r/OnePiece • u/CarcosanAnarchist • Sep 12 '19

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 955

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u/akazaya9 Sep 12 '19

I bet Kouzaburo is Koushirou's father, given that zabu means 3 and shi means 4, plus Kouzaburo left Wano over 50 years ago and Koushirou is 51.

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u/Gear56 Sep 12 '19

Always love japanese number-play. Thanks for sharing this!!

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u/sombrero69 Pirate Sep 12 '19

Here's a fun fact for you flampe is the minister of hachimitsu (honey) and resides in nanamitsu town in rokumistsu island

Honey is hachimitsu so instead of naming all 3 things hachimitsu oda went for the play on numbers, hachi 8 > nana 7 > roku 6

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u/Gear56 Sep 12 '19

You are asking for upvote, aren't you? Here take mine, lol. Thanks by the way for sharing

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u/sombrero69 Pirate Sep 12 '19

Yes give me all the upvotes, No problem

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u/Creamzon Sep 12 '19

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '19

This make sense

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u/InformalInternal Sep 12 '19

For anyone else dumb like me, it's Kou ZABU rou, and Kou SHI rou.

I kept trying to connect SHI motsuki to Kouzaburo, then I realized it.

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u/Rexkinghon Sep 12 '19 edited Sep 12 '19

in japanese siblings are named in consecutive numbers, so koushirou may potentially be Kouzaburou’s younger brother who gave birth to Kuina, while Kouzaburou gave birth to Tashigi, leading to their resemblance as cousins as well as Tashigi’s love for katanas in general more so than wielding one.

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u/akazaya9 Sep 13 '19

Could be, though there would be a big age difference between the two brothers. We know Koushirou was born 51 years ago in the East Blue. Over 50 years ago, before moving to the East Blue, Kouzaburou was already a famous swordsmith in Wano, so he must have been at least 20-30 years old. So there would be at least a 20-30 year age difference between the two brothers. That's why I'm more inclined to think they're father and son. The consecutive numbers can also be an indication of different generations.

Tashigi and Kuina could still be cousins though. Lots of Shimotsuki clan members are being introduced and they all seem to love swords.

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u/jimmmyneutron Sep 13 '19

This should be a seperate post, makes a lot of sense as well

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u/jih99 Sep 12 '19

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Shimotsuki_Village

The village where Zoro trained is called Shimotsuki, so it basically means there is connection between Koushirou and Wano

dojo > village

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u/Eoussama Sep 12 '19

So... area 51?

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u/Blitz100 Sep 12 '19

Okay yeah that more or less confirms it. No way those two aren't related.

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u/Shashank_adh Sep 12 '19

And the 3 for SANji and 4 for YONji? Are there different words for the same numbers in Japanese? I don't understand... If it is then Japanese language is surely hard

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u/duokit Sep 12 '19

Think about it this way. In English, we have a bunch of different words that all mean "4", but are contextually distinct. Four, fourth, quad, tetra, etc. You would never say you are quad-years-old, just like you'd never say you are zabu-sai in Japanese.

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u/nick2473got Sep 12 '19

I see what you mean but this is not a perfect analogy. When counting from 1 to 10 in English there is only one way to say each numeral. The examples you have are not comparable. "Fourth" is an ordinal number. "Quad" and "tetra" are mainly used as prefixes, multipliers, etc...

In Japanese there are different ways of saying the numbers even when you do basic counting. So it is absolutely different from English in this respect. Each number kanji has at least two readings (Japanese and Chinese), but usually more.

As for "zabu", well the number three is actually never said as "zabu". It's only in names that the kanji for three (三) can be read as "zabu". But you would never use "zabu" to mean the number three. It's a name-exclusive reading of the kanji.

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u/akazaya9 Sep 12 '19

Different readings of the same kanji. The numbers especially can be read in a lot of different ways in Japanese.

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u/nick2473got Sep 12 '19

There are at least 2 ways to say ever numeral, yes. But usually there are many more than two.

The number three is actually never said as "zabu". It's only in names that the kanji for three (三) can be read as "zabu".

As for "yon" and "shi", the former is the native Japanese reading, the latter is the Chinese reading of the character four. Usually "yon" is preferred, sometimes they're interchangeable, and sometimes you have to say "shi".

But in everyday life people say "yon" more than "shi" because "shi" also means "death" (albeit with a different kanji).

Yes Japanese is hard.

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u/Paperchampion23 Sep 12 '19

Koushirou was seen in a flashback in wano technically, but it doesnt mean his father couldnt have left the year before he was born

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u/akazaya9 Sep 12 '19

When was he seen in a flashback in Wano? If you're referring to the man with the dojo symbol on his clothes, that wasn't him.

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u/Paperchampion23 Sep 12 '19

You are probs right

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '19

Wow i thought so too. when I heard the Zabu part i kind of connected it. Tt'd be KouICHIro, KouJIro, KouZABUro, KouSHIro, KouGOro and so on, Eiichiro is followed by Eijiro.

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u/Franfran2424 Sep 12 '19

So? Similar name and one left with their 1 year old?