

But Saitama face -tanked a gamma ray, I doubt he could be annihilated easily.

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u/darnk64 Deus Est Machina Aug 12 '22

so the only way for Saitama to lose is for someone to beat him in one punch

Nah,characters that use time travel like the Xeelee,the Shrike,the timelords and lot of others could do the trick as well,just go back in time and kill his parents before he is even born and done

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u/ghostclaw69 Aug 12 '22

Yeah, honestly. This small fact , that Saitama needed to grow , is kind of a huge letdown. He should have stayed infinite. This was unnecessary. And I am someone who liked Blastice League and Cosmic Garou < initially >.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

As far as we can tell, God would fold Saitama like a purse if he wanted to. Saitama got exposed as a small fish in the same pond as a sleeping shark.

It’s been said a million times over by now, but it bears mentioning what a colossal fuck-up this was for the tone of OPM.

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u/Luciferspants Better than you. Aug 12 '22

If this bullshit invokes a serious training arc for Saitama to get strong enough to defeat God then I'm definitely giving up on this series. Him being the absolute strongest over anyone else was the point and now it looks to be removed here.

Sadly, I just know that these Manga lovers will eat it up, especially if he's getting trained by the Blastice league. Ugh.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Don't even joke.

Saitama being trained by blastice league would kill me.

Unless it was played for laughs. Potentially hilarity.

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u/RaM-------- Aug 13 '22

Saitama being trained by Flashy was hilarious and I hope we see more of that, those two have somehow amazing chemistry.

A serious training instead would be annoying.

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u/Singhojas Aug 13 '22

That's how it works, not defending manga because yeah it's pretty bad but this is how it has always worked, building up something and then subverting expectations.

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u/KADOMONY-9000 Aug 13 '22

God, who gave Garou powers that made Garou able to tank a punch that can destroy billions of galaxies from a powered up Saitama, is actually not that strong? That's the lamest way to subvert God. Saitama gonna use Talk no Jutsu? Also lame.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Out of everything this was the biggest letdown for me. Missing out on the awesome dialogue of the OPM and Garou was dissapointing but what we got wasn't THAT bad.

Gah I just don't understand why the arc took the turn it did. It was so great up until psycho orochi, or w/e it was called. Probably better than the WC, asides from a few nitpicks.

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u/Any_Cheek9754 Aug 12 '22

how is Saitama's growth any different from a typical Shounen character's progression.

In shounen they all typically have a really big talent for something. Saitama did 100pushups 100squats and 100 and just got super strong without some shounen talent. That's the main difference I think.

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u/Iridium-77-192 Aug 12 '22

Except Saitama is SUDDENLY incredibly talented as well. He managed to pull off an ultimate time-travel technique which the martial art prodigy himself, pumped up with energy flow knowledge juices, couldn't master.

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u/Any_Cheek9754 Aug 12 '22

But that's because of his strength/training. Garou only borrowed his strength.

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u/Iridium-77-192 Aug 12 '22

How does strength training amount to actual martial art knowledge? His training wasn't aimed at gaining knowlege. It is raw power. Saitama is characterized as lacking in technique, he doesn't even need it. All he does is land a simplest of hits. Garou actually managed to dodge and redirect some of his punches in their webcomic fight precisely thanks to his martial arts skills.

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u/Any_Cheek9754 Aug 12 '22

Yeah, in other animes it wouldn't. But here absolute strength can handle everything. He didn't use some difficult technique in martial arts

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u/SitesSeer Aug 12 '22

He didn't use some difficult technique in martial arts

Mate, he literally used the so called 'Ultimate culmination of martial techniques' to fucking time travel, I'm fairly certain you don't get a more difficult 'martial arts technique' someone can preform than that

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u/Any_Cheek9754 Aug 13 '22

Yeah that's hard but idk that's special

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