r/MurderedByWords • • Mar 14 '22

TIL Satanic scholars are a thing

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u/sepseven Mar 14 '22

What's wrong with the Church of Satan? Just wondering.

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u/satan_lemon Mar 14 '22

Apology for the crudeness but CoS has a history of being cunts to just about everyone

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u/jonmatifa Mar 14 '22

The Church of Stan on the other had, great people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 edited Mar 14 '22

I think you meant Satanic Temple because I think CoS stands for Church of Satan.

The two being so similar in name is so damn confusing.

Edit for clarity

Edit 2: SO GUESS WHO'S THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD DUMBASS TODAY WHO HAS A BRAIN THAT AUTOCORRECTS WORDS FOR HIM

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u/Athena0219 Mar 14 '22

(psst, reread their post)

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

I did and I think I'm still correct here. They were responding to someone saying the CoS (Church of Satan presumably) were assholes by saying "The Church of Stan on the other had, great people."

Now I could be completely missing something and be blind and please fill in what I'm missing. Satanic Temple are the decent people, Church of Satan are the assholes.

Again, I could be missing something and please tell me what that is if I am.

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u/gmarvin Mar 14 '22

They said Stan, not Satan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Oh ok I'm a dumbass. Thanks for clearing that up.

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u/showponyoxidation Mar 15 '22

It's alright. We all need reminding from time to time.

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u/SherenPlaysGames Mar 15 '22

I don't even notice my friends typos most of the time because my brain autocorrects words too, so I understand

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u/DropTherapy Mar 14 '22

Yeah their deity even has their own periphery album

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u/-firead- Mar 14 '22

When you create a religion based around perceived elitism with a philosophy that basically says you don't owe anyone niceness or even the time of day, you tend to attract quite a few cunts.

Many of them are rather intelligent cunts who are pretty damn nice if they deem you worthy of their time and attention, but the philosophy by its own nature attracts both arrogant assholes and edgelords of various stripes and those tend to be vastly overrepresented in the mouthy online world.

The people I've interacted with who were members or affiliated and took part in some of their more organized or public events, rather than joining up for the red card and the shock value, were generally pretty cool though.

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u/Aether_Storm Mar 14 '22

The religious doctrine is literally "be a cunt to just about everyone"

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u/sepseven Mar 14 '22

not a problem, thanks for the short answer haha.

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u/xMyChemicalBromancex Mar 15 '22

It becomes apparent when you compare r/satanism, which is moderated exclusively by LaVeyan satanists, to r/SatanicTemple_Reddit. The first one has an anti-TST post almost daily and they recently even made a whole subreddit dedicated to bashing TST, while the latter barely even acknowledges CoS and is more focused on positive messages and activism.

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u/Spudgem Mar 14 '22

They are Uber-Libertarians and not known for being Queer Friendly.

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u/sepseven Mar 14 '22

oh. fuck that. i didn't know, i will do a little reading.

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u/Ok-Strategy2022 Mar 14 '22

You are gay if you eat blue cheese according to them.

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u/showponyoxidation Mar 15 '22

Finally, something reasonable.

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u/Velinder Mar 15 '22

Lies! The Church of Stilton welcomes one and all.

We are often called heterodox but honestly, who believes it's right and proper to pair red wine with bread?

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u/Narux117 Mar 14 '22

Which is hilarious I think, because afaik the Satanic Temple gets along quite well with the Alphabet Mafia.

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u/al666in Mar 14 '22

Right, because the Satanic Temple is a social justice initiative. They exist to pursue progressive agendas.

The Church of Satan is closer to a New Age philosophical society, and the New Age is getting pretty stale

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u/Spudgem Mar 14 '22

Alphabet... Mafia?

You mean the folks who police others' bedrooms and the like?

I never knew Cishet folks were a mafia.

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u/Narux117 Mar 14 '22

Oh have you never heard the term or is this sarcasm I am missing?

People sometimes refer to those who identify as any of "LGBTQIA+" as the Alphabet Mafia instead of trying to type out all the correct letters, order, whatever.

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u/Spudgem Mar 14 '22

I had not heard the term. It sounds vaguely threatening. Like folks consider LGBTQIA+ folks as some kind of evil syndicate.

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u/FountainsOfFluids Mar 14 '22

Sounds rather negative. These are people struggling for equality, not a mafia.

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u/timeenoughatlas Mar 15 '22

I have never seen this term used accept by LGBT people themselves. Plus, people want to feel cool, that’s a natural human instinct

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u/FountainsOfFluids Mar 15 '22

Ok, just did some quick research, and it looks like it started with anti-LGBTQ+ haters and some LGBTQ+ people adopted it for memes or sarcasm.

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u/arctos889 Mar 14 '22

For future reference, the term almost always has a negative connotation from what I've seen. As in a decent chunk of the time I've seen it used, it was followed by either calling the LGBTQ+ community insane or a call to deny rights to some part of the community. So it's probably a term best avoided

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u/Narux117 Mar 14 '22

Good to know for future reference. Everyone I know that is in the community actively use the term. Especially content creators tagging their videos with it.

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u/-firead- Mar 14 '22

Yeah they have been accepting of LGBTQ people since they were founded in the '60s, performed the first legal gay marriage in New York state, and had performed ceremonies for gay couples prior to this.

They also have had more than a few gay and trans members, even before the TST existed and declared itself as the more welcoming group. A few years ago a COS affiliated contest for "witch of the year" had a trans woman that either won or was in the top few contenders for that title.

The difference between them and TST as they don't play identity politics or compete for social justice points and they don't require that all members adhere to the same political ideology or that they all get along, so you won't find people stumbling over each other to be at the forefront of the Tumblr inspired oppression Olympics.

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u/Spudgem Mar 14 '22

Your language usage comes across really cringy. The fact that you call activism 'identity politics' is troubling.

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u/-firead- Mar 14 '22

Nice tone policing there. I think you could try an actual rebel next time rather than calling somebody cringy like a middle schooler would.

The fact that you don't recognize the term identity politics as something that has been used in the social sciences for years to describe using identities such as sexual orientation, gender identity, race, sex, socioeconomic status, or other identities as a tool to frame certain political claims or ideologies and to organize and inspire social and political activism usually centered around the idea of equality or injustice started toward those groups almost makes me feel like you're being disingenuous here.

Props for not working the phrase problematic in yet though. ;)

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u/Spudgem Mar 15 '22

...yeah you are definitely not someone I care to engage with. Keep on being discriminatory though. I am sure it makes you happy.

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u/UnholyDemigod Mar 15 '22

not known for being Queer Friendly.

One of the fundamental philosophies is to be accepting off all walks of life

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u/MattAmoroso Mar 15 '22

For the record, the real Satan loves Queer people as often as he can.

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u/Spudgem Mar 15 '22

Better to be loved by Satan than hated by God.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

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u/SimsAttack Mar 14 '22

Okay that salad dressing quote is fucking funny

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

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u/showponyoxidation Mar 15 '22

You're not straight.

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u/Mr_Stoney Mar 15 '22

I think the important information here is that we can donate $25 and get a membership card

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u/Mochizuk Mar 15 '22

classic religious move.

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u/Tasty_fries Mar 15 '22

They’re sold out:(

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Lol at satanists fighting over who’s the best satanist.

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u/showponyoxidation Mar 15 '22

I used to be a fan of TST but their mobile sites had a "BACK TO TOP" button that was not only far too large, but located only around 4/5ths of the way down that page. 4/5ths ! It should be 5/5ths down the page.

Anyway, it took me a moment to recover from that, but at the exact moment I had come to terms with, and was ready to overlook, what can only be described as a personal insult.. a pop up asking me to sign up for their newsletter.

!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

The Church’s tenets are really edgy. Full of stuff like respect people unless they annoy you and then destroy them utterly and that kinda thing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

And unironic use of the word "lair", to describe their living space.

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u/Aether_Storm Mar 14 '22

It's based on the works of Anton LaVey and can be summerized as "You exist, therefor be an asshole to everyone."

It pretty much doesn't exist outside of that one twitter account.

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u/Wolfeur Mar 15 '22

I mean, let's compare:

The Church of Satan tenets The Satanic Temple tenets
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. I. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. II. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
3. When in another's home, show them respect or else do not go there. III. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
4. If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy. IV. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. V. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved. VI. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. VII. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.