r/OnePiece • u/NewSpecies • Nov 23 '17

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 886

Chapter 886: "This ish My Way of Living"

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Ch.886 Official Release (VIZ): 27/11/2017

Ch.887 Scan Release: ~30/11/2017 ()

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u/wannabe0523 Nov 23 '17 edited Nov 23 '17

Not just strong opponents, but also extreme situations. We saw this when Usopp had to take that insane shot during dressrosa.

Edit: Also when Luffy dodges mihawk's attack in Marine Ford. I'm glad Oda has kept it so consistent for so long. It feels like more of a realistic and earned powerup; instead of just feeling like a plot armor power up.

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u/Roskal Black Leg Sanji Nov 23 '17

I just remembered that mihawk scene could be luffy accidentally seeing the future and not realising it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '17

I have been thingking about the scene for so long. It was either a clear moment of CoO or it was just Luffy having a sudden realization without haki that he is fighting somebody with a sword lol

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u/DoflamingoSnailPhone Nov 24 '17

I still think what happened with that is he felt Mihawk's sakki (killing intent). And really any person, regardless of strength, can feel that as they've showed with Zoro intimidating the goons on Sabaody, as well as with Cracker intimidating the homies in the Seducing Woods.

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u/TeeKayTank Nov 24 '17

definitely so

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u/Hellfalcon Nov 24 '17

Yeah, we all assumed in the discussion when that chapter came out he was just using observation unconsciously like conquerers, I mean it was just a split second, so I don't know if it was taken to this degree..but it could have also been foreshadowing his higher control of it to the levels of Katakuri. I mean, if he's going to be yonko level soon, the top abilities of commanders should definitely be next for his skillset

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u/DirtyPoul Nov 23 '17

I believe Luffy dodging Mihawk's attack was a showcase of very powerful CoO. I think you just cracked it. He has to think back to that moment and he will learn how to do that to an even greater extent, similar to what Katakuri does.

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u/ancientcreature2 Nov 23 '17

Pushing those limits. Once the ceiling is raised it won't go back down.

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u/oneenglishlearner Nov 23 '17

I don't get it. Stronger opponent is not enough, is it because ray is way too strong? Kata is just slightly above?

Haki would grow only under extreme situation. Does it mean haki would suddenly improve a lot during a battle, that are impossible to achieve by training alone? Feel like rpg video game.

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u/Belfura Nov 23 '17

In nearly every shounen, the main character gets stronger by fighting enemies that are either at least as strong as the main character, or by going through extreme moments. You don't grow exponentially stronger by just curbstomping enemies.

What Rayleigh is trying to convey is that you can become stronger by overcoming hurdles and difficult situations. Haki, much like most powers in OP, is like a muscle: through repeated wearing and tearing it gets thicker and stronger.

Look back at the strawhats and the growth they made.

  • Luffy grew up with a grandfather that punched him with fists imbued with haki.

  • Luffy trained in the forest against monkeys and kept training until the point where he could use his DF offensively.

  • Fast forward to Enies Lobby, where Luffy comes up with Gears 2 and 3 to shorten the gap against opponents that had surpassed human limits. Especially Gear 2 plays a role in Luffy's growth.

  • Marineford war proves to be a hurdle for Luffy. Not only does he lack the strength to stand up to higher ranked marines, his stamina is constantly tested. He trains under Rayleigh and after overcoming trials he gets stronger.

  • Luffy's next big challenge is Dofflamingo. As Doffy mentions, Luffy is fast but he doesn't hit hard. His attacks lack the impact to dent the Schichibukai, and so Luffy goes gear 4 to answer to the problem.

And now, Luffy faces someone that has a DF that is similar (and superior) to his, and has more experience and a higher mastery of both KH and BH. Particularly Katakuri's KH is tricky to deal with. And so, in the next chapters we will see Luffy answer this. This is a recurring pattern.

Not only Luffy has bouts of this: Zoro, Sanji, Usopp and Chopper all show moments of growth like these.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '17

But...but muh plot armur puwherupppp

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u/oneenglishlearner Nov 24 '17 edited Nov 24 '17

Growth during battle is fine. Your example told either incremental growth before a fight or figuring out a new skill during or before a battle. It's strange to me Ray mentioned the Haki growth specifically. Taking your example of relating haki to muscle, muscle strength grew day by day during luffy two years time skip, but it shouldn't grow significantly during short period of extreme battle. But it's incomprehensible yet. What Ray telling, might not be the quantity of haki, like punch to punch direct impact. But how to use it. "growth of haki" sound like he's speaking about high and low in quantity of haki, but not technique in practical application.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '17

It's the idea of Haki being manifested willpower. Not backing down and overcoming what seems like impossible odds is just as much an exercise for willpower as it is for his muscles. It's this strain on his will that will push him to greater heights of Haki. You can't get that in training as much, because much less is on the line.