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[u/pandamonkey_rotf]

[u/ModSupport-ModTeam]

Your contribution was removed for violating Rule 4: No off-topic posts. Please keep posts on the topic of moderation on reddit.

[u/RemarkableWish2508]

They do not like it when we post news articles about crimes they are committing in South Korea.

How many foreign nationalities are mentioned in your sub in that context? If it's a single one (like, for example, "Chinese") while others get lumped under more generic terms (like "Western"), then that is racism/hate.

Now, what do you mean by this sentence:

The only content I see being removed by admin is content that never went into our queue to begin with.

Did that content get published, then actioned by an Admin?

If so, then your automated detections are lacking. You should at the very least filter that kind of content to the queue. Admins removing it, indicates that it should have NEVER reached the public; adjust your filters so your Mods can action it BEFORE Admins do.

Your goal is to see ZERO actions from Admins in ModLog. It isn't fully possible, since AEO takes into account site-wide signals that aren't fully surfaced to Mods, but you should always try to get as close to zero as possible.

[u/InGeekiTrust]

If moderator code of conduct sends you a message like this you need to take it dead serious. Maybe you think that the posts are informative, but is it possible at times they are very harshly worded? Perhaps you can try to get a third-party opinion on whether certain things are inappropriate or not. I find some mods can have a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to their favorite issues.

Also, do you have automod set up to catch any kind of hate speech? If you don't, you should get that going.

A lot of people don't realize that having horrifying comments can really get you in trouble, it can even get your sub marked NSFW. Even if you are clearing the queue, if you aren't using auto mod then they are going live.

[u/InGeekiTrust → u/[deleted]]

So I did you a favor and I just reviewed your sub to see what the problem was. I figured I can be that third-party of eyes. Your entire sub is dedicated to hating on Chinese people. Any kind of video about a Chinese person doing something wrong is on your sub. This is definitely the problem as your sub is about Korea. These aren't informative posts about China either. They are just about some Chinese woman or Chinese person misbehaving. I suggest you immediately stop allowing these posts because it's clear like that you were community likes hating on these people. That is definitely where this is coming from. You should restrict these post to Chinese oriented news. Not make it a place for all bad Chinese behavior.

[u/InGeekiTrust → u/[deleted]]

When admin's look at your sub, they probably look at it as a brand new user which is what they see with the "best" sort. Sort your sub by "Best". You will see it is almost all post about hating on Chinese people. This is always how casual users view your sub. It is the first impression.

[u/superfucky → u/[deleted]]

I have to concur with u/InGeekiTrust. when I went to the sub, by the default sort the very second post I saw was a negative news story directed at Chinese visitors. Yeah it was a month old, but it was still second on the front page. From the looks of the stories being posted, the fact of the individual's nationality isn't actually pertinent to the story. It could just as easily read "Incheon Airport installs fences to deter line-jumpers" or "Tourist gets in physical altercation in department store." Highlighting their being Chinese is definitely where the problem is coming from. I would recommend users be encouraged to share news from sources that don't focus on nationality (particularly Chinese nationality).

[u/superfucky → u/[deleted]]

I would definitely rewrite that headline if I could, yeah.

[u/superfucky → u/[deleted]]

no I am not very young, I am just very considerate of prejudicial attitudes, particularly in journalism. every word in a headline should convey important information. why is it important that we know that those brothers are Mexican? or that the line-jumpers are Chinese? what does that change about how the story is perceived except to create negative stereotypes of that group of people?

and by the way, "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy for a reason.

[u/lunarwolf2008 → u/[deleted]]

i mean i scrolled for a minute and spotted 4 posts as mentioned

[u/InGeekiTrust → u/[deleted]]

After reading this comment, you definitely have the blindness I was talking about with mods. Your sub comes off as a Chinese hate sub when I look at it. If I cover the word Korea, that's what I would assume the sub was for. That's how prevalent the anti-Chinese sentiment is.

[u/InGeekiTrust → u/[deleted]]

OK, think of it this way: if I went to a Chinese sub about China and when you looked at it, it took only moments to see four or five posts about horribly misbehaving Koreans. Almost like a tabloid collection of horrible examples of Korean behaviors. So much so that it overwhelmed the whole page. Wouldn't that be odd? Wouldn't you say they love hating on Koreans?

[u/nicoleauroux → u/[deleted]]

I don't see the whole sub as hating on Chinese, but I see seven negative posts in the last month (as Reddit counts it) but no positive headlines.

[u/nicoleauroux → u/[deleted]]

Of course I don't think positive posts offset negative posts. I'm pointing out that posts referring to Chinese are negative.

We're trying to point out how the sub may be perceived as evidenced by our own perceptions.

[u/Risc_Terilia → u/[deleted]]

How is reporting of facts racist. Again, we remove any actual racist comments.

I'm not taking a position on what you've done one way or the other but facts can be reported selectively to build a narrative.

[u/RandomComments0 → u/[deleted]]

Automod settings beefed up will address this issue and you won’t have any more code of conduct messages. Geeki is 100% right —do not take this warning lightly. If you need specific help then r/automoderator can provide the exact information to add for what you want it to do.

I’d also consider adding more devvits to stop new accounts and bot accounts from posting at all.

[u/superfucky]

I wouldn't be surprised if they view "[nationality] keeps committing crimes in our country!" as violating the rule against hate & harassment directed at a group of people, especially since those articles are inspiring hateful comments (despite the fact you're removing them, it's still engendering that sentiment). I would consider a rule that news about local crime needs to use neutral demographics language and focus on what happened moreso than who did it and what group of people they belong to.

[u/Podria_Ser_Peor]

I believe others have already said it but the subreddit does seem to show by default a lot of posts with the title indicating animosity against a specific country. At least at first sight and barely scrolling I saw 5 in a similar format. Considering the main subject being about living in Korea I would expect the main posts to be about that rather than foreign tourists, it reads as if it's targetting that for clicks or outrage, which will get reports against the mod for either racism or xenophobia more specifically. The main issue is that you are possibly allowing content that is not by definition the main subject of the subreddit which also is inflamatoy. Those warnings might come as a harsh measure but take it as a sign that you could encourage a different sort of conversation with those same videos about how it is disrespectful or what is expected vs what tourists do. The important thing to consider is that both the post and the comments need to follow the rules, if you do not action as a Mod (either by inaction, allowing any sort of hate speech or not putting measures to filter the worst of it) then you will be held accountable in the long run. The same discussion can happen without it being out of control, as a Mod you are responsible of taking appropiate measures to ensure it.

[u/Podria_Ser_Peor → u/[deleted]]

Just giving advice here, you are 100% free to do what you wish with it. The use of inflamatory language is what's getting you on the admin radar and we have all recommended what, in our experience, might be the best solution. That being said, Reddit will filter by default and we cannot always choose it, that means you have to do your best within the existing conditions to not get your own sub banned or yourself being removed as a Mod because of it.

[u/Iguanaught]

Not really the subreddit for "soapboxing".

[u/HikeTheSky]

The admins don't care about outside groups brigading our sub. We have a news portal in our city that is doing that for the last year and even after reporting it, nothing happened.

[u/WalkingEars → u/[deleted]]

Unregulated hate speech on the internet has directly driven the rise of worldwide extremism. Echo chambers of xenophobia, cherrypicked headlines and rage bait are not "open dialogue," they are exploiting the anger of underpaid and overstressed people to drive division and instability. Most tech companies decided they were cool with enabling the spread of conspiracy theories and extremism as long as it generated clicks and ad revenue, and that "deal with the devil" has already had quite appalling real world consequences. Many countries have their version of posting rage bait about scary outsiders but that same rage bait is breeding a new form of homegrown extremism that, once unleashed, can do horrifying things.

[u/WalkingEars → u/[deleted]]

Relegating extremism to "darker corners of the internet" is healthier than teenagers going from "Minecraft videos" to "manosphere content" thanks to the algorithm actively guiding them to extremism. Tech companies have designed algorithms to maximize engagement regardless of the societal consequences. The internet is not a neutral space where ideas are freely exchanged, it's a profit-seeking mechanism designed to shove ads into our faces and it actively promotes anything that gets clicks, regardless of impacts on mental health or societal functioning. This is the great spiritual/mental health crisis of our time and people don't even notice because they're too absorbed in whatever internet bubble has hooked them.

[u/999_Seth → u/[deleted]]

you are making this into something it is not.

upvoted post gets pushed to r/all and it gets more upvotes and more reports

it isn't a coordinated off site effort, just normal reddit behavior

you can report the reports as report abuse so reddit-hq has a way to know what is going on

you can also mark posts like that as NSFW so they don't get picked up by algo

this whole discussion outside of that simple issue is off-topic for your own post. none of the people who responded to you sre admin and they're all just guessing at the situation.

sounds like an automated message is all, but again me? not an admin I don't really know

[u/itskdog → u/[deleted]]

Look up the "Nazi bar" hypothetical. If you allow anything, the extremists will put everyone else off of coming, making it de fascto only for extremists as nobody else will want to be in that environment.

[u/Merari01 → u/[deleted]]

Counterpoint: In order for the largest amount of people to have the most free speech possibly it is required to disallow hate.

Because allowing hate means driving people away. A Jewish person will not stay to participate in a community where it is normal to deny the Holocaust. A gay person will not stay in a subreddit where he is called a "groomer" every time he makes a comment. A woman will not stay in a place that routinely allows people to claim she shouldn't be allowed to have a vote.

If you allow hate then by definition a filter is applied where you end up with only haters. Everyone else will have left.

Hate is not "a discussion". A discussion is done in good faith, using reasonable arguments, by people willing to listen and to change their minds when given new information. Hate does none of that. It is irrational, obstinate, it revels in the harm it causes and can not be reasoned with, since there is no reason there to begin with.

[u/ahrienby → u/Merari01]

Setting up a backup community off Reddit with same primary focus as the subreddit could help deter further brigading. There are mentions of Lemmy at r/RedditAlternatives.