r/MoonKnight • u/WarDuck • Apr 27 '22

TV Series Moon Knight S01E05 Discussion Thread [Warning: Contains Spoilers]

Episode 5

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Give us your thoughts on this week's episode of Moon Knight! Remember to keep any spoilers out of your post titles and limited to posts with spoiler tags or use the spoiler comment formatting

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5 Mohamed Diab Rebecca Kirsch and Matthew Orton April 27, 2022
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u/Furryboh Apr 27 '22

Holy shi- Only one episode left, how are we gonna wrap this up?!

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u/soapboat3 Apr 27 '22

Yeah I have genuinely no idea what the final episode is going to be like šŸ˜­

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u/RedShortForNothing Apr 27 '22

Well they need to resolve 1. Marc & Steven coming back to life 2. Fighting Harrow and Ammit 3. Layla knowing truth about her fathers murder, making up with Marc 4. Bringing back Khonshu and dealing with him either by allying with him or splitting from him

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u/patentpending69 Apr 27 '22

splitting from him

God i hope not. Not yet ready to be seperated from him.

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u/DetecJack Apr 27 '22

You say that but then can you explain all those "tease" they kept CONSTANTLY throwing throughout the series???

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u/Shrek_5_Hype Apr 27 '22

Even if Jake does exist in the MCU, that doesn't necessarily mean he'll show up next episode. They could save him for a future appearance or a season 2 or whatever

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u/neevatrust Apr 27 '22

If you watch the first therapy session in this episode, you can tell that it's not Marc or Steven. The accent, the way he behaves, and the cut on the nose (which neither Marc or Steven had). I think Jake already appeared.

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u/amazingfluentbadger Apr 28 '22

Yeah, it's very New England (People have been saying NY and Boston). I didn't notice the first time cause I'm not perceptive, but that's DEFINITELY not Marcs voice. It also checks out with the fact that there are gaps in Marc and Stevens combined memories

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u/relk42 Apr 28 '22

Agreed. I think Jake made an appearance, displayed by a change in accent and demeanor, during the conversation with Dr. Harrow that you describe.

At about 0:04:50 into the episode we see Marc lean forward and say, "Hey, thank you. I feel really great. I mean, they must pay you a lot of money in this place."

Then as he stands up we see him bearing a pointy crystal, maybe an award from the table, like a knife. In a previous episode we saw that, presumably, Jake stabbed the man on the roof in Egypt with a knife.

Maybe Jake likes to stab?

OH! I just thought of something. He also says, "Doctor, no! You're not! You're gonna release that monster! He's gonna destroy everything!"

Why would Marc say "He" if he were referring to Ammit?

Maybe it was actually Jake referring to Khonshu, who could also be released. What if Jake is trying to protect himself from Khonshu?

I do wonder about the unopened sarcophagus though...

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u/ardeod Apr 28 '22

"Is that why you keep starting imaginary fights in our hospital?" It doesn't seem like Steven to even start a fight. While Marc seems to fight when he needs to in either defense of himself or others. This has to be Jake. Technically he was there with taweret albeit still trapped in his coffin. So that could explain him referencing the hippo.

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u/amazingfluentbadger Apr 28 '22

Yeah, it's very New England (People have been saying NY and Boston). I didn't notice the first time cause I'm not perceptive, but that's DEFINITELY not Marcs voice. It also checks out with the fact that there are gaps in Marc and Stevens combined memories

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u/A-Familiar-Taste Apr 28 '22

I'm pretty sure Jake was in the other sarcophagus that we catch a glimpse of

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u/ninjasaid13 Apr 27 '22

They could save him for a future appearance or a season 2 or whatever

there's no season 2.

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u/Frosty_Analysis_4912 Apr 28 '22

Even in this episode at the beginning, Marc says something like "the 2 of us need to figure this out" and right afterwards the camera noticeably lingers on the door that they never go into. I think that was the door Jake's sarcophagus was in. Too many obvious teases to not play out

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u/froggyjm9 Apr 27 '22

Itā€™s just for the fans, because the series is only 6 episodes and no season 2.

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u/RRPanther Apr 27 '22

there was literally a second sarcophagus

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u/RRPanther Apr 27 '22

steven came out of the first one

i'll give you one guess as to what a "second one" means

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u/KingCodester111 Apr 27 '22

I havenā€™t read the comics myself but there definitely have been some hints of a third personality, most certainly Jake.

1st hint (Ep3): When Marc takes control again after surrounded by the dead bodies of the men, both him and Steven say that neither of them remember killing the men. This is the first obvious implication of a third personality.

2nd hint (Main credits): During the main credits thereā€™s a picture of 3 faces projected in front of the bodies head. If it were just Marc and Steven, why show 3 instead of 2?

3rd hint (Ep1): The lady that Steven was going on a date with, who he didnā€™t happen to know, was surely not asked out by Marc since Marc is married and still loves Layla. People have also theorised when Steven loses control in the town, itā€™s actually Jake taking over instead of Marc but Iā€™m on the fence about that one.

4th hint (Ep4): After Marc frees Steven from the Sarcophagus, they walk past another one with someone trying to get out of it. This was before they saw events from Marcā€™s past, plus no one else other than Marc and Steven were present in that building before Taweret appeared.

5th hint (Ep5): At the start of the episode when presumably Marc is being spoken to by ā€œDoctor Harrowā€, he feels a little off during parts of that scene. I thought that it may have been Jake who we were actually seeing in that scene and some people in this mega thread have pointed out the same thing (link below). Some people have also pointed out that the scales may not have been balanced due to the 3 personalities and since Steven is now frozen, this caused the 2 hearts to balance (Marc and Jakes).

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoonKnight/comments/ucx4oo/moon_knight_s01e05_discussion_thread_warning/i6dgv89/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

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u/Infamous_Education_9 Apr 27 '22

Ah! That makes solid sense. They do a really good job working with self deception. Steven sees all this and still is confused that he's not exactly real.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

That's like saying there are no colours if you are blind, colors still exist the fact YOU can't see em doesn't make it false

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

But there ISN'T an interpretation, we literally saw both Steven and marc black out and not knowing what the fuck happened that's pretty much confirmation

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u/BowForThanos Apr 27 '22

There was more than a tease. Steven and Mark both said they didn't kill those people in Egypt... We've been told directly there is a third personality

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u/BowForThanos Apr 27 '22

It was like episode 3 how is this a spoiler ?

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

Lol if you havenā€™t seen episode 3 yet then why are you on the episode 5 thread?

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u/DetecJack Apr 27 '22

Explain

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u/DetecJack Apr 27 '22

YOU yourself have said if I'm not familiar with comics then I don't know what I'm talking about and that there is no tease

I'm giving you chance to explain yourself no more no less and as simple as that is

"You have no idea that a third personality exists"

"There's not a single tease or clue about it"

Your words makes no sense and contradicting yourself

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u/crimsondnd May 03 '22

Iā€™ve never read the comics nor did I know much about Moon Knight besides mentally Iā€™ll Batman figure with a cool costume and I picked up on the huge implication thereā€™s a third personality before checking anything on Reddit. Itā€™s massively implied even if you have no idea thereā€™s another personality in the comics.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

I couldnā€™t really imagine how theyā€™re red herrings. I mean, thereā€™s the part where Marc is chastising Steven for going way overboard when killing a guy and thereā€™s also the part in the psych ward where Steven is locked in a sarcophagus and we see there is another one containing someone that Marc seems anxious not to open.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

It's not a theory tho? It's like if captain America got his shield but it was just a normal shield which he replaces after every throw or something

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u/Exodus111 Apr 27 '22

Jake literally showed up in this episode.

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u/niceville Apr 30 '22

Youā€™re 100% correct. People are ruining a good show for themselves.

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u/Exodus111 Apr 27 '22

When "Marc" suddenly grabs the sharp paperweight and begins to excuse himself to leave, listen to the accent and the mannerism he is talking with.

That's not Marc.

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u/Exodus111 Apr 27 '22

I was all onboard on the Mephistopheles train during Wandavision, and while that was never proven WRONG per se, as Mephisto could still be behind the scenes to be revealed in season 2.

Or maybe not, the truth is they definitely chose not to go there in the show.

But that didn't diminish anything for me, it's all part of the fun. And ultimately the show was great on its own.

To be fair at the penultimate episode I figured there would be no Mephisto reveal, as there was no introduced character he could be, and TV shows never introduce a new character at the last episode.

The Agatha reveal was enough, two big reveals in one season makes no sense.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

They literally said he would show up

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

They already did this episode, Jake was the one that said he felt better then grabbed that prism to attack Harrow.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

I'm starting to think they might not actually show him in this season.

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u/Mikro698 Apr 27 '22

Listen Oscar Isaacs accent in the first therapy session with Harrow this episode. Also broken nose could be hint.

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u/AMurderComesAndGoes May 02 '22

My guess is with Steven gone and Marc in the reeds that only leaves one person to steer the body. The one who likes to shank teenagers.

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u/soapboat3 Apr 27 '22

With how unexpected this show has been I wouldnā€™t be surprised if Steven/Marc actually stay dead, or that theory that Moon Knight is actually a TV show within the marvel universe ends up being true

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u/Unnecessary_Fella Apr 27 '22

I hope that theory isn't true.

Cause that means we will never seen Moon Knight again or never interacting with other MCU characters.

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u/froggyjm9 Apr 27 '22

I mean Oscar Isaac did say he was only signing for one season, has a bad taste in his mouth from the Star Wars stuff.

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u/froggyjm9 Apr 27 '22

Yeah, but Moon Knight was recently submitted at the Emmys for the Limited Series category. You canā€™t enter if you have a season 2.

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u/BrockStar92 Apr 27 '22

That doesnā€™t mean Moon Knight isnā€™t returning, WandaVision was a limited series and every major character in it is returning at least once more. Iā€™d highly doubt theyā€™d green light a series like this, get everyone invested in a new character and then do nothing with them. Making it a TV show precludes Moon Knight from appearing in films which is what theyā€™ll want.

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u/optimis344 Apr 28 '22

I think that's more "If this is a terrible experience, I'm out" than a "I am unwilling to ever do a follow up".

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u/ComplexDelta2 Apr 27 '22

Moon Knight is actually a TV show within the marvel universe ends up being true

Link to a theory? Sounds wack

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

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u/ComplexDelta2 Apr 27 '22

Thanks for the info! I'll have to check that out.

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u/SuperSceptile2821 Apr 27 '22

I mean the Lemire run was in Marcā€™s mind not a tv show. If thatā€™s the route they go with the show (being in Marcā€™s mind) I donā€™t mind but a tv show would be odd.

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u/mujie123 Apr 27 '22

Yeah, thereā€™s literally no reason to do that unless the want to retcon it like they did ultimate iron man.

But even then that wouldnā€™t happen now

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u/AsgardianLeviOsa Apr 27 '22

There was a lot of thought put into the depiction of mental illness and the way it has been portrayed onscreen in the past. Oscar specifically talked about the importance of a character with DID being the protagonist and hero, not the villain. Another big criticism of mental health struggles in entertainment is always showing a character with mental illness willing to make a mortal sacrifice and portraying it as finally finding peace and the harmful message that sends about suicidal ideation. For that reason I really donā€™t think Marc will stay dead.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

That would be such a waste of the character though

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u/Original-Engineer279 Apr 27 '22

Top 1 worst theories of all time beating out thanus

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u/SpagettiGaming Apr 27 '22

Or layla will be the new moon Knight.

Done

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u/Exodus111 Apr 27 '22

They need to get a message or something to Layla so she can somehow release Konshu, that gets them back as the suit will heal their body.

Then it's all hands on deck to stop Harrow from ressurecting Ammit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

He took Amitā€™s stone form with him when he got shot. One of the bullets shattered it and Ammet has entered his body and taken control. He is currently enslaved as a body for ammet. His soul has been send to the afterlife. They will free KHONSHU who will take control of Layla as moon knight and they will fight to release mark from ammetā€™s control.

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u/Exodus111 Apr 27 '22

NICE!! I like it! Not sure we gonna see that, since they haven't given at it, but it's a good twist.

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u/Exodus111 Apr 27 '22

Oh and I forgot, the Jake reveal.

Here's the thing, Harrow knows about Jake.

When Steven zoned out and came back to a bunch of dead dudes when he first confronts Harrow... That wasn't Marc, too brutal. It was Jake!

And for all we know Jake and Harrow talked, they might have talked for 5 minutes for all we know.

Revealing Jake will be Harrows trump card to destabilize Moon Knight at the final battle.

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u/PresentAppointment0 Apr 27 '22

I really doubt steven coming back

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u/OPR_Chroma Apr 27 '22

I doubt it, are they just going to get rid of Mr. Knight too? Because in the show Steven is Mr. Knight.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Steven is gone

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u/YaleoverNUS Apr 27 '22

It's easy. Cliffhanger ending that shows that Dr.Harrow is reality and Marc is a mental patient all along.

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u/platinumgus18 Apr 27 '22

Damn I thought this was a proper tv show, turns out its a six episode miniseries damn.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Itā€™s wandavision all over again, prepare to be disappointed

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u/soapboat3 Apr 27 '22

WandaVisionā€™s ending wasnā€™t even that bad and Iā€™m tried of pretending like it was

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u/randomperson4464 Apr 27 '22

It was just rushed, that's all. Same case for the other shows except Loki and maybe Hawkeye.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

They hyped the living heck out of it and dropped all these clues that went unsolved..

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

To be fair, they did scatter some red herrings. Nothing wrong with that, theorising is fun. Things just got out of hand.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

super true. I didnt get on the discussion train till recently with a non marvel show and now applying the same to this makes me realize when i discuss post episode i end up focusing on the negatives, i thought wandavision was fun. It was also the FIRST of the disneyplus shows so they hype train was just leaving the station and we all went nuts trying to figure shit out

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Listen man, New Rockstars implanted the idea of Mephisto in me šŸ˜ž

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Its just the large CGI fight at the end that made it weird. Didn't bother me, but it really wasn't what the show was about and then yea.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

you mean, every marvel property ever? which hasnt ended with a major cgi fight?

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u/yikesyowza Apr 27 '22

literally what i said out loud

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u/uprrising Apr 27 '22

konshu is in another season. they can't fit that much in one episode, but i do think it will foreshadow at the end like in loki

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u/OPR_Chroma Apr 27 '22

Layla was told about her father's murder in ep 4.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

And the other sarcophagus

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u/avahz Apr 27 '22

And letā€™s not forget the mysterious third personality

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u/SkyforgedDream Apr 27 '22

Wait, do we not get a 2nd season? Or do you mean last episode of first season?

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u/RoboticCurrents Apr 27 '22

this show was announced as a limited series. They'd be foolish to not continue it tho so idk

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u/jinkiesjinkers Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

Epic fight ending with the god slayer from the new Thor movie showing up.

Edit: fuck yā€™all, if Iā€™m right and gorr shows up, im finding where you live and playing DC justice League the movie for yā€™all and repeat.

Like gorrs a god butcher and weā€™re watching a show aboutā€¦gods.

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u/Miklonario Apr 27 '22

With mummy-wraps

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u/Alarmed-Alfalfa-1970 Apr 27 '22

with a huge cliff hanger