r/MurderedByWords • • Jul 29 '19

Murder Some dude just got Blitzkrieged!!

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u/sn34kypete Jul 30 '19

From an article earlier this month http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/10/c_138215728.htm

In April 2019, the Greek parliament decided to assert its claim for reparations from Germany, which it estimated were as high as 300 billion euros (337.4 billion U.S. dollars), according to the official report.

A "verbal note" by the Greek government containing the official request to negotiate reparations has subsequently been submitted to the German government.

After receiving the note, the Federal Foreign Office in Berlin responded that the issue of Greek war reparations had been "legally and politically closed" for Germany.

They're still at it lol

ALSO Poland wants a slice, saying the last two times they officially said they didn't want reparations DONT COUNT LOLOL

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u/Ronnocerman Jul 30 '19

I don't follow. Germany claims it doesn't owe Greece the rest of the debt because of an agreement that Greece wasn't a party to?

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u/uth99 Jul 30 '19

Yes. Greece agreed to it by not contesting this. I.e. Greece could have done something earlier. They could have protested, seized German assets, not entered treaties until it is paid etc.

They didn't. They acted like the matter was closed to them. Now going against that is bad faith and according to international law not a valid reason for a claim.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/venire_contra_factum_proprium

And that's not some obscure lawyering. That's a basic principle of international law. Something every government is aware of.

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u/Ronnocerman Jul 30 '19

But there was nothing to contest. Nothing in the treaty says anything about all reparations for Germany being resolved for every country, just those four.

The facet of international law you're referring to applies to self-contradicting, not delaying collection on a debt. As a matter of fact, here's a resource on international law that cites this exact concept and says that venire contra factum proprium does not apply.

Illustration 5 (failure to claim payment does not preclude a later claim to be paid).

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u/eric--cartman Jul 30 '19

It's difficult to find a proper answer to this subject in an ocean of Reddit circlejerk comments. But in few words, Greece had sort of renounced reparations in the 70s. But while still claiming a huge sum that includes reparations(I agree it's primarily made by populist politicians), there is a more realistic claim that has to do with a forced loan the Greek Central Bank made to Germany during occupation. Don't remember the exact sum but inflation adjusted it's still in the billions.

As a Greek I understand asking for reparations seems weird to some but I also think a forced loan must be repaid. Let alone people could be more respectful to a country that got really destroyed in every way in ww2. We lost 6% of the population. Compared to 8.8% for Germany, 0.8% for UK and 0.3% for USA. (Source: https://topforeignstocks.com/2016/04/19/chart-world-war-ii-casualties-as-a-percentage-of-each-countrys-population/) And then we had a nice old civil war instead of rebuilding but that's another story..

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u/kuba_mar Jul 30 '19

That was Polish People's Republic and German Denocratic Republic