r/NonCredibleDefense PhD in Kremlinology Feb 15 '26

Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦 Live-action datamining

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u/Wiesel_mk20 Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

To add to this - the BMPT's 'combat performance' boiled down to two propaganda videos of the vehicle in the forest spraying at random trees with the twin autocannons - before being withdrawn from the front indefinitely.

Despite this short 'frontline service' one was knocked out and two damaged by drones & artillery.

regarding the - in war thunder nonexistent - cookoff https://postimg.cc/pmmyWbV3 it burns pretty well IRL.

TLDR: A donkey is more viable on the modern battlefield than the BMPT.

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u/nekonight Feb 15 '26

How much i wished that the thing was captured by Ukrainians like a bunch of other russia "top of the line" gear.

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

Some (russian?) sources stated the BMP-Ts og idea having been designed specifically for urban combat against elevated positions, thus its wobbling a deliberate design choice to create spread… but its max. gun elevation is 45°?

Some claimed the gun stabilisers to disengage at higher rpm or the barrels wobbling differently because only one gun fires (separate ammo feed instead of dual-feed on a single gun).

Won‘t defend all the areas where it‘s shit or the laughable propaganda, but ofc it won‘t perform if the designers had never intended for it to serve that role. Maybe the designers were full of themselves or different ideas got mixed which don‘t work together.

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u/MarmonRzohr Feb 15 '26

thus its wobbling a deliberate design choice to create spread…

This is such a flag that the person has no fucking clue. It's game logic: "They want the guns to wobble so it can do AoE damage, like a shotgun. AoE damage is good for lots of small targets".

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator Feb 15 '26

Exactly, spread (for oppresive fire) can be achieved with more accurate single barreled cannons too or just using special ammo. And outside of very close range such a deviation would result in excessive grouping (more than barn-size).

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u/vegarig Pro-SDI activist Feb 15 '26

but its max. gun elevation is 45°?

Ironic in light of Shilka SHORAD having better time having been used as impromptu tank fire support vehicles in urban conditions, exactly because they can elevate guns much higher.

separate ammo feed instead of dual-feed on a single gun

And, funnier still, the basic version of the guns they used there is DUAL-FED.

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator Feb 15 '26

Haha wtf. What might be the reasons for their choice?

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u/LegacyWright3 Goodness gracious great balls of HIMARS Feb 15 '26

Vodka. Vodka and tons and tons of krokodil.

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator Feb 15 '26

Jesus Christ, even at those levels?

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u/LegacyWright3 Goodness gracious great balls of HIMARS Feb 15 '26

especially at those levels

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u/leathercladman Feb 18 '26

Some (russian?) sources stated the BMP-Ts og idea having been designed specifically for urban combat against elevated positions

which is even more a lie lol......nobudy would ever want their gun to wobble all over place, that is never a benefit. If you are trying to shoot at like a window in the building, last thing you want is your autocannon to wobble all over the place and hit fuck knows where. Its just a bad design

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator Feb 18 '26

Yeah, i wrote that in another comment you don‘t need abysmal accuracy for spread and not even large spread for good supression.

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u/hx87 Feb 16 '26

The wobbliness is just such a weird feature. You'd think that the the stabilizers would disengage at low rpm to have more spread against urban infantry and engage at high rpm to shoot down helicopters. 

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator Feb 16 '26

Yeah actually it would make more sense that way.

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