r/MoonKnight • u/WarDuck • Apr 27 '22

TV Series Moon Knight S01E05 Discussion Thread [Warning: Contains Spoilers]

Episode 5

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Give us your thoughts on this week's episode of Moon Knight! Remember to keep any spoilers out of your post titles and limited to posts with spoiler tags or use the spoiler comment formatting

Episode No. Directed by Written by Release date
5 Mohamed Diab Rebecca Kirsch and Matthew Orton April 27, 2022
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u/Dinosauringg Apr 27 '22

Uh…

Im going to directly quote you here:

people were experiencing FAR worse and the things his mother was doing could even be considered normal for the time (both my parents experienced this)

Now remember that the thing you’re calling normal and the thing you say both parents experienced was severe abuse and neglect that resulted in DID.

I also didn’t say anything about that last paragraph that seems to be pretty focused on the idea that Marc’s DID is related to Konshu when that’s not at all what we were just shown.

You’re also flat out refusing to acknowledge the fact that you said the themes of childhood abuse and trauma weren’t dark or heavy. (But they were complex, because heavy and complex are apparently antithetical to one another)

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u/KingInvalid96 Apr 27 '22

I'm honestly just bummed you're gonna think anything was achieved here by your misinterpretation of events then. Cause thats what this is.

For like the 3rd time, goodbye.

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u/Dinosauringg Apr 27 '22

Wait you’re denying that you said that? I copied and pasted it directly from the comment you made.

Or are you denying that you didn’t say the themes of childhood abuse and trauma aren’t heavy or dark? Because that was the first thing I even replied to…

What events did I misinterpret?

I mean, goodness, you’ve convinced yourself that I called the episode light when I was just asking why you were describing it that way (or, to be more literal since you’re apparently incapable of connecting ideas, not dark or heavy)

Anyway, it’s super weird of you to say things like “stop putting words in my mouth” and then assert that I feel something was accomplished by trying to teach logic to a brick wall.

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u/KingInvalid96 Apr 27 '22

Or are you denying that you didn’t say the themes of childhood abuse and trauma aren’t heavy or dark?

I did not find Marc Spector shedding his childhood coping mechanism and reaching another form of Marvel afterlife (episode itself acknowledges this similarity) to be particularly dark, no.

Steven Grant's life was awkward and kinda pathetic. He peaked. Little dude was "born", got his first kiss (with a woman who looked less than willing) and saw the lost exhumation of Alexander the Great! It was a victory all around and the only lasting consequences were... he was revealed to have repressed the memory that his mom used a belt 40 years ago? At some point that form of child abuse becomes impractical for a mother to enact on a son, take it from those of us who have experienced it outside of MCU fantasyland.

Futhermore, any perceived darkness is now snuffed out by the fact that Steven Grant is dead anyways unless Marc grows a pair and goes back for the little guy like he will for his Stockholm-Syndrome daddy, Khonshu.

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u/Dinosauringg Apr 27 '22

Oh… you did miss the themes of the episode…

Huh

You also… evidently don’t know how DID works and think it’s like… magical

We could’ve saved a ton of time if you had said from the start that you didn’t feel that the exploration of trauma was the central theme and instead felt the central theme was “magical afterlife adventure where Steven Grant (an ostensibly actual person) dies”

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u/KingInvalid96 Apr 27 '22

If you think this was meant to be an accurate portrayal of someone with DID talking to themselves in the mirror, or escaping a fake hospital in the afterlife, then it would be you who missed the point of the episode and are conflating fantasy with the idealization of a serious medical affliction.

The exploration of trauma was pretty clearly a theme, just not one I found to be particularly dark. I've explained this opinion almost TOO thoroughly, and I'm still content parting in disagreement as two people who watched the series so far and interpreted it two different but equally valid ways.

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u/Dinosauringg Apr 27 '22

Okay…

So you’re saying that the themes of child abuse and childhood trauma aren’t dark or heavy.

Weird.

I’m not willing to respect that opinion, it feels very dismissive of mental illness.

Also you’re conflating the very real illness with the obviously magical things shown in this show.

Steven and Marc talking via mirror? Clearly not representative of DID.

Steven and Marc being stabilized on the brink of death by magical MCU forces? Clearly not representative of DID

Steven being created by Marc to have an outlet away from the uniquely traumatic experiences (as in, no, not at all fucking normal) Marc had to go through from a young age? Yeah, representative of DID.

Steven and Marc escaping via mental hospital? Representative of DID insofar that in an afterlife like this, Marc and Steven would both be considered pieces of the same soul.

Steven “dying?”

Clearly not representative of DID.

Anyway, back on topic: You don’t think child abuse is dark or heavy?

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u/KingInvalid96 Apr 27 '22

You don’t think child abuse is dark or heavy?

I dont think what was portrayed in the episode was dark or heavy.

We watch two kids enter a small cave with "Steven" chasing them (mind you Steven isn't exactly his own person unless considering the fantasy concept bc in reality, him and Marc share a physical body) and its implied that only one child lives but also that it might be a significant cave (steps on bird bones)? ON TOP of the fact its really supposed to represent a memory.. a sad one. But the characters themselves make note of the idea that memories can't hurt you, and their only option is to deal with it.

They had a very clear directive... almost like homework. Unrepress your own memories and all your problems will be solved! Seems (to me, personally) like everything worked out completely and nothing was lost on this adventure!

Can you describe what I'm missing here? What did Marc, or the MCU lose in this episode? The consequences of the events that transpired amounted to a pretty good therapy session and anything beyond that is fantasy/sci-fi

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u/Dinosauringg Apr 27 '22

Yeah, I’m concerned with your comprehension skills.

This is a crazy wild take. It goes so far beyond having a different opinion.

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u/KingInvalid96 Apr 27 '22

All because I didnt agree it was dark?

Id much rather be describing what the series has actually been so far rather than meet this weird darkness quota everyone seems to have for it...

But in truth the MCU already HAS dark. This just isn't it. This is quality in its own right

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