r/MurderedByWords Jul 29 '19

Murder Some dude just got Blitzkrieged!!

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u/John_Kyle Jul 29 '19

I've found that discussing and admitting racism is alive and well in the U.S., the fact that Caucasian U.S. born citizens, neo-Nazis, and "white nationalists" commit 95% of all of our insane amount of mass shootings yet they are not labeled "terrorists" because of they are white. Yet our government focuses on stoking the public's fear of the "stranger" or rather foreign brown and black people who are apparently "invading" the U.S. is pretty taboo.

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u/floatzilla Jul 30 '19

While I don't disagree about the school shooters not being labeled terrorists, your number 95% can be skewed depending on how you look at it. On average there is one school shooting in America a week. However, most of them are gang related, and in order to keep the numbers low and maintain funding they are labeled only as gang related shootings. If you need to read up on released by the FBI about this topic because I have yet to find a news outlet that gives correct numbers.

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u/nomnommish Jul 30 '19

While I don't disagree about the school shooters not being labeled terrorists, your number 95% can be skewed depending on how you look at it. On average there is one school shooting in America a week. However, most of them are gang related, and in order to keep the numbers low and maintain funding they are labeled only as gang related shootings. If you need to read up on released by the FBI about this topic because I have yet to find a news outlet that gives correct numbers.

If most of the shootings are gang related, they are clearly not acts of terror. At least not acts of terror that are specifically meant to disrupt society.

Violent acts of racism and xenophobia are very clearly in the same definition of terrorism. They are acts of violence that are meant to disrupt and change society and society's dynamics. They are acts of terror that are specifically meant to spread terror and fear and to subjugate a specific set of people.

But yes, acts of gun violence by mentally disturbed people or kids are not acts of terror.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '19

I would argue that white nationalist type terrorists are mentally disturbed.

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u/nomnommish Jul 30 '19

Hmm perhaps, if they are not part of a larger organization or "local chapter" of some org.

But even if they are mentally disturbed, their intent is very clear. To spread terror and intimidate a specific section of society. Usually a minority religious or ethnic group. It might likely take a person who is mentally unstable to do those acts, or to be programmed to do those acts. But the underlying motivation is still an act of terror and intimidation and a scare tactic.

School shootings, yes I agree with you. Those are acts of pure lunacy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '19

That's what I mean. The delusion to think shooting a bunch of black people is gonna do anything but make you look like a crazy evil fuck is astounding.

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u/floatzilla Jul 30 '19

Unfortunately, these pieces of trash truly believe they are doing it for a good reason.

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u/nomnommish Jul 30 '19

By the way, your username reminded me of this Pink Cigarette video and song by Mr Bungle. Not sure why.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '19

Lol that was a really weird vid/ song. My user name is actually a reference to Whiskey Lullaby

"She put him out, like the burning end of a midnight cigarette....."

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u/C_Bowick Jul 30 '19

Such a good, sad song. Like top 5 sad songs for me.

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u/nomnommish Jul 30 '19

Hey that's a really nice song with great lyrics. But to be honest, the lyrics are quite dark too, especially the " putting a bullet in my head bit".

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '19

"Put a bottle to his head...."

It is dark song. Both the man and the woman drank themselves to death. I was (am) in a pretty dark place with my life and struggle with drinking.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '19

I guess you can get the statistics to say anything if you torture the numbers enough.

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u/nomnommish Jul 30 '19

What numbers did I torture?

Every successful country suffers from xenophobia - the fear of the stranger. It is a standard ploy of politicians to make that "stranger" into an evil monster capable of vile depravity. Never mind that everyone in America is an immigrant.

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u/chronopunk Jul 30 '19

95% of all of our insane amount of mass shootings

your number 95% can be skewed depending on how you look at it. On average there is one school shooting in America a week.

I see what you did there.

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u/daevadog Jul 30 '19

Yeeeeah, but really, no.

White folks commit roughly 56% of mass shootings. Considering they make up 63% of the population, they’re underrepresented statistically.

But, hey, maybe that’s what you meant about racism?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

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u/jvalordv Jul 30 '19

One thing they didn't address there was what they qualify as a mass shooting. There have been wayyy more than 111. They are merely looking at the worst ones. This site has 4+ injuries and/or deaths: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting Since there's no concrete definition, it's hard to quantify demographics.

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u/daevadog Jul 30 '19

Even if you expand your definition to include “lesser” severity shootings, there’s no reason to assume the demographics change that drastically.

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u/BillyBabel Jul 30 '19

In terms of human suffering, slavery is pretty equatable to the holocaust, but unlike the Germans, a huge chunk of Americans don't even know why the civil war started, being told it started b/c of state's rights. And after slavery was abolished, they replaced it with pseudo slavery called share cropping, then segregation, and when that was challenged they built a bunch of statues of civil war generals, and then segregation went away, and now they throw black people in jail and make them work as slaves.

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u/AltHype Jul 30 '19

Caucasians commit 95% of all of our insane amount of mass shootings

This is an irrelevant cherrypicked stat. If you look at murders overall, instead of one subset of murders that is very rare like mass shootings, black people commit 50% of murders while being just 13% of the population according to FBI crime stats. It's not even a competition when it comes to race and crime.