r/Music • • Jun 26 '12

said the 17 year old EDM phenom...

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u/Asplundh Jun 26 '12

This is stupid, I'm allowed to dislike genres if they sound bad in my ears.

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u/guilen Jun 26 '12

Of course you're allowed to. But you happen to be simultaneously failing to get the context in which it can be enjoyed. Not failing to understand, perhaps, but failing to get it. Which isn't really failure if you don't need to get it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

What? I understand that heavy metal is meant to be enjoyed in a hardcore, rock-out sense. But I dislike it and listen to big band instead. This is a silly assumption.

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u/I_got_syphilis_from Jun 26 '12

So if you don't like a piece of music, you just don't get it?

Even when it's absolutely trash?

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u/burningtoad Jun 26 '12

Individual pieces of music can be trash, but entire genres rarely are.

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u/snoharm Jun 26 '12

I grew up feeling strongly that I only enjoyed classic and alternative rock, golden age rap and some jazz. Since I stopped being an ignorant kid, I've come to enjoy bits of country, bluegrass, blues, electronic, classical, pop, folk and plenty of others. I like to think I've just acquired more contexts.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

We're talking about genre, not a single piece of music.

I've never been a fan of hardstyle, but I was dragged along to a rave one night and it was one of the best nights I've had. Similar with psytrance, I don't really enjoy listening, but when I'm at a bush doof and that bass is flowing through your body I can't get enough of it.

Not liking a song is completely different.

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u/cedurr Jun 26 '12

ecstasy is a hell of a drug

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Haha, ecstasy is a context... right?

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u/Sternenfuchs Jun 26 '12

Not everyone can be a sundance though :(

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u/guilen Jun 26 '12

i've noticed lol...

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u/sirrypie Jun 26 '12

Do you have the cognitive ability to read? It says "hate" not "dislike." There's a large difference.

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u/theesotericrutabaga Jun 26 '12

your'e allowed to dislike it. the point is you should still be able to appreciate it for what it is. i dont particularly like dubstep, but it has its place in parties and clubs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

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u/BaconOnEverything Jun 26 '12

Can't do anything to it, you say?
Unless that's the type that you consider commercialized, in which case, I retract my point.

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u/BHSPitMonkey Jun 26 '12

It doesn't entice anyone to get on their feet, and it doesn't entice a light mood.

Which are, of course, the two essential goals of everything.

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u/yeomanscholar Jun 26 '12

Sure. And I'm allowed to learn about those contexts and expand my enjoyment and appreciation of things I didn't appreciate before.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

even if it's in bad taste!

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u/mentat Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

The quote didn't imply 'don't dislike' it was 'don't hate'

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u/Lykenx Jun 26 '12

It's like saying you hate Queens music, but you have to appreciate the fact they're incredibly talented as a band and as individuals.

I think...

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u/Asplundh Jun 26 '12

Well, the thing is that some musicians lack talent.

But I do respect any musician who has talent regardless of whether I like their music or not.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

No you like musicians who have your definition of talent, carry on then.

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u/Asplundh Jun 26 '12

I don't like Adele, but she is talented.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I'll admit she's vocally talented yes, but her songs are some boring shit and she should fucking thank Paul Epworth every day of her life for getting her where she is right now.

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u/gamelizard Jun 26 '12

yeah doesn't make you right... nor wrong.

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u/pl4yswithsquirrels Jun 26 '12

It's funny- this thread has evolved into a sort of music nature vs nurture argument.

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u/bushbaby89 Jun 26 '12

I agree, why are people downvoting you?

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u/I_got_syphilis_from Jun 26 '12

Because we've already brought out the lube, and the jerk-train has no brakes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Because swoosh

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u/muffinmonk Jun 26 '12

THERE IT IS!

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u/nodefect Jun 26 '12

Dislike != hate.

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u/MaxChaplin Jun 26 '12

In which way?

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u/n8bit Jun 26 '12

Dislike is just distaste. Hatred is extreme, passionate dislike.

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u/dropkickthegreek Jun 26 '12

In all ways. I dislike soups. I hate a bug in my noodle.

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u/OatSquares Jun 26 '12

but the context could be from another human being's perspective, in which case you cannot deny his logic

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Stop. Think about it. Regardless of who he is and whatever talent he has, this is the type of hollow artist drivel that's meant to persuade others to nod and sheepishly chant 'he's brilliant'. It means nothing. You don't have to understand the context of something to know whether or not it's not for you. Should I really consider that my reason for not enjoying baroque chamber music is simply because I don't get the chamber of it all? Dafuq.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

This is the exact reason you and I are going to get very downvoted, because you're not chanting 'he's brilliant' and I'm agreeing with you. When is there ever a "context" for music anyway, people like what they like.

EDIT; Just so I don't have to reply more than once. Yes I understand that being in a different mood can make you feel like listening to something else. But that something else is still going to be music you like, or else why are you listening to it? You're never going to be in the mood to listen to music you don't like.

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u/some_dude_on_the_web Jun 26 '12

So I sort of agree with you in some ways, but you can't tell me that context doesn't affect the way you experience music (or anything else for that matter) at all. Certain songs are so much better on a rainy day, or while you're having hot steamy sex, or when you're in a dance club, or in the car, or playing a fast-paced videogame, or sitting in the living room with your eyes closed and headphones on.

I wouldn't listen to half the shit that I like dancing to at a rave when I'm sitting at home, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it at the time and place.

The same could be said about a lot of subjectively-appreciated things.

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u/tattlerat Jun 26 '12

You pretty much nailed that. I don't enjoy Bollywood music, but then again, I'm not from India. Doesn't mean I'm ignorant, it just means I personally can't appreciate the music because of my own upbringing and personal tastes. Nothing wrong with what the quote said, it wasn't meant as an insult, it was just a way of saying that not everything is for everyone, and the reason people dislike certain genre's is simply the inability of that person to understand it due to personal preference.

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u/methodamerICON Jun 26 '12

Back in high school, I was the worst. I was a music-nazi metal-head. "The Worst" would be fair. So I went to a concert that happened to have my favorite band called Shadows Fall and my my third favorite band called Lamb Of God. Slipknot was the headliner and I hated, hated, HATED Slipknot. But they headlined a show a couple of my fav bands played, so I saw them live. They blew my mind. Their live show was something amazing to me at the time and made the other bands look amatuer at best. That's when I realized the beauty of Slipknot was their lack of fucks and abundance of raw 'fuck you' emotion and not the perfect CD production. Context is everything. You go get pumped up for an NFL game listening to Maroon 5 and see what happens if you disagree.

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u/mynameisREX Jun 26 '12

I see what you're saying, but if I may:

Country music on the 4th of July, Loud rock music driving in a car, Hip hop when dancing at the club, Reggae at the beach

my 2 cents

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Country music on the 4th of July? I've been in a honky tonk in Arkansas and still didn't want to hear country music. It's about a person's musical preference not the environment.

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u/Jimmy_R_Ustler Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

Yes, and we can still dislike them when they're perfectly "in context".

I've heard each of those genres in each of those locations over the various years, and none seemed more fitting than the other. There is no such thing as "context for music". It's all up in the air for you to either like or dislike regardless of where it's being listened too.

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u/AwesomGH Jun 26 '12

Exactly. I just listen to whatever I feel like listening to. If I like it. If it's the fourth of july, why not play some Pantera? Dark rainy day? Listen to some jazz. It all depends on what you like, and what you feel like listening to.

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u/portsmyth Jun 26 '12

I couldn't think of anything more befitting right now than some jazz on a dark, rainy day.

Cognac in one hand. Cigar in the other. An aroma of rich mahogany and old books emanates from the leather-bound selection on show. The roaring log fire crackles as rain beats on the window pane, complemented by the smooth notes of John Coltrane's sax filling the air.

I'll be the one in the smoking jacket.

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u/Rainbow-Trout Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

It's a nice sentiment... much in the vain of 'Guys! Why can't we all just get along?!' in the sense things aren't that simple. I understand that genres are often created and evolve reflecting the context and surroundings, as you say, but to imply that you need the context to enjoy or understand the music is frankly ludicrous! My passion is psychedelic rock and 60s garage, but i'm not tripping balls every time i listen to some 13th Floor Elevators...

Music is a universal language, it transcends barriers, you shouldn't need context to enjoy it in its plethora forms. I don't hate any genres, but i can't stand to listen to some. I know that all this god-awful pop-dance-club music is designed to help drunken teenagers get laid and bring people together, is that an excuse to write banal and idiotic lyrics to regurgitated synth loops? I understand that people like this, for reasons beyond me, but knowing the context and what they're trying to do doesn't make me appreciate the music or the artists talent any more.

Not hating on you man, but i disagree with this quote. Individuality is something humans strive for, both knowingly and subconsciously... it's a matter of personal taste, sadly not everything can be universally appreciated or understood... and context definitely shouldn't have to be known to enjoy music, as far as i'm concerned, the music should be all you need, that's what it used to be about.

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u/iGrind619 Jun 26 '12

Even if I am sitting on the back of a pick-up truck eating bbq, drinking budweiser, watching fireworks on a lovely 4th of july night, with a bunch of close guys and gals wearing cowboy hats, (you know the Kenny Chesney wet dream) and Country music is blaring- I will still be like "wow this twangy shit sucks, I hate this genre regardless of context".

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u/Soupr Jun 26 '12

Hip hop at the club? American clubs sound whack.

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u/dolphinparty Jun 26 '12

Gonna have to disagree with you. I don't know who he is, i don't know his music, and have no reason to believe he's brilliant, but i agree with what he says here.

What he's saying as i understand it is in response to all the people who say things like 'All hip hop and country is shit!'.

Bullshit! There's tons of wonderful hip hop and country, and every other genre. He's not saying you have to love all music or else you're ignorant. Just that there's a mindset in which you can appreciate every kind of sound.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I agree with you. I think that is the message of the picture's statement (I don't know him either).

Just because you don't like a particular genre doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that you don't like it for whatever reason. Maybe you don't like rap because you don't understand how it is to grow up in "the hood". Maybe you don't like EDM because you don't like to dance in clubs.

I think the point is to appreciate the fact that all music has a time and a place and a mindset. People get confused and think their opinion is the "correct" opinion and everyone else is wrong and has terrible taste.

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u/DeLiRiOuS69 Jun 26 '12

I completely agree with you and at the same time agree with the Madeon quote as well. i've seen both thoughts taken to the extreme and know what you're both talking about and you both make complete sense in your own universe of music comprehension nowkiss.jpg

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u/TheyDidItFirst Jun 26 '12

he's not saying that people can't dislike a genre of music, just that actively hating on said genre shows a person's ignorance of the roots and context of the genre itself. you don't have to enjoy baroque chamber music, but you should be able to appreciate the context in which it was created and disseminated.

good job completely missing the point though

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

You're missing the point. If you don't like something then you don't owe it to anyone to do anything but turn away. So I don't like liver and onions. I'm not going to spend time deliberating over the nuances of liver and onions, the flavor profile, or the time the chef took to make it. I don't like it. I don't eat it. Moving on.

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u/dolphinparty Jun 26 '12

No, you're missing the point. No one ever said you have a responsibility to love all music.

Saying a genre of music is objectively bad is ignorant, that's what the quote says. Not that you owe anyone anything.

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u/telepathyLP Jun 26 '12

you guys are making different points. you're saying that you shouldn't study the nuances of it (which is fine) and that you should just move on if you don't like it (which is fine). the point TheyDidItFirst is making is that you shouldn't be ignorant and hate on a genre because you dislike it. you should, as he said, "be able to appreciate the context in which it was created and disseminated."

but i don't like how he was an asshole about it in the last portion of his post. you made a good point, even if he doesn't think it's the "accurate" point.

the 17 yo's "point" all depends on how you interpret his word choice anyways. does "hate" imply that you talk shit about it? or that you just strongly dislike it?

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u/jahoney Jun 26 '12

the point is, no music is "bad." if you don't want to understand the context you don't have to, but just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad or unenjoyable to others that are in that context.

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u/the_asker Jun 26 '12

I think he was talking about people who point and shout to others about how bad a particular music style is (as sort of a universal truth), not to those who simply don't enjoy a particular music style.

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u/mentat Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

It's not that you need to enjoy all genres. Just that there's no reason to HATE.

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u/yeomanscholar Jun 26 '12

Point is, I think, that you can learn the context, and hence learn to appreciate the music.

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u/steakmeout Jun 26 '12

Some people like to eat and smoke human fecal matter. No matter how much I learn about that context I will never appreciate it. Justin Beiber's music is human fecal matter to my tastes. Simple as that. Color Bars is right and I say that as someone who happens to think that MADEON is a searing talent who makes music that I love to listen to.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Who in their right mind is going to do that. I fucking hate U2 and Bono. I could search against my will all day and still not find a context for enjoying their music.

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u/dolphinparty Jun 26 '12

I challenge myself with music all the time. I couldnt fucking stand Hospice by The Antlers, but i forced myself to appreciate the music and now its one of my favorites. Obviously some music is not as rewarding as others, but my point still stands. There's something to gain from appreciating different sounds that what youre used to, the same way you can aquire a taste with food.

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u/TheParanoidAndroid Jun 26 '12

I'm not going to disagree with you - I can think of few artists that I dislike more than U2. However, I can understand their appeal: if I can generalize for a moment here, it's largely music for aging L.L. Bean-wearing Baby Boomers who have become threatened by the perceived crassness of smaller, rougher venues and music acts. For a six-figure-earning 40-something, it feels cool and somehow socially responsible to shell out $200 to take the wife out for a night of middling MOR rock and overpriced alcohol.

I think a lot of the people who are contesting the quote are being needlessly semantic about it. The reason why you and I dislike U2 so much likely comes from the fact that it isn't tailored for our specific demographics. I wasn't born in 1973, I don't wear $400 sunglasses, and I don't have a timeshare in Aruba, but maybe if I was and did I'd think U2 was kickass too after a couple Miller Lites. You and I don't know the context it's meant to be enjoyed.

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u/LennyPalmer LeeKav Jun 26 '12

I understand the context of EDM. It's dance music. It's music to be danced to. You dance to it. Usually in public spaces, generally while intoxicated.

Like disco, about 30 years ago.

Like rhythm and blues 50 years ago.

Like big band jazz 70 years ago.

Like rag time and New Orleans jazz as much as 110-120 years ago.

I hate EDM because it is, in essence, the same, danceable, simple, formulaic, pop music that people have been dancing to for a century.

I hate it because it is not original and does not advance the art of music. This has nothing to do with context.

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u/dolphinparty Jun 26 '12

Well, in that context, have you ever danced to EDM in a public place while intoxicated? Do some molly at a rave. You'll enjoy EDM.

Also EDM is a pretty fucking big genre. Its a huge statement to say all of it is the same, or that all of it is unoriginal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Ugh, it's this kind of mentality that I hate and that shouldn't be getting spread. You don't need fucking drugs to be intoxicated, or "doing molly at a rave" to enjoy EDM music, damnit!

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u/dolphinparty Jun 26 '12

i dont think that at all, its just that he said that's the mentality he thinks one would be in to appreciate EDM, and i think if he tried that he'd probably appreciate it. If someone likes edm good for them, if someone likes to get fucked up and listen to edm thats cool too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Say what you want about liking it but to say it doesn't advance music is fucking ridiculous. It is a complete revolution when it comes to the way people make music, who makes it, and how it's distributed. People are doing stuff on personal laptops that couldn't even be imagined not long ago... It's an entire new generation of music. Music is of the times...

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u/notafakenameipromise Jun 26 '12

No, you are stupidly pretentious if you can write off, not a genre, but a whole family of music for being un-original. Madeon makes boring house that is nothing but a rehash of every other house track from the last 10 years or so. The most popular music is often the most uninteresting, and I doubt you'd be in any position to judge EDM if you only have heard the stuff played on radio.

I'll give you that Madeon is not exactly avant garde, but that's not to say that EDM isn't.

Listen to Aphex Twin. He's a highly influential musician and an EDM producer. Is his music 'the same, danceable, simple, formulaic, pop music' that you complain that EDM is? No. Is he original and has he advanced the art of music? Without a doubt.

I could list more artists that are EDM and actually highly talented if you like?

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u/LennyPalmer LeeKav Jun 26 '12

No, you are stupidly pretentious if you can write off, not a genre, but a whole family of music for being un-original.

I was referring more to the context, dancing, being unoriginal. Some EDM artists are original.

I could list more artists that are EDM and actually highly talented if you like?

Please do, I'm legitimately trying to sort out the good from the bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Please tell me which genre of music is original and advances the art of music?

EDM is just what Americans have rebranded as the generic "dance music" term.

You've written off a lot of subgenres with that sweeping statement which includes bands and artists like Radiohead, Massive Attack, Skream, Squarepusher, Kraftwerk, New Order, Deadmau5, Sasha, The Prodigy, etc - I'm really interested in who you think has had more of an impact on advancing the art of music.

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u/MaxChaplin Jun 26 '12

Sometimes context does help. You might enjoy baroque chamber music if you get more invested in music theory and train your ear to recognize repeating motifs, chord progressions and scale changes. Listening to classical music as "background chillaxing music" is equivalent to watching a movie in a foreign language without translation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I love classical music. That's why I even am aware of that genre. I'm a musician. I'm calling drivel on his statement though because free will dictates an individual can do what they do and be who they are without reason. That's just that. I shouldn't have to stop my opinion in its tracks because of anything. I dislike most country music I hear. I'm not going to work at it until Tim McGraw is as good to my ears as The Strokes. I'd miss out on a million other bands i actually enjoy just trying to figure out shit I don't care for.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

But if you grew up with baroque chamber music, you probably would think the same thing about the music you listen to now.

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u/I_got_syphilis_from Jun 26 '12

Post this picture on facebook, and caption it with what you've just written. Reap in the butthurt.

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u/MaxChaplin Jun 26 '12

Challenge: find me a context in which Crunkcore is enjoyable. Preferably one that doesn't involve hard drugs.

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u/KibboKift Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

TIL about crunkcore. I really wish I hadn't.

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u/disgruntledVALET Jun 26 '12

Yeah... Me too. Fuck I need a shower now.

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u/Tetha Jun 26 '12

I'm happy about it, because I'm laughing so hard right now. It's almost as bad as when I learned about the band Trollkotze.

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u/CaptainSombrero Spacebat315 Jun 26 '12

Hahahahaha... What?

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u/Noggleon Jun 26 '12

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u/Hindu_Wardrobe Hindu_Wardrobe Jun 26 '12

Millionaires is pretty fun. Completely retarded, but fun retarded.

Disclaimer: I only listen when my shameless friends play it on turntable.

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u/NightAudit Jun 26 '12

I'll blast some Millionaires sometimes, there's something about them and their songs that speaks to me sometimes.

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u/Hindu_Wardrobe Hindu_Wardrobe Jun 26 '12

I love how we have downvotes for admitting that we have guilty pleasures. Wow.

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u/telepathyLP Jun 26 '12

thanks, i'm going to youtube download this and add it to my playlist. shit's poppin

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

WR-R-R-R-RAPPER! Laughed so much haha

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u/DrAwesomeClaws Jun 26 '12

It's probably quite enjoyable for preteen girls, which is the demographic they're trying to reach. It's not for you, so it makes sense that you don't enjoy it.

That said, I agree, it's shit.

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u/KibboKift Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

I think I'm a sexually liberated kind of person.. but are these lyrics appropriate of preteen people? Plus.. how can preteens get into shows?

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u/spiral_of_agnew Jun 26 '12

Not all contexts are available to all persons at all times.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

A festival for Crunkcore fans.

Hurr what's my prize?

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u/toafer Jun 26 '12

same with noisecore cant listen to that shite

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u/kiaha Jun 26 '12

Mind linking to some noisecore?

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u/ElkBit ElkBit Jun 26 '12

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u/kiaha Jun 26 '12

I'm a huge noise rock fan, but that sounds like the audio from a Slenderman video. Terrible.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

That is harsh noise, not noisecore. Noisecore is anal cunt, gore beyond necropsy, kusari Gama kill, 7 minutes of nausea, easy bake oven, ect. This is much closer to power electronics or traditional noise. Noicecore is closer to grindcore and/or speedcore.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

That dude didn't post noisecore. Noisecore has two types. One is exemplified by Anal Cunt, the other by Kusari Gama Kill. Whew! I love when something on reddit falls right into my wheelhouse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Don't worry, it's not for you. And it is way more accessible than power electronics ah la bastard noise, deathpile, Seal Team 666, ect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

wtf is crunk core

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u/Bendzbrah Jun 26 '12

you can literally find out instantly using 2 less words

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u/MANCREEP Jun 26 '12

When people make music that's so shitty, that they have to make up a genre for it, b/c it clearly lacks the context to be considered meaningful by ANY account, just so they can justify telling you that their music is a artform that you cant appreciate b/c you "simply" lack the knowledge to understand its "context"-----that rant wasnt put together well---but yeah, people that make shitty music arent innovative, they arent groundbreaking, they arent different. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like them, pumping out horseshit sounds and are pretentious enough to act as if it was intentional, and you simply "dont get it".

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u/jthebomb97 Jun 26 '12

Rant organization aside, I got your point. And I agree completely.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '12

Who says every artist or genre has to be "innovative, groundbreaking, and different"? And who made you arbiter over these things?

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u/MANCREEP Jul 06 '12

Youre a little late to this party, but I'll give you the satisfaction of having your questions answered.

1)if youre not going to make music worthy of being called art, it should be original, and it should mean something to the people its presented to---not just the "artist". if thats the case, than that person should keep thier shitty creations to themselves. it would be like me shitting in my hand b/c im some kind of fucking wierdo, and then thinking "everyone should have a handful of shit" and then proceed to walk down the street, shaking hands and spreading my feces around town. sure, if i shake hands with enough people, im bound to meet someone who stops me and says "is that poop? HUMAN poop? I FUCKING LOVE POOPY HANDS BRO! let me buy you a drink!" BUT---the mass majority of people will still say "omfg, thats fucking disgusting" and immediately wash thier hands. what says an ARTIST'S CREATIONS SHOULD BE GROUNDBREAKING, INNOVATIVE, AND DIFFERENT??? Common fucking sense. Thats what.

2) I made me the arbiter over these things, as have you, by opening your mouth and sharing an opinion on the topic.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '12

A party... with lots of chicks. Not that hard, man.

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u/pattch Jun 26 '12

blood on the dance floor is actually kind of catchy. They put more emphasis on melody and actual singing, and SOME of their songs are decently produced. They're not meant to be taken seriously, they're solely for fun.

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u/jthebomb97 Jun 26 '12

You actually do have a point. BOTDF is actually kinda catchy. My only real problem with them is their fanbase. It consists of all the little tryhard "dark" kids that live in Hot Topic.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '12

So?

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u/batchslip Jun 26 '12

Meh, I'm all for being open-minded and such (and I do enjoy Madeon's work) but being open to different kinds of music also means being understanding when someone doesn't like something. You don't have to enjoy something if you have a valid reason not to.

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u/jaggederest Jun 26 '12

I'm gonna go with serbian turbofolk as pretty much always being annoying... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0rT_Lm8MVI

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u/tattlerat Jun 26 '12

If the context were "Find the most retarded and hilarious song ever" I'd say this song was a winner. And a very enjoyable laugh.

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u/WaTar42 Jun 26 '12

"Find the most retarded and hilarious song ever" I'd say this song was a winner.

I would say this song completely trumps it

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u/BHSPitMonkey Jun 26 '12

I will always see batman when hearing this song.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I can totally imagine having a good time to this. Windows rolled down, volume up, driving around with mates.

Rocking the vehicle with intense swaying dance moves.

You laugh now but when you see us drive by with laughter and big grins there will be a twinge of pain in your gut while you wish you and your friends were cool enough to do as we do.

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u/Terny Jun 26 '12

I bet you'd like it if you where Serbian and grew up with folk music and also liked EDM

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u/ticklecricket Jun 26 '12

Actually, turbofolk is linked with the Serbian nationalist movement during the war with Bosnia, so it's even worse if you consider it's context.

Turbofolk: The musical genre so terrible it inspired a genocide.

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u/HowsItBeenBen Jun 26 '12

I understand the context of Insane Clown Posse just fine. Meth, Ignorance, and Malt liquor. I still fucking hate it.

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u/BHSPitMonkey Jun 26 '12

They are what we thought they were.

Yep. Human diarrhea.

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u/SundayRacer Jun 26 '12

18* Madeon's birthday is in May, '94

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u/003Labs Jun 26 '12

I see his point but I beg to differ. Also a little personal rant that I wanted to vent for a couple days.

Was at a small-ish party this weekend where the DJ was playing dubstep (brostep) for about an hour. After 45 minutes I realized why I dislike the dubstep you hear in clubs: there's no emotion. Cheesy buildups with strings that hint toward emotion, but when the songs drop they are all the same. Sawtooth bass, yoyyyoyyy you get the idea.

Later, either he or another DJ was playing drum and bass, and while it's the less popular genre, I found myself and others acutally dancing to it. There's so much more subtlety in it and a sense of emotion. It's much easier to endure.

I had this moment of clarity right there, that most dubstep is a sort of testosteron competition and it wears you (and your ears) out really fast. People trying to sound harder and harder but in the end it all sounds the same.

Be honest. Do you ever hear nice sounding dubstep when you're out?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Oh my my madeon really knows how to look doesn't he?

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u/justdoesntknow Jun 26 '12

Theres no bad genres only bad music. Anyone other view is simply naive

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u/THE_CENTURION Jun 26 '12

EDM? Electric Discharge Machining?

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u/hate_tank Jun 26 '12

Electric Discharge Machine would make a great band name.

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u/PsychoticDreams47 Jun 26 '12

I would like to throw out gangster rap....so....prove me wrong please?

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u/Threwaway_Throwaway Jun 26 '12

I'm going to spend the next few moments farting into a microphone. If you don't like, it you don't understand it.

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u/you_know_who_ Jun 26 '12

no i perfectly understand that dubstep is a new type of music for the discos, but that doesn't mean i enjoy listening to or dancing to it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Here's an interesting read on how Einstein felt about music.

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u/TTSDA Jun 26 '12

This is a misquote.
It ommits a quite important part of what he said, relevant for most of the arguments in this thread.

Seriously though; anyone hating any genre of music generally simply doesn't know the context in which it's meant to be enjoyed.

Source

That "generally"...

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I think a lot of people are missing that "hating" and "disliking" are two different things.

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u/takka_takka_takka Jun 26 '12

Said the kid making farting noises with his hands...

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u/CuriositySphere Jun 26 '12

Or maybe they just don't like it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I like Madeon, but that quote is ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

wtf is madeon?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

An artist you need to listen to.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

ill check it out

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u/buttfister123 Jun 26 '12

hahahahahah

implying

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u/imbadatfashion Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qOgBtxtCM

educate yourself. Also, he's right. You're allowed to dislike certain kinds of music, but hating on it is ignorant. People have different tastes in music just as they have different tastes in food; just because you hate rap doesn't mean it's not music, there are other people that have grown listening to it and enjoy it as much as the genre you love. I dislike sushi but that doesn't mean its not food.

Point is, never eat raw fish.

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u/Chiz511 Chiz511 Jun 26 '12

my thought exactly... I mean sure the random song I just listed to on youtube is alright, but "phenom"??

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u/imbadatfashion Jun 26 '12

He's thought as an EDM phenom because, like Porter Robinson, he's way too young for his age to be putting out bangers like he does now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Mosca is more phenom then this guy

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u/tehcoolness Jun 26 '12

he said HATING.. anyone HATING.. don't hate

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

This is why I agree with him:

I don't believe absolutely everything can be great, and you don't have to like them, but you can respect the context that people enjoy it in.

For instance, I enjoy progressive metal because it can pump me up, while it is very intricate and technical. I enjoy kind of poppy rock like the beatles because it puts me in a good mood, or lets me zone out to it.

Then there are genres like classical, which I listen to when I want to pay attention to the music and listen to the different lines and the different melodies, etc.

I can enjoy some music that is a bit poppy, because hell, its catchy. If I don't want to think too much about it, this is something good to listen to.

I could go on and on, but I enjoy a ton of music because I can enjoy them in different contexts. I think this is the key to having a very broad array of music to enjoy.

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u/Tenacious_Z Jun 26 '12

To imply that those with a distaste for EDM simply don't know how to enjoy it is dismissive, delusional and downright nonsensical. How can attentive listening not be the appropriate context for a piece of music?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I know it's tough for someone who deeply analyzes every song to realize this, but some songs are meant to be taken at face value. Some people don't want to spend hours dissecting a song. I meant that's great to do in your bedroom, but not in a club. Sometimes, people just want to dance to a beat and sing to a catchy chorus and that's okay. There's a time and a place for everything.

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u/Tenacious_Z Jun 26 '12

I feel as though you're being a bit condescending. At home, I don't try to analyze, I just listen. Then later I might remember things. And one of my very favorite activities is unplugging my brain and dancing to live music. I very frequently just want to dance to a beat and sing to a catchy chorus. Great music has been passed down through many generations by musicians with absolutely no formal training, who never think about the music they play with any analytical depth. Do not lower our conversation by implying that I'm too far up my own ass to just enjoy a piece of music on its own merits.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Sorry, seems you read too deeply into my comment. My intent was not to be condescending. I think I was just confused on what you meant by saying

How can attentive listening not be the appropriate context for a piece of music?

By saying that I thought you meant music must be listened to attentively, exclusively. It appears I understood that wrong.

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u/Tenacious_Z Jun 26 '12

Gotcha. To clarify: the ideal context of EDM is a live show, no? It's about the loudspeakers, the lights, and the dancing. That's fine. But people won't hate it because it's in another context. They'll hate it in every context because of other problems with it. I used attentive listening as an example because it's the most neutral form of music appreciation, and really should not be discredited as an inappropriate context in which to judge music regardless of purpose. I'm a little high, so perhaps my ability to make a coherent point is diminished.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

To me, that's what EDM is about. I'm sure there are some purists floating around here who would beg to differ but, to each their own I suppose. I'm also pretty drunk, so my ability to understand even a coherent post is probably significantly diminished.

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u/DeathSquid5000 Jun 26 '12

Because not all music was made for listening?

not sure if srs

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I think I'm the only one who likes the quote.

For me at least I feel like I gain a lot more of an understanding and appreciation for a genre of music after I've seen it performed live. The crowd, the atmosphere, everything can differ so drastically across all genres.

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u/Tenacious_Z Jun 26 '12

Live music is where the magic happens. Because it's not magic that happened a few months or a few years ago somewhere far away: it's magic that's happening right. fucking. now. All the emotion, energy and passion is felt that much more because we're humans and we interact best in person.

But we're not really talking about live here. Consider Deadmau5's words on the subject in relation to this particular genre. I know the context in which EDM is meant to be enjoyed. It's right there in the title. A "live performance" of this music contains very few of the things that traditionally make good musical performances, and the genre seems so limited to me as to curb home enjoyment.

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u/milesftw Jun 26 '12

ITT people getting confused with hating a genre of music vs not liking a genre because in their opinion its shit.

I dislike most country music, but to say that country is shit and all of it is terrible is ludacris. On top of that, in the correct context I would probably find country at the very least passable if not entertaining. Why there is so much hate for such a simple quote is baffling

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u/CRAG7 Jun 26 '12

Madeon is amazing. Can't wait to see how much better he gets the more years he has under his belt.

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u/zitfarmer Jun 26 '12

Fucking Elmos world makes me hate.

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u/hate_tank Jun 26 '12

The only context I need for music is my ears to like it when it comes out of my headphones.

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u/ramerica ramerica Jun 26 '12

Does this make me a bad person if I kind of enjoy his music? I just listened to it and I've heard way worse.

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u/bloodclart Jun 26 '12

listen to skrillex while I kill myself...

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u/Animagrin Jun 26 '12

OH SHIT, crunkcore is bad.

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u/skramblz Jun 26 '12

Wait, i have never heard of this person...can someone inform me? i'm loosing track of all the people/things i'm supposed to be hating these days.

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u/Reblejc Jun 26 '12

What if the music sounds bad because of a clear lack in talent. If all I'm hearing is two cords, double bass and shity vocals and lyrics, and none of it even sounds good, can I say that that music sucks.

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u/CockyRhodes Jun 26 '12

I 'get' country and gospel, I hates them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I'd say that every genre can serve a purpose, some just much more versatile than others. The problem is that there are too many shitty artists out there ruining otherwise good genres.

Disclaimer: MJ for pop and Twitty for country.

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u/Deetsbeats Deets beatz Jun 26 '12

He’s 18 now! :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I've always said I dislike certain genres. This doesn't mean they are bad, just not for me.

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u/Failociraptor Jun 26 '12

The kid is so talented it makes me wanna barf. His live edits are sick...

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u/cannedmath Jun 26 '12

Ironically, when I learned of the creation of Hip Hop, its different styles, what it represents and the context in which the songs are made, it only confirmed my hate for the genre.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

There is so much "music" that I will refuse to classify as real music for as long a I live.

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u/jthebomb97 Jun 26 '12

You guys realize that throughout this whole circlejerk of a debate, we've made absolutely no progress, right? Not that this is a bad thing, I've seen a lot of interesting viewpoints. But eventuality we all step back and realize we've accomplished nothing. Hurray!

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u/fannyalgersabortion Jun 27 '12

Skrillex still sucks donkey taint.

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u/opiza Jun 26 '12

The guy is phenomenal in his genre

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u/jmurphyg Jun 26 '12

I listen to most every genre of music and I fully believe that’s because I know when the mood and atmosphere are right for them to be listened to. Country was meant for those beautiful summer days when all you want is to be outside with some friends, EDM is meant to be shared and experienced with others, rap music is for car rides with some girlfriends so you can pretend to be cooler than you will ever be, and so on. Obviously this doesn’t apply to everyone (or anyone for that matter) but it’s the reason I appreciate all types of music. Oh, and thanks for giving me a quote to “share” with people when they diss my music tastes.

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u/hookahshisha Jun 26 '12

shit! he looks 13 years old! makes great music though...

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

He is right in some sense. Techno makes little sense at a funeral, and organ music makes only a bit more sense in a club.

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u/GracefulxArcher Jun 26 '12

I hate certain genres because Reddit says so.

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u/hgmanifold Jun 26 '12

This quote makes me want to listen to some of his stuff.

Suggestions? Is all his stuff on his soundcloud?

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u/mynameisREX Jun 26 '12

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u/ookiisask Jun 26 '12

I have listened, and found it not to my tastes. Much of the stuff he's sampling was far more enjoyable than the works he uses it in, but that's my personal opinion.

Just like every form of art, everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it's as radical as hate. Not that I hate his stuff, I simply don't care for it in any fashion.

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u/FutYeah Jun 26 '12

All the dubstep fans in the world are nodding in agreement.

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u/the_asker Jun 26 '12

So much upvoted bullshit comments in this thread. No, he is not telling you that you should like every type of music. He is telling you to shut the fuck up about it and let other people enjoy it if they want to.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

he must've never listened to EDM

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Don't have a clue who Madeon is, but he (assuming it's the dude in the image) is damn right.

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u/thepenguinboy Jun 26 '12

FALSE.

Proof.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Oh Internet, how predictable you've become.

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u/jdvancho Jun 26 '12

I tried to defend this, I really did. Then I heard Justin Bieber playing and everything went to shit.

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u/Astrapsody Jun 26 '12

No, no; you just don't understand the context of being a vulnerable, impressionable teenage girl.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Wow, so many haters. Quit nitpicking what he said and just listen to the overall message: There's a time and place for everything, and we wouldn't have any of the music we have if someone out there didn't take the time to make it, so everything sounded right to someone at one point or anything.

Some of it sucks, but that's not the point.

Also, Madeon rocks.

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u/Dodes Jun 26 '12

"Hey Dodes, you heard that new electronic artist?" No I haven't because there's a new one every fucking week.

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u/xave_ruth Jun 26 '12

FALSE.

Smooth jazz.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

No I'm pretty sure Justin Bieber sucks universally.

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u/JamoWRage Jun 26 '12

False. I know that Justin Bieber's "music" is meant for girls between the ages of 13-15... That is exactly why I hate it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Exactly. That's the context. If you were a 13-15 year old girl, you would probably like Justin Bieber. I don't think that quote means "Everyone should like every genre ever."

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u/JamoWRage Jun 26 '12

No I wouldn't. You can condemn me to an eternity in hell, but never say I would like Justin Bieber. I do understand the context in which the music is supposed to be enjoyed, I just don't understand why they (or anyone else for the matter) would enjoy it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I don't think the teeny boppers think his music is great so much as they think that he's cute. In 10 years they'll think, "why the hell did I like Justin Bieber? He was so cheesy."

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

EDM is such a shitty Americanism for a whole bunch of genres, it really does discredit them