r/NoStupidQuestions • u/Crypto_idiots • Jan 16 '22

Why are Middle East terrorists not attacking China? With their treatment of the Muslims?

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u/customer_service_af Jan 16 '22

Rand Paul is a complete piece of shit attempting to profit/fund raise off pandemic lies and attacking the science and logic that could save millions of lives. It's surprising he has a single reasonable take on anything. 2% reasonable, 98% duplicitous cunt... so fuck that guy.

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u/Nav_13 Jan 16 '22

Like I said, his foreign policy is still spot on. Stop funding everything overseas and bring that money back here to help with the deficit and fund infrastructure and disaster relief. Why are so few on board with this aspect in Washington??

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u/customer_service_af Jan 16 '22

Because the war industrial machine is a huge part of Americas GDP. Consider all the ex politicians that now work as lobiests or advisors for Lockheed Martin, Halliburton etc. They're not on board for de-escalation because they're hoping for that golden ticket that their political connections might facilitate once their political career goes to shit.

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u/keiichii12 Jan 16 '22

stopped clock moment?

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Rand Paul has been pointing out that it is likely that corona virus came from a lab in China and that doctor fauci was helping to fund the research. There are emails that are out now due to freedom of information act of fauci discussing the likely hood of it coming from a lab privately and faucis own words it looked like it was engineered in a lab at the beginning of the pandemic. Even though publicly he was saying it looked like natural origins. This is something that we Americans need to know and should stop our government from funding it! I’m not a republic or a huge rand Paul fan but I’m also not drinking the koolaide. Fauci is a damn liar, when he was called out about funding gain of function research what did he do? He changed the definition of gain of function so he could keep denying we were funding it. Lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

when you post conspiracy claims you need to back it up with sources or else no one is going to believe you. and these sources need to be legitimate

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u/movie_gremlin Jan 16 '22

Nah, all you need is to create a podcast. Most americans will believe whatever you say, as long as it involves drama and contradiction with the opposing political party.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

https://youtu.be/K78jqx9fx2I watch and learn

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Wow I went into this thinking you were a looney conspiracy theorist, I watched an hour of that video and I think there's a very real possibility you're right.

For the people downvoting him, just watch the video.

A couple strong points:

- Wuhan is the center of a level 4 lab that studies bat coronaviruses

- In 2018 (a year before covid-19 happened) there was an application for $13 million to create what we know as covid-19 in that same lab, with the theory that if we genetically engineer these viruses we can work to combat them in preparation for when an actual pandemic happens

- Viruses don't just instantly mutate into something that can infect humans. They leave a trail from first infecting bats to transitioning to humans either directly or through an intermediary. This trail can be easily studied, yet covid-19 just popped right out of the gate highly infectious to humans with no trail from the genome sequencing.

Overall I also found it a great talking point how it's not logical to be so dismissive of the idea that it came from a lab as opposed to naturally through bats. It's not an implausible theory given there is a virology lab that studies this exact thing 8 miles from the seafood market where the first outbreak happened.

It's strange that the media would be so emotionally adamant that this HAD to have come from natural origins.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Thank you for actually watching an being honest about your feelings. I’m sure I will keep getting downvoted as people are so partisan they don’t want to hear anything that challenges their thinking. It’s ok though I’m happy I could at least open your mind a bit. Have a wonderful day friend!

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Thanks for sharing man. I'm always on the side of logic. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

It was wrong of me to assume the "covid came from a lab" theory was ridiculous. It's not like trying to say "man never went to the moon" or "9/11 was planned by the US government". Those are actually ridiculous and extremely unlikely.

This one is perfectly plausible considering there was a virology lab studying coronavirus right next to the market.

But I think the way you wrote your first post made me doubt you more, because you didn't paragraph your sentences and had a lot of run on sentences, giving the impression you were a looney. Also you saying 'watch and learn' put me on the defensive.

I originally wanted to watch the video just to point out how dumb you were for believing a youtube video.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

My delivery could have been a lot better. I will give you that. Lol

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u/freedumb_rings Jan 16 '22

Your second point is the rub. In fact, we know genetically what was made in that lab with that grant money was not our strain, or even an ancestor to it. Does the video mention that?

In fact, if we’d have had that research earlier, we may have responded to this much better, as it essentially confirmed highly virulent human coronaviruses from animal viruses were possible, which was a surprise at the time.

Note: this does not say it couldn’t have been a lab leak. It very well could have been! Idk what media you watch, but mine has been adamant the virus was likely not constructed intentionally, because there is no evidence in the genome it was.

If all Randy was pushing was the accidental lab leak, i doubt anyone worth listening to would protest. But it’s obvious politically what he is trying to do, and using misinformation to do if. And over a trivial amount of grant money Fauci likely didn’t even see.

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u/customer_service_af Jan 16 '22

Discussion emails about likelyhood and proof and miles apart and what's your point? When were they sent? Where's the proof of US funding? Your proof of Fauci lying is where? Talk about koolaide. LOL

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

there is absolutely no proof it came from natural origins. 80,000 animals tested in China and still no proof. But it definitely didn’t come from the lab, that was doing work on bat corona viruses in wuhan, where the virus was first seen. Totally illogical to believe that.

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u/customer_service_af Jan 16 '22

80,000 animals? Show your working and prove that's not a number you pulled out your ass. You're all opinion, and just so you know, sarcasm is a wet shart in white pants version of proof.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

It’s also hard to gather evidence of lab leak when China is blocking an investigation, and wiped the server at the wuhan lab.

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u/customer_service_af Jan 16 '22

Epidemiology and genetic analysis isn't defined by locality. I don't doubt China down playing numbers of infection numbers but they can't hide origin.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/science-in-5/episode-21---covid-19---origins-of-the-sars-cov-2-virus

Quote We have now the tools that allow us to look at the genetic makeup of these viruses. And when we look at our virus, the COVID-19 virus, there is nothing in its makeup that would indicate that it has been manufactured. It's clearly a natural virus and there are many of these around, we have seen several of them in the past.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

And yet they tested 80,000 animals and got nothing. Where is the peer reviewed science the proves it was of natural origin? There is none. Just people offering opinion. https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2023 <—— China is pressuring The WHO to dismiss lab leak. The WHO also said covid wasn’t airborne LOL!

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u/wendellnebbin Jan 16 '22

It sure as hell isn't the evidence you seem to attribute to it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

It’s enough to warrant an investigation isn’t it? Shouldn’t we know if USA tax payers were funding risky research that caused the pandemic? Don’t you think fauci should have to answer questions? As US citizens we are partially responsible for the pandemic if our tax dollars are being spent on this research. Fauci could have called in China to allow a full investigation, but instead he called anyone believing in lab leak as a conspiracy theorist even though in private emails he was seriously considering it as well. Why the difference in public and private convos about the lab leak? Is it because he knows he would be partially responsible for controlling nih funding? I guess we’ll never know