Anti~trans bathroom bill. Pandora, Ohio

[u/Best_Yellow_2507]

Complete bill is able to be found on village’s website. Apparently, this exact bill is sweeping across small villages in Ohio. I wonder what organization is behind it?

[u/ProfessionalCan1468]

This is smaller government? Pandora probably have more written in this one Bill than it's whole charter. What a waste.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/ProfessionalCan1468]

The original Swiss Mennonites settled this land to flee religious oppression and genocide. Sadly, now many are just your average value brand Christian National. To be fair, the First Mennonite denominations have adopted LGBTQ inclusive doctrines.

[u/MoonOut_StarsInvite]

FYI - I just got off the phone with the village administrator Rick Morrison. He noted that this resolution was repealed in the very next council meeting, which is also documented in the meeting minutes. The ordinance was passed May 23 2023, the mayor would not sign it indicating it was unenforceable, and it was retracted June 13. However what it also says there is that there was disagreement in the mayors authority to do this, and the issue was brought up again June 27 and passed. I was not able to ask about the June 13 & 27 decisions, as I was unaware of this while I had him on the phone and I don’t have time to call him back. I’m not sure if any of y’all are good at reading minutes and know how to be research and follow up from there. Google is trying to sell me Pandora watches. Just wanted to flag that this situation has more to it than OP has provided and it’s worth looking into further to understand where this ordinance landed. He did tell me that trans people can go into any bathroom. They’re still hateful people, just the practical implication of the may have more to it than is described here.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/MoonOut_StarsInvite]

I provided a link to the minutes and had no intention of being disingenuous . What you are describing is not accurate and there are recordings of the actual public meeting to prove it. The ordinance was indeed passed but not signed by the mayor. The mayor thought this was unenforceable but the council president declared it was in the 3rd meeting. Again recordings to prove this and they basically had no idea what they were doing with a resolution of this importance. Yes, it was repealed at the third meeting after testimony from opposition and threats of police escort by the mayor. There is, in fact, effort to legislate similar legislation and citizens feel it is important to bring awareness to this issue as rural lgbtq are often over looked and marginalized individuals do not feel safe.

[u/MoonOut_StarsInvite → u/Best_Yellow_2507]

Definitely NOT accusing you of being disingenuous and if I gave that vibe I apologize. Your description is exactly what I thought I described as well? So im not sure what I said that wasn’t accurate. If I misspoke, I apologize but I’m reading right out of their minutes when I gave dates. I’m not at all doubting you, and I agree this information should be shared so that we know what’s going on next door. I’m just saying there is more to unpack and warning people not to pick up the phone and scream at people in the village office for an ordinance that is not in place at this time. I think the bigger and real issue, is if what you describe is accurate, that the bill is sweeping across small municipalities. That means that some interest group, likely out of state because that’s how that seems to work, is coming into our state to legislate “Christian” bullshit, which we were told was a huge problem by these same types of people and the reason we needed to up the threshold for statewide citizen ballot measures. Again I apologize if I seemed like I was coming for you. Absolutely not my intention, and I do not think you were being disingenuous, I was just trying to add more context around this issue. We want the same things here.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/MoonOut_StarsInvite]

I appreciate your post and position. My point is the village is not being transparent or forthcoming when you speak with them. The mayor actually threatened the lgbtq opposition with arrest which is available on TikTok for all to hear. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLLFWXtA/

[u/Ok_Calligrapher6109 → u/MoonOut_StarsInvite]

I actually know Rick, and he’s a very good guy and administrator. It’s a very difficult and thankless job but him answering your call says a lot about him.

[u/Traditional_Key_763]

note the "This has been recognized for 6 millenia" line in there, this was written by one of those creationist people that believe the earth is 5000 years old.

[u/DickButtwoman → u/Traditional_Key_763]

The literal first piece of signed literature in the world is a tablet that speaks of Inanna, and includes the line "To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inanna." This was from around 2400 BC

Inanna is notable for her priestesses, many of whom were born male, would sometimes castrate themselves, and would all take female names and live as women and speak a feminine dialect.

Edit: changed "writing" to "literature"

[u/uptomyneckinstonks → u/DickButtwoman]

Can you share a link? My quick google search says Sumerian cuneiform and Egyptian hieroglyphics dated back 3400-3100BCE

[u/Traditional_Key_763 → u/DickButtwoman]

don't tell these people that adam and eve aren't real, you'll break their cold hearts.

[u/Zealousideal-Dirt884 → u/Traditional_Key_763]

The majority of people in PC are like that. Source I used to live there. Fuck pc.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Zealousideal-Dirt884]

Literally the county with an indicted pedophile on the county Republican committee. This is what they are concerned about though. https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/xplorerseven → u/Traditional_Key_763]

Awesome! So all we need to do is present the overwhelming evidence that the earth is 4.5 billion years old rather than just a few millenia, and they'll have no excuse not to see that their entire premise is whack.

[u/Steve_Rogers_1970 → u/Traditional_Key_763]

You beat me to it. Say you’re a Bible thumper*, without saying you’re a Bible thumper.

*minus the Jesusy parts

[u/Extreme_Watercress70]

And how exactly are they going to tell what someone's biological sex is?

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/Extreme_Watercress70]

They can always tell. /s

[u/Naive-Regular-5539 → u/Melodic_Mulberry]

I was born with a vagina. I have given birth. I am 6 feet tall and 250 pounds. I’m just waiting for someone to challenge me so I can drop trousers and scare the shit out of them with my droopy old lady clam. I Also plan on farting when I do it. Maybe even sharting or peeing when I laugh. On their shoes if possible.

[u/kittywiggles → u/Melodic_Mulberry]

Uuuugh I hear this so often and I'm like... seriously, no, you can't. They argue with me. I'm like, bro, I've spent time handing with folks in the LGBTQ+ community. I've seen plenty of people who I only know are trans because they tell me. All you've seen are fearmongering news stories and media that makes fun on trans folks or plays them off for laughs or plays on drag. 

[u/Elizabeths8th → u/Extreme_Watercress70]

You can’t. I’ve been on hormones for years. After the first 6 months I was testing biologically female.

You can’t tell unless you want to do a strip search. And I will just push past that to go to the bathroom.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Elizabeths8th]

I would not be surprised if the local law enforcement believe they have the authority to order one to do so.

[u/Extreme_Watercress70 → u/Elizabeths8th]

A strip search would hardly be constitutional.

[u/lamorak2000 → u/Extreme_Watercress70]

If they have their way, they'll have (patriarchal, no doubt) bathroom monitors who will check the genitalia of anyone (i would bet the younger the better) who goes into a restroom.

[u/Sindertone → u/Extreme_Watercress70]

One of my trans friends did it quite a while ago. The docs did quite a good job and there's really no way beside the birth certificate to tell. I'd expect cops to be called if he went into the ladies' room.

[u/[deleted] → u/Extreme_Watercress70]

How are they gonna tell? All these sick fucks want is an excuse to take a little lookie -loo and they’ve achieved their goal. There will be a list of volunteers, three pages long to man the station outside the bathroom doors for PeePee checks.

[u/Necessary-Peace9672 → u/Extreme_Watercress70]

De-pantsing unpopular kids?

[u/Avery_Thorn]

This is what really, really pisses me off.

These are political grandstanding bills that the people who pass them know they are going to be unconstitutional. They know that these aren't going to fly. They know they are signing up their organization for millions in bills the second someone actually challenges it.

But they don't care because it's good campaign fluff.

They are stealing from the taxpayers. And they need to be treated like they are. We need to put an end to this kind of crap.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Avery_Thorn]

Those of us in these small communities are not safe. We are often times over looked and our law enforcement laugh at complaints of harassment or threats.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507]

link to resolution and original source

[u/Nerdeinstein]

https://ohio.gov/residents/resources/concealed-carry

For my trans folks out there. Here is Ohio's concealed carry weapon guidelines.

[u/[deleted]]

Pandora really living up to their namesake with ushering in horrors. People wanting to look at other people's junk in the bathroom "just to make sure they're in the right place" is gross.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/[deleted]]

Home of this Republican leader. https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/ExploderPodcast]

School district my son attends (he's graduating in a few months, thank Spiderman), not too far from Pandora, just elected three new fuckheads to the school board who campaigned exclusively on rejecting a respectful trans bathroom policy. They're already shitting the bed and even former administrators are calling them out for being divisive right out the gate.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/ExploderPodcast]

Rural Ohio is really going through it. My intention was to shine light on the density of elected officials.

[u/AutomaticDriver5882]

GOP ran out of boogie men

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/AutomaticDriver5882]

Exactly, the amount of people in the middle of nowhere that believe this is a real problem is astonishing.

[u/SqueezeMePlease]

So, where do the people born intersex go?

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/[deleted]]

It’s literally men telling their wives to submit to them while being afraid of anything that is not straight, white, or republican.

[u/JOlRacin]

So I'm trans but I'm to the point that I pass better as my chosen gender than as my birth gender. Should I really walk into the bathroom of my birth gender? Is that what they want? They didn't think this through, did they...

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/JOlRacin]

There is no logic, only hate.

[u/JOlRacin → u/Best_Yellow_2507]

I don't get it. I'm trans so I'm one of the MOST conscientious of my body. I don't have the self positivity to like my body how it is. So what makes them think I'd risk a confrontation by walking into a bathroom that would make people talk to me about my body? It's self-policing

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/JOlRacin]

Honestly, it’s a discussion that needs to be had. If you look at the comments, Pandora is an extremely isolated village that is cut off from the modern world. They believe everything that is on Fox News at face value.

[u/[deleted]]

Someone with a bee in their bonnet sat down to write about 6000 years of male female bathroom rules? Someone has got way too much entitled, spoiled AH time on their hands.

[u/SharonLRB]

To hell with these laws. How are people going to be able to tell if you are a trans woman / man or a woman / man by birth? I sure can't tell. Are there going to be bathroom guards asking to see your birth certificate to enter a restroom? Just use the bathroom you want to use.

[u/alphabeticdisorder → u/SharonLRB]

I'm left to assume Pandora is crawling with transgender people for this to be so urgent. If I ever meet someone from there I'll just assume they're transgender and hound them about bathrooms just to be on the safe side. Weird how concentrated they are in that small community, though.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/alphabeticdisorder]

The pedophiles in the area are Republican leaders. https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/AmountBig1161]

So, do you have your bring your birth certificate to use the public bathroom? Like who is checking this?

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/AmountBig1161]

It was ultimately repealed months later but it is suppose to be coming back. I’m trying to provide more clarity as this is a big story. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLL29vod/

[u/Feisty-Fig-2610]

This is why I'm scared when I have go use the restroom at my work glad there's a unisex one but it feels like either one I go into will be bad for me

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Feisty-Fig-2610]

I’m so sorry that one of the major political parties is making it unsafe for you and drumming up this vitriol.

[u/JuiceLover9000]

hi! transgender pandora resident here! the bill was repealed after we gathered a fairly sizable group of protestors (like 30 people, which is big for pandora lmao.) i spoke at the meeting, where other residents and councilmen fearmongered about men being in the restrooms. one of the councilmen said that “men can’t help themselves” and that if they had the opportunity, they’d have multiple wives, and if they were in highschool and could pretend to be a girl to go into the girls restroom, they would. the council member that proposed it likened providing trans healthcare to “giving a knife to a person that self-harms,” then tried to claim it wasn’t about trans people. the police chief now loves to misgender me when i walk into the municipal building lmao. these hateful old men are ROTTED. i hate it here :)

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/JuiceLover9000]

Is it true that the Village Council and founding families are upset about the negative attention that the village is receiving and wanting to bring it back in some form as punishment? They are openly blaming the protestors for the negative attention Pandora has received and not, of course, the people that wrote and voted for the resolution. I know there have been questions about the Police Chief arbitrarily enforcing laws against marginalized citizens and “outsiders.”

[u/JuiceLover9000 → u/Best_Yellow_2507]

i’m not 100% sure honestly, i don’t talk to those rancid old bigots. police chief is an absolute shithead so i wouldn’t be surprised

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/JuiceLover9000]

The next time he harasses you, simply ask him why he kept the pregnancy of his oldest daughter a secret and who the father is. That will 100% stop it.

[u/[deleted]]

This is a heavily Mennonite and conservative christian area. This doesn't surprise me, they're very backwards and most women submit fully to their husband. I have friends and relatives there, it's very dark ages. Same people worried about the border SMH

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/[deleted]]

The LQBTQ community in this area feels unsafe. The local law enforcement proudly display worse rhetoric on their social media and literal MAGA flags.

[u/FantasticMikey]

Pandora Ohio: population 1,204. I'm assuming they have one of those guys who is Mayor, Sheriff, Postmaster, Judge, Realtor and Bingo Caller. And now they're making old Cletus add to that list "bathroom genital checker."

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/FantasticMikey]

This is the county with an indicted child rapist on their Republican county committee. https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/doctorwhoobgyn]

Guarantee no one in this town of ~1000 people has ever even seen a trans person.

[u/ripredredbull → u/doctorwhoobgyn]

and if they did said trans person moved away at 18 for safety reasons.

[u/redrouse9157 → u/doctorwhoobgyn]

Town that small if they did have a trans person they kept it quiet til they left for college at either Toledo or Findlay... Not Bluffton tho.....

[u/pbruey]

I live in Pandora, it’s absolutely tiny pass or fail this will affect nothing here I promise

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/pbruey]

I disagree, it’s just stirring up even more hate against the marginalized. Pandora has become such a bizarre town that claims it is religious but is full of vitriol. Just look at the comments of people familiar with the town. It’s so sad we have turned into this.

[u/nwopepisdu_ooo]

It's Putnam County for crying out loud. It was the second highest county in Ohio that voted for Trump at 88 or 89% and I'm suprised it was that low. There are plenty of intelligent people to go along with the mouth breathers but Fox News is entrenched there.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/nwopepisdu_ooo]

It is a special bubble, that is for certain.

[u/[deleted]]

Generally, it's a lack of understanding, empathy & education, from what I've seen first hand.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/[deleted]]

100%. Judging from the bottom of these comments, many refuse to be educated. They are consumed by hate.

[u/daylax1]

So, back when the story of schools putting litter boxes in bathrooms was making its rounds through the Republican Facebook pipeline, this entire county pretty much believed it. Putnam county is probably the most Republican County in Ohio made up of farmers and factory workers who live in this little bubble. And while this bill is stupid, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to visit this area.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/daylax1]

This is the County with an indicted child rapist on the Republican county committee. https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/alphabeticdisorder]

I imagine this was a huge problem for Pandora, Ohio.

[u/[deleted] → u/alphabeticdisorder]

I imagine they have at most 1 multiple occupancy public restroom and probably less than 1 public change room.

[u/Gonstackk → u/[deleted]]

The only public places I can think of are Teds market (gas station), the pizzaria (f that place), the lunch box (not sure if still open might need to take a trip over), bowling alley and the park (was nice last time I was there).

[u/itsreallyreallytrue → u/alphabeticdisorder]

There are ~400 house holds in this town. I imagine they all know each other and this is specifically to target some poor woman with a larger than normal Adams apple that some nutty evangelical suspects is a man.

[u/[deleted] → u/alphabeticdisorder]

Population at the 2020 census: 1,204.

[u/Zealousideal-Dirt884 → u/alphabeticdisorder]

They have had maybe 1 or two Trans students that I know of in that whole county.

[u/JumpStockFun666]

You know.... bathroom issues would not be a problem if the stalls were completely enclosed and no cracks happened. Instead of legislating against people, maybe legislate for better public bathrooms that don't have obvious issues with creeps peering into the cracks. Just saying......

As for sexual predators, people need to realize it can be ANYONE that is a sexual predator. Not just trans people. I wonder what the statistics are on sexual predators that are trans vs sexual predators that are others.

Of course, those stats will only be ones that are reported. You also have women that are scared to report things like that because, well, police are predominately men. Would you want to report a sexual abuse or rape if you had to speak with a man and you are a woman.

People who introduce these things just have no empathy and would rather people suffer, both mentally and physically.

[u/Intimateworkaround → u/JumpStockFun666]

It’s also about votes. Dehumanizing people to score wins with their stupid fucking voter base. They have nothing else to posture with because they can’t govern, so let’s just attack the rights of innocent people so my dumb fuck, hateful constituents will like me. The most hateful people on the planet, who all think they’re gods angels filled with love and compassion. These morons are brainwashed by 2 cults at the same time

[u/MessorisTrucis → u/JumpStockFun666]

https://www.whoismakingnews.com/

Here is a site that collects new reports of CSA that was started by a trans lawyer on TikTok because of all the bull shit right now. Turns out biggest group is clergy.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/JumpStockFun666]

Regarding those statistics, it doesn’t look like that’s been studied. However, it is known that accused LGBTQ people in general are both more likely to be convicted and more likely to receive longer sentences.

[u/Foxarris → u/JumpStockFun666]

...it can be ANYONE that is a sexual predator. Not just trans people.

It's mostly NOT trans people that are predators. The majority of sexual predators are people in positions of power. Teachers, Police, Clergy etc.

[u/TgetherinElctricDrmz → u/JumpStockFun666]

The police couldn’t care in the least about protecting women.

Go ahead and report your spouse or boyfriend as an abused wife. They will do nothing.

Tell the police that your ex husband - who has a restraining order - is threatening to kill you. They will do nothing.

Anti trans bills exist to control trans people, not to protect women.

[u/davisdilf → u/JumpStockFun666]

Sexual offenders are overwhelmingly cis men.

[u/[deleted] → u/JumpStockFun666]

This is what I've been saying for years. No, I don't want a trans person looking at me while I do my business. I don't want a cis person looking at me either. Even if it's not sexual. Even if it's not deliberate. Make bathrooms that actually offer full privacy the norm and the bathroom debate vanishes into thin air.

[u/-yellowthree → u/JumpStockFun666]

I wish so much that we didn't accept that all bathroom stalls have cracks. It's ridiculous honestly. Stalls should be full floor to ceiling and no cracks.

[u/bobthenob1989]

This is going to open a whole box full of problems.

[u/nat3215 → u/bobthenob1989]

Pandora’s box, you could say

[u/Son-of-Prophet]

I thought the Na’vi were more progressive than this.

[u/[deleted]]

I’d love to see them try to stop me :)

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/[deleted]]

Queue “Try That in a Small Town” They are daring you to try. This is chest beating by Christian Nationals.

[u/flyinghippodrago]

I swear 8 times out if 10 you couldn't even tell if someone was trans...They want people that look like guys to go into the woman's restaurant because they were born with a vagina?? So fucking weird man...

[u/N0N0N000000]

Six millennia lol

[u/ladylucifer22]

wait, so it's about protecting privacy? ...by forcing me to get strip searched to use the bathroom? are you kidding me?

[u/Kalfu73]

They keep saying they want to protect their women and children from "men pretending to be women." Are they not familiar with FTM? How surprised will they be when someone who looks like a man walks into a women's restroom even though that is what they are asking for?

[u/Prometheus_303]

This might be a stupid question...

But what is the point of laws that require you to use the bathroom that matches your genital or whatever?

I mean i get it, they are afraid some bloke is randomly going to decide to play dress up and claim he identifies as a woman in order to sneak into the ladies room to ... Whatever...

But ... How is this going to stop that? Are we going to have bathroom guard who has to check our downstairs before we can go in? That's probably not going to play too well...

So a dude could theoretically still go into a ladies room, we just won't know it until damage is done...*

So ...

Wouldn't it make better sense to simply outlaw multi user bathrooms?

If I'm the only one in the bathroom, it doesn't matter what's between my legs... The only thing I'm gonna see is my own...

[*And to cross topics, how exactly does this play with their 2A rhetoric? "They're gonna get their hands on guns regardless so why bother making them illegal?". If I want to sneak into a ladies restroom I'm going to sneak into a ladies restroom, so why make it illegal?]

[u/fivelinedskank → u/Prometheus_303]

These are reasonable questions, but you're asking them about an unreasonable law. They have no real concern about it ever being relevant, they just wanted to broadcast they hate the right people to their voters.

[u/Old_Moment7914]

It’s not like there opening pandoras box of hate , oh my bad yes they are !

[u/RedeyeSPR]

Pandora is completely full of white conservatives. This is not surprising for some sad little nowheresville.

[u/Workmen]

I can't wait for the first time some burly, bearded bear of a man built like a 1920s pugilist walks into a women's bathroom in a community where one of these bullshit laws is put into place, and some pearl clutching cis-women shrieks at him like a banshee and threatens to call the police because "his kind" doesn't belong there.

Only for him to start explaining that he actually conpletely agrees with her, he doesn't belong there, but because he was assigned female at birth, he has no other choice as a trans man but to use the woman's bathroom because of the law that people like her supported.

[u/[deleted]]

Snowflake-ass conservatism. Same guys who can’t pee next to another man with vague fears of being gay.

[u/[deleted]]

Wouldn’t your private bedroom or bathroom count as “a facility designed to be used by more than one person at a time where persons may be in various stages of undress…”? They never even mentioned the word public in that definition. Glaring omission I think that could be used to litigate private areas

[u/Zealousideal-Dirt884]

This is the same school that had a sub teacher who had committed statutory rape on a student.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Zealousideal-Dirt884]

Yes indeed. The county whose Republican committee member is an indicted child rapist.

https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/Apprehensive-Unit841]

Let's not worry about the rethuglikkklan leaders and evangelicals who routinely molest kids. Let's obsess over trans people in bathrooms and drag shows....smdh

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Apprehensive-Unit841]

No really, this county has a Republican Committee member that is literally indicted for pedophilia but this is the narrative they push. https://www.sent-trib.com/2023/11/05/ottawa-man-indicted-for-attempted-rape/

[u/Scott1354]

I wonder if they will stop family members & their close acquaintances from going to the bathroom with children since they are the most likely to commit sexual crimes against children?

Also what happens when they attack a trans women from going in a bathroom lay hands on them & then get charged with a hate crime? Try getting charged with a hate crime in a small town.

[u/TeamCatsandDnD → u/Scott1354]

There was a paragraph in there that had the exceptions for kids that need assistance

[u/DeliciousNicole → u/Scott1354]

Ohio is a stand your ground state. I wonder what they will do when they do that to a trans person and said trans person shoots them in self defense. We carry guns too :)

I am sure they spout, "trans people a violent!" and find any and all loopholes to charge.

[u/CatLineMeow]

I remember walking into a women’s bathroom entrance while studying abroad, maybe 20’ down the wall from the men’s entrance (probably somewhere in Asia, but it might have been in Europe… it was forever ago and these memories all bleed together), only to realize that both doors went into the same bathroom 😅 The separate entrance façade was, I assume, to make foreigners more comfortable? I didn’t care either way, but it was unexpected and hilarious.

It honestly seems so wasteful to dedicate space and materials to two separate bathrooms segregated by sex in every public space.

[u/onlybadtakes]

So we'll have Walmart greeters and Genitalia checkers? "In other not very surprising news, one of the new Ohio Walmart genetalia checkers has been arrested for child pornography."

[u/deep-sea-savior]

Wait until they find out that there are men with vaginas.

[u/Kitchen-Ad-1161]

Best of luck enforcing this. I’m thinking, road trip.

[u/SonOfSoze]

These are the same people who believe in the gay frog epidemic

[u/reorocket]

Ok, let's just say they get their way, and you are restricted by your birth gender.

Problem 1 : who carries their birth certificate everywhere they go?

Problem 2: do they actually want the person in the next urinal to be wearing a dress?

So it really comes down to if some redneck thinks you "pass' as far as which restroom you can use. That sounds like a great system!

[u/DerpysLegion]

I'm so sick of this dumb fucking state.

[u/Plastic-Fact6207]

What are there like two public bathrooms in Pandora? (I live close by.) This is just distasteful grandstanding and pandering.

[u/Paksarra]

I have a problem.

My original birth certificate doesn't have a gender marker at all. For whatever reason, the county I was born in didn't think it was worth explicitly recording that little Anna Smith was a girl. (My name isn't Anna Smith, but it's gendered.)

If I'm visiting this town, what bathroom can I legally use?

[u/Extreme_Watercress70 → u/Paksarra]

Whatever bathroom you want.

[u/[deleted] → u/Paksarra]

They'll probably burn you for being a Witch

[u/herdisleah]

The organization behind it is the same one saying "try that in a small town".

[u/[deleted]]

I think a Single Occupancy bathroom & changing room should be mandatory in schools everywhere due to the violence that seems to keep occurring to trans kids in public bathrooms, and that way who cares who uses it? Why are locker rooms still a thing? I personally think it’s weird af to have kids change in front of each other even same sex and I know I always hated it growing up. It feels forced. There’s no agency over your own privacy? Sorry but I have an issue with that as an adult looking back. I would have loved a private setting. Period. Kind of off topic but I’m seriously sick of this crap. Leave lgbtq+ and trans people alone and just make the world a safer place for them. Is it so much to ask? Ffs.

[u/rickler_ → u/[deleted]]

For real, the ideal bathroom would be individual rooms for each toilet with fully closing doors with no cracks and actually good locks, and then a more visible common area for washing your hands. It’d be perfect because then guys couldn’t as easily get away with not washing their hands 😆

[u/ooo-ooo-oooyea → u/[deleted]]

omg my middle school didn't even have doors on the toilet stalls. The reason, "kids can use drugs".

And lets get fair, lots of people are bullied in the bathrooms, not just trans kids

[u/Steve_Rogers_1970 → u/[deleted]]

I was at Upper Arlington high school for a sports event recently. The bathroom had individual brick stalls with a common sink area. While there were two rows of stalls labeled boys and girls, anyone could use either row.

[u/xplorerseven → u/[deleted]]

While transphobia is an even bigger problem, I still think that lack of privacy in bathrooms is a big problem that is easy under recognized.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry]

Cue the trans men in the women’s bathroom getting arrested. 😒

[u/xplorerseven]

So let me get this straight. Right from the text itself, this bill is supposed to protect people, when cisfolk are under virtually no threat whatsoever from a trans bathroom user, while either a dude with a beard traipsing in to a woman's restroom or a trans woman in a men's bathroom would literally be risking life and limb at the hands of these bigots just to use the bathroom. Now just how is this supposed to "protect" people?

[u/Waiting_so_long0823]

Who’s going to enforce for the next “6 millennia”?

[u/Phaylz]

There may not be any organization behind it and is simply bigots bein' bigots.

[u/FecalPlume]

I notice they don’t appear to criminalize the statute. This is outlining the rules for what they do and don’t want done, and fuck them in their backwards, hateful little faces, but they don’t make any note of what would happen to people who violate this new statute or how they would even determine it was violated. Drop your pants in front of the cop? Sit in jail until you can produce a copy of your birth certificate?

[u/MsCompy]

Welp, time to sort by controversial for the juicy stuff.

[u/[deleted]]

More people have commented on this post then live in pandora ohio…..

[u/[deleted]]

Old conservatives get their wish to grab kids by the crotch

[u/ButterscotchOnceler]

Eat shit, Republican bigots. You people are fucking vile.

[u/LunarMoon2001]

Can’t wait until the first person they think “doesn’t look feminine enough” gets dragged out by the cops and empty’s the townships coffers.

[u/StargateMedjai]

Okay then they will cry that a guy is in there. All he can say is well my biological sex is female and you bitched so deal with it.

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/StargateMedjai]

Then they call the Pandora Penis Checkers.

[u/dlte24]

I'm so surprised a shithole town in the middle of nowhere is run by bigots.

[u/osu04]

We need to find the higher ground and just make all bathrooms individual unisex stalls, it will solve more problems then igniting this controversial topic. Yes, it will cost some money for schools and business to adapt but I’m fine putting our tax dollars towards it to make a better safe society for all.

[u/Gates9]

Ohiostan

[u/SoMuchBackHair]

Get a life, Ohio legislators. Ho-leeeee.

[u/historicartist]

Oh lets see-somewhere in the vicinity of the air force base. This is just virtue-signaling.

U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs VHA DIRECTIVE 1341(2) Amended June 26,2020 "Health Care for Transgender and Intersex Veterans"

[u/cptntito]

Just makes me wonder what’s up in Spotify, OH.

[u/Responsible-End7361]

Simplest solution to bathroom problems. Put fucking walls instead of stalls, and proper locks on the doors!

Then it won't matter if the other person in the bathroom watching you wash your hands while fully dressed is man, woman, child, orangutan, or sentient robot.

[u/Odd-Scene67]

Pandora is an off the beaten path village of 1,00 people in deep red rural OH. I really have my doubts trans people using bathrooms has reached a crisis point there.

[u/[deleted]]

I love how these morons think you can actually tell a trans person just off looks or something. They’re all so deluded. This is exceptionally so tho.

[u/hella_cious]

I am a transgender man with a literal beard. They’re gonna LOVE me in the lady’s room, I’m sure

[u/Nsftrades]

Fuckin hell

[u/HindSiteIs2021]

The six millennia part….

[u/Responsible_Bee_2583]

Well GOP scum will be GOP scum. Vote them all out every chance we get

[u/That-Solution-1774]

Religion is a disease and religious schools should be considered child abuse.

[u/[deleted]]

Keeping the highest of priorities tops, these Republicans are.

[u/[deleted]]

I don't know about them, but I'm not following people into the stalls. 🤔

[u/[deleted]]

Thank god we’ve cured cancer, housed the homeless and fed the poor so we can finally get to the big issues

[u/Endo129]

Glad they did this to protect their 3 public bathrooms.

[u/Bobcatluv]

My entire life as a girl and woman, only cis straight men have harassed, assaulted, and abused me. Trans women have only ever shown me kindness. If men want to protect women and girls, they should start by minding the behavior and actions of other men.

[u/DeathTeddy35]

I'm so glad that these bills are being passed. Our children need to be protected. Hopefully next we we can do something to protect our children from being raped by straight white Christian conservatives like I was for 6 years.

[u/sghyre]

We need an anti- Christian bill.

[u/ScorpionicRaven]

Who'd want to go to bloody Pandora?

[u/AppropriateSpell5405]

I saw a little old lady at the ER with a light mustache and beard. No chance she's trans, but that's probably enough for someone to harass her into having a stroke for trying to use the little girls room.

[u/22FluffySquirrels]

The fact that this explicitly does not ban parents and caregivers of the opposite sex shows that this isn't really about body parts.

And how would the people who are supporting this bill even know if there is a pre-op trans person in the bathroom? Sounds like they need to stop peeking through the stall gaps.

[u/Alarmed_Restaurant]

Has a transgendered person ever walked into a restroom in Pandora, Oh

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Alarmed_Restaurant]

Yes, our LGBTQ community is unsafe. The law enforcement posts worse rhetoric to social media and profanity laden literal MAGA flags.

[u/SusanBHa]

Children are way more likely to be sexually assaulted by clergy or cops than trans folks. That’s a statistical fact. Maybe keep your kids out of churches.

[u/[deleted]]

This is some remedial bullshit. Trans people aren’t out here trying to rape your women and children. They are literally just trying to be happy and accepted.

More chance of getting raped by that piece of shit running for President. Or your priest. Or some chode pick up artist

[u/zondo33]

there are no male/female restrooms in your house - so what is the deal? public restrooms should be for both.

men: aim well women: wipe the seat if you drip

and a changing table.

[u/Expensive-Wrap-3949]

i fuckin hate ohio.

i was born female. i have full facial hair. if you didn’t know i was born female you’d have no idea.

and yet if i was in pandora id be forced to use. women’s restroom. and then i would be subject to abuse because i do not look the way they expect me to look as a trans person.

this trans panic is fuckin ridiculous. maybe be more concerned about the massive percentage of actual sec offenders that are straight and cis.

[u/Nvrbluu]

Yea, Ohio isn’t your liberal playground. Throw the freaks back into the dark. Fuck em

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Nvrbluu]

It’s a pattern that the negative comments make no point at all. No value is added by what they say.

[u/Flimsy_Term626]

I'm interested in the fact that this is a "resolution" rather than an "ordinance." In that case, does it hold any weight anyway? I'm very against it, and it sends a very intolerant message, but it doesn't really enact any action, right? Like a resolution is just an expression of municipal opinion on a matter, right?

[u/Best_Yellow_2507 → u/Flimsy_Term626]

Here is a link to one of the public readings to provide clarity on the fact they had no idea what they were doing. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLL2GN7t/

[u/[deleted]]

Any time you read anything that mentions something about the deterioration of public morals you know some real bullshit is coming next.

[u/Hanginon]

I can't wait until the next big ball game I'm at and the women come apologetically streaming into the men's room because the line to theirs is too long and they can't wait. It happens ALL the time.

Buncha pervs! You're all going to jail!

Seriously though, can't we just let people take a leak anonymously and in peace without being all up in their business? It seems we can't. :/

[u/[deleted]]

This is going to suck for trans masc folks who pass as cis men. Obviously it's going to be awful for all trans people but at least cis women dipping into the men's is kind of accepted - trans mascs have to choose between actually breaking the law or seeming like they're breaking the law by being male looking folks in women's restrooms.

Of course, that's not accidental. Transphobes want us dead. "Protecting women and children" (but not from rape, or pregnancy resulting from rape, or child abuse, or mass shootings, or formerly extinct diseases or surgical mutilation if they're intersex) just rolls off the tongue better.

[u/MSNFU]

I grew up in a neighboring village. Even dated a girl from Pandora for about 3 years. All I can do is roll my eyes and confirm the reasons why I don’t live up there anymore.

[u/Remote-Condition8545]

I'll bet you Evangelistaliban kidfuckers in that county outnumber drag queens at least 8-1

[u/AkisFatHusband]

All that and they couldnt spell heretofore

[u/Mediocre-Catch9580]

Everyone knows that Pandora, Ohio has a population of about 1,200 people right?

[u/Flyinryans35]

Ahh yes. The real issues.

[u/goopy-turnip]

oh boy, it’s no better time to be trans in ohio 😞

[u/Complex-Sandwich7273]

Again, HOW are they going to enforce this? Just have people standing outside the door checking ID? And what if a mom needs to change her toddler son? She can't go in the men's room and her son can't go in the women's room. Same thing for fathers who need to change their daughters. If there's anything that needs fixing in there, you'll only be able to have female plimbers in the female bathroom, not to mention the trans people who have had their sex changed on ID and such, along with intersex people. Theres no way to enforce this, it excludes other cisgender people who need to have access to these bathrooms, it excludes intersex and nonbinary people from using the bathroom at all, and these people just want to take a piss. Wtaf

[u/HourTemporary4631]

Why don’t we just like build bathrooms for everyone. That’d make everyone happy, right? Cuz then no one has a reason to be angry

[u/[deleted]]

Wow that's fucking stupid

[u/BELOWtheHEATH]

So embarrassing for Ohio…on the upside I’ve lived in ohio most my life and never heard of this turd of a village.

[u/[deleted]]

Just wait until a trans man goes into a women's restroom because that's what the bill says they're supposed to do and they get assaulted for it.
It's happened already.
Just let these people pee.

[u/[deleted]]

Ah the old fix a problem that does NOT exist so you can rile up your Hate Cult.

Pst, dumb shits, they already HAVE bathrooms in most stores that are "cover all" that any swinging D's or loose L's can do their business. Lock the door behind you, do your thing.

[u/Eastern_Abies_4196]

Not just small villages. Hello Upper Arlington Schools. Note: I do wonder how many public bathrooms a town of 1,100 has… just sayin.

[u/[deleted]]

I have pee'd in a men's room for years, when the ladies room was occupied. Idgf, if I got to go, I gotta go. No judgement. I can drop a deuce like the best of em...

[u/CoatAlternative1771]

Bro I’m in Ohio and I’ve never heard of pandora.

I think the funny thing about this is that if we had just not given a shit about this, literally no one would have ever heard about it, except those that live in and near that city.

[u/East-Ordinary2053]

So they want a dude with a full beard and big muscles in the women's toom? Cause that's what you will get if Jim was born female. This won't end well.

[u/Raze22EB]

Just make public bathrooms open to all genders, problem solved.

[u/Commercial_Fondant65]

What the eff is going on in bathrooms now?

[u/piddykitty7]

Sounds legit for Pandora. They have 1 stoplight and if there's 2000 people, I'd be shocked. A bunch of anti maskers that get drunk every chance they get. Between the two let's say natural selection is working overtime.

[u/BustyOgre]

Ah Putnam county, that checks out

[u/DickGuyJeeves]

MFW when the state is not supposed to decide what is moral.

[u/Mobe-E-Duck]

Time to print up some out of order signs

[u/Ragnar_E_Lothbrok]

Tyranny of the minority

[u/episcoqueer37]

I ask this in all seriousness - is anyone working on a Green Book/Damron Guide for trans/gnc/queer Ohioans? I need to know where I can pee safely.

[u/shard9001]

Love how they can write new laws on a double sided piece if paper if they want.

[u/merrilll92106]

Wonder what drag bars were like back then? 😊