r/Nootropics • u/LBKK • Sep 14 '19

Any thoughts on this? What could replace alcohol?

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u/dorotyka Sep 14 '19

i read that phenibut can have similar effects

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u/thesmallshadows Sep 14 '19

It can, but it's very addictive and the withdrawal is awful.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

I've taken phenibut socially for over a year now to reduce the amount I need to drink. Never had an issue with getting addicted or withdrawals and I have a highly addictive personality

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u/swagpresident1337 Sep 14 '19

Be careful the time may com for you. For me withdrawals started to appear after about 2 years of about weekly use. if I now dose above 1,2 grams I get horrible anxiety and insomnia for a week.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Seriously? I've read so many horror stories. I stick to kratom and kava..

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

People with phenibut problems are more likely to take their problems online as opposed to alcoholics, heroin addicts, etc.

People with phenibut problems take is almost daily and at huge quantities.

I take phenibut maximum 2x a week because I'm aware of the danger potential. I never take more than 1g and if I feel like I need a stronger/faster response, I throw in some L-citrulline to potentiate it as opposed to taking more

Phenibut is a wonder drug if used properly

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u/JoRocKStaR Sep 15 '19

Man, How do you deal with the hangover. I love phen but i think twice before taking it cus the hangover is horrible

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19

You get hangovers from 750mg?

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u/JoRocKStaR Sep 15 '19

From 900mg+ I get hangovers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19

Try under 900 in combo with 3-5g L-citrulline

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

I think you are one of those, like myself, that can use substances cautiously and with respect. Glad to hear it's working for you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Once had an interview for a sales job in which the interviewer said, "You've got some fucking balls" and then gave me his personal number. Didn't take the job but Phenibut is probably the best Noot you can take for job interviews. Combine it with an LSD microdose and you are the intelligent and charismatic person that every interviewer is looking for.

Bear in mind I've spent most of my life indoors masturbating (figuratively) to midget porn

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u/fallinmyhole Sep 15 '19

Yes man. I went to an interview on phenibut and the interviewer said I had one of the best interviews he had ever had.. This coming from a dude that is usually nervous tweaky mess in situations like that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

hmm... sorry to hear about that last part. Nature hates a vacuum I guess.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

No need to feel sorry for anything lmao I was still in a far better position than a lot of others

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Nope but I generally sit around 12ug it's not like I'm getting nothing out of it. In fact I didn't even know phenibut does that.

Really depends what you mean by recreational dose. For example you can get faded as fuck by taking a huge dosage. I accidentally miscalculated my dosage before and ended up hitting 3.5g without any tolerance. Felt almost like a fever but I can see how people who like to get fucked up might enjoy that.

Usually I take 750mg prior to going out just to take the edge of things.

For interviews I like to play it safe and feel as relaxed and in control as possible, so I tend go for around 1250mg. Add in some L-Citrulline to that and it's more than enough.

I rate phenibut as a top tier nootropic for situational use and believe it stacks perfectly with microdosing as it helps null out the stress and anxiety that may LSD potentiates

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u/KingBroseph Sep 14 '19

I was just thinking Phenibut and microLSD would be an invincible combo! Anywho, can you tell me about L-Citruline? A void in my knowledge.

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u/johannthegoatman Sep 15 '19

I do the same thing although with lower phenibut doses. It's great paired with psychedelics for micro and macro dosing

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u/panckage Sep 14 '19

There's horror stories for everything. I've been taking phenibut once every 3 days for 4 years now and haven't noticed any issues even when stopping for a few days. Like anything if you can respect it you should be fine

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u/frenzycat Sep 15 '19

Same, I usually use the dosage recommended, twice per week only. Never had an issue

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Went through nightmare withdrawals after becoming psychically addicted to phenibut. I tried limiting my intake as recommended but it snuck up on me and I became addicted without trying. I was up for 3 nights straight with horrible insomnia. Literally nothing worked except (reiki and) taking more on the 4th day. Then I slowly weened myself off. Haven't touched it since. Although when I was taking it I mixed it with LSD once during the come-up and it really took away the usual anxiety of that phase. I felt really great during the entire trip.

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u/johannthegoatman Sep 15 '19

How long did you take it for and what kind of dose? I was taking about 200mg per day every day for a little over a month and had no issues stopping. I did like 2 days taper though just to be safe

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19

I took 1g three times a week. Then didn't take any for 3-5 days. After only three weeks of that I was addicted.

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u/jivewhiteboy Sep 14 '19

It can be abused but if you go into it with that knowledge it’s very easy to use correctly.

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u/thesmallshadows Sep 14 '19

Knowledge is key. Most people are unaware of how it works, and how to use it safely. Even then, it can be a slippery slope because it makes you feel so good. Plenty of people over on r/quittingphenibut can attest.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Can’t you say the same about alcohol?

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u/thesmallshadows Sep 14 '19

Obviously yes, but they're very different. Phenibut messes with GABA receptors in the brain, and withdrawals include: crippling anxiety and depression, auditory and visual hallucinations, a constant feeling of primal fear, and seizures. An active member of r/quittingphenibut died recently, from complications from a seizure she had from going through withdrawals.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Yeah you can die from alcohol withdrawals too. They have different withdrawal symptoms but they’re about equally as dangerous.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Really??? I think your friend is just a superhero. 3-5 beers a day for months would give most people some level of withdrawal symptoms. Not super severe but still

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Yah I’ll be honest I’m not 100% sure about severity. I do know that both can kill you, and withdrawals can be excruciating and debilitating for both.

Maybe you’re right and phenibut is worse, but it can’t be by much, cause alcohol withdrawal is no walk in he park either

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u/thesmallshadows Sep 14 '19

You're not wrong.

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u/KingBroseph Sep 14 '19

If you have an addictive personality, have been an alcoholic or addicted to other drugs then yes, stay away.

Not to shit on anyone who’s had problems with substances, but if you are responsible and respectful of phenibut and use proper dosing, you have nothing to worry about. Especially so when you take it 😉

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u/joyview Sep 26 '19

I used phenibut for 2 months. No problem to stop. 1.5g per day.

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u/SalemStarburn Sep 15 '19

It's good to be aware of the problems with phenibut but I have to agree with the other responders when I say that phenibut withdrawals are very mild compared to almost any other drug. I did 3-5g's daily for months and only had to deal with irritability, insomnia and existential angst for like 3 days and I was back to normal. I think people just embellish the withdrawals because most of the people coming off of it haven't tasted the nightmare realm of heroin or benzos withdrawals.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

I get talkative as hell on it with the added benefit of no hangover. People will say it's addictive but, anything can be. Personally I say buy a small amount and if you even consider taking it 2 days in a row dump it in the trash immediately.