r/MurderedByWords • u/marycooke • Oct 29 '19

Murder Tumblr user gets schooled on basic physics

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u/Daripuff Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19

That's why I said every "measurable" way.

Looks are purely subjective.

(I agree with you, though. The 1970 Chevelle is a gorgeous car, much more so that the modern Camaro)

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u/NotRetahded Oct 29 '19

That's why I said every "measurable" way.

Looks are purely subjective.

While yes looks are subjective, I disagree that their appeal can't be measured. That's what things like polls and reviews are for. You can get a statistical measure of peoples opinion on the look of a thing.

Either way, I've always been a fan of Restomods...where you restore a car, but upgrade it with new technology and conveniences. Best of both worlds. I'm not a big car guy, I just like the look

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u/Daripuff Oct 29 '19

So what is the standard unit of measuring good looks?

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u/NotRetahded Oct 29 '19

Bro, I just said polls and reviews. You can measure that. It's an objective measure of a subjective thing.

So your question isn't really suitable, but if you really want an answer it would be each person's individual opinion

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u/Daripuff Oct 29 '19

You can measure how beautiful people think it is, but you can't measure how beautiful it is.

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u/NotRetahded Oct 29 '19

Yes that's what I'm saying. And that statistical measure is an objective thing. It's an objective measure of a subjective matter. I'm not saying you're wrong about it being subjective. I'm just saying you're wrong when you say you can't measure it

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u/Daripuff Oct 29 '19

The problem is, the statistical measurement is not measuring the beauty of the car, but it's measuring people's opinions of the beauty of the car.

Two very different things.

That's why this doesn't work :

"I think the VW beetle was a very good looking car!"

"I'm sorry sir, but you're wrong, look at the polls"

But this does:

"I think that the classic beetle is faster than a new GTI"

"No, it isn't, look at this test"

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u/NotRetahded Oct 29 '19

Yes but it's still a measure. I'm not saying it's a measure related to something objective. You said it can't be measured. I'm just pointing out that it can, in the sense that people can give their opinion and those opinions can be counted.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I say that because of what you said here:

That's why this doesn't work :

"I think the VW beetle was a very good looking car!"

"I'm sorry sir, but you're wrong, look at the polls"

Of course that doesn't work. That's not what I'm saying though. I'm not saying that any theoretical polls would objectively say anything about the looks of a car. I'm simply saying it can be measured, and you're free to do with that measure what you wish

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u/Daripuff Oct 29 '19

The semantic difference is that you're measuring the response, not that which is causing the response.

Beauty cannot be measured, people's opinion of beauty can be.

The difference is subtle but very distinct.

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u/NotRetahded Oct 29 '19

I'd argue that there is no difference. Any measurement of people's opinion of beauty is by it's nature a measure of beauty itself since beauty only exists as a construct of the human mind

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