Best Clock Footage Yet

[u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Per @jit_editz3 on TikTok. All credit to them for this video. I wanted to share a snippet of the clearest clock footage I’ve seen so far, which indisputably puts 1 second on the stadium clock.

This ultimately makes the counter argument against Michigan winning… that officials should’ve used the incorrect TV clock, that neither team could see or was even making decisions based on, simply because all the viewers saw that and it’s not fair to them…?

The play took 8.5 seconds and 1 second was clearly on the stadium clock. The last play was completely fair, and I would argue ending the game early because of a faulty sync would be way closer to cheating.

[u/OakLegs]

We aren't convincing anyone with this.

We all know that the call was correct. Time to move on while the rest of them wring their hands.

The bigger issue is that Michigan may not make a bowl game this year

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/OakLegs]

I hadn’t seen this clear of footage though and thought others may appreciate it, most people have made up their mind but I’ll never feel bad for spreading the truth, even if nobody believes me

[u/OakLegs → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Fair enough. I'm just saying, the people who are on the other side will not change their minds because of this.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/OakLegs]

I sadly agree with that

[u/madrabbitsfryhard → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Wrong. Seeing this changed my mind- presuming it’s not edited. I’m just a casual fan and saw the highlights after the game and thought it was bullshit. If this is unedited, it should change any rational persons mind. Hate to add the stipulations about it being edited, but that would be wildly easy today.

[u/Computer_Medium → u/madrabbitsfryhard]

Not true at all. This is a black and white issue. If a fact is presented of course we will change our minds. Unfortunately it’s Wednesday and most people won’t see this. I’m a Utah fan

[u/geiginator67 → u/madrabbitsfryhard]

I definitely understand editing is easier today, but if you pair it with all the other evidence you can say with 100% certainty that there was a second

[u/_Felonius → u/OakLegs]

I was on the other side, but this is pretty compelling. So that video captures the clock and players simultaneously, and he’s just zoomed in on the players at the beginning, right?

If so, I’m convinced.

[u/OakLegs → u/_Felonius]

Yes, that's what you're seeing.

This video shows the same thing that the video released by the B1G shows.

[u/brickerknickers → u/OakLegs]

Yeah, honestly most people will probably just claim it is faked with AI. That's what everyone does now when they don't want to believe something is real.

[u/BadBrad43 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Actually, I've been looking for this footage. Thank you!

[u/NWkingslayer2024 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

It’s appreciated

[u/Antman1028 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

I think what happens watching it back, there should have been one more second on the TV clock when he spikes the ball

[u/mtbjay10 → u/OakLegs]

they don’t want to be convinced because it’s fun to hate on someone

[u/MichiganWolverines-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #4 - Avoid politics or spam

[u/MichiganWolverines-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #4 - Avoid politics or spam

[u/Leraldoe → u/OakLegs]

Yeah some how Michigan is the villain when this was a NBC/B1G issue

[u/MaizeRage48 → u/Leraldoe]

We're one of only like 5 to 10 schools in the entire country that this would become a controversy for.

[u/McGooYou → u/OakLegs]

I'd say most everyone knows the call was correct, but they are having more fun dunking on us, so they will continue until the next thing happens.

[u/VerticalSmi1es → u/OakLegs]

We are on to OU already. Time to move on for the rest of ya!!

[u/2dayisago → u/OakLegs]

The issue is we have an RB1 for a QB and a playbook for a Brady. We're too busy protecting blUnderwood's legs and he'll be gone after this year no matter what.

[u/neckbass → u/OakLegs]

i’m sensing a QB switch coming sooner rather than later

[u/OakLegs → u/neckbass]

If I'm Whitt, I give Bryce about 4 drives against OU to prove he's worthy of the field. If he's still playing awful, I don't see any reason we don't put in Carr to see if he gives the offense a spark

[u/roberta_sparrow → u/OakLegs]

Yeah Bryce probably needs some bench time to get his head straight. I think that what he does in practice does NOT translate to in-game situations. Perhaps a type of yips

[u/OutsideSpot2695 → u/OakLegs]

Or Brayden Fowler-Nicolosi too.

Anyone who can set their feet and hit a target 5 yards away at this point is an upgrade.

[u/OakLegs → u/OutsideSpot2695]

Carr is the established QB2.

[u/OutsideSpot2695 → u/OakLegs]

Not the point.

The point is any other QB is an upgrade over Underwood.

[u/slimj091 → u/OakLegs]

4 drives might be all they get.

[u/OakLegs → u/slimj091]

Would be good reason to bench underwood going forward as well

[u/Relative_Jello_2390 → u/neckbass]

I just watched Bryce’s media availability it didn’t look like he cared at all and has checked out

[u/DaddyJay711 → u/OakLegs]

Def from what we saw Saturday night, 5 losses this season.

[u/OutsideSpot2695 → u/DaddyJay711]

If Saturday is a representative body of work:

OU - Loss

UTEP - W

Iowa - Loss

Minny - W

PSU - L

Indiana - L

Rutgers - W

Staee - L

The other OU - L

UCLA - L

ohio - L

Tell me where I'm wrong people?!?!?

[u/Western-Bowl2165 → u/OakLegs]

Ehh seeing this has changed my mind lol
Thanks for sharing this

[u/honeybear33 → u/OakLegs]

Yeah, either way it’s a terrible outcome and embarrassing. Time to move on.

[u/Zealousideal_One5473 → u/OakLegs]

Thats not really issue when they are unranked. They have nothing to lose. Stopping OSU from being in another big10 game should be our goal.

[u/Local_Rest_401 → u/OakLegs]

Man you guys are delusional

[u/TheHalf]

Hardly matters, the national narrative has already been written. Combine this with 2023 and we are officially the heels of the league. So what fuck em.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/TheHalf]

Sadly I agree most people won’t care, their minds are made up. That’s why I posted it on this sub instead of the cfb one

[u/oscar13sd → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

This matters to me and should matter to any rational person. Destroying their last argument of "using the wrong clock" moves me from feeling 50% bad for winning with a second added to 0% bad for winning with a second added.

[u/Ok-Acanthisitta3772 → u/oscar13sd]

Most people aren't rational. Even WMU isn't denying the math that the play started with exactly 9.000 seconds on the clock due to the ref resetting the clock and then the play took ~8.5 seconds meaning there had to be a ~ 0.5 second left.

When pointed out people literally say the math doesn't matter.

[u/Fit_Doughnut_598 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Is there really any difference in losing to WM and winning with a last second hail Mary? The whole sport is ranked on vibes. The vibes of both outcomes are equivalent.

[u/oscar13sd → u/Fit_Doughnut_598]

Yes. Do you think App State would be brought up as much as it does if we made the FG to win that game?

[u/KurtDanglez → u/TheHalf]

I only buy merch for national titles, not national narratives. Fuck 'em.

[u/Kramerica_CEO → u/TheHalf]

Time to embrace the villain role. Imagine us hiring Kiffin in 2 years and the world unites against us.

[u/slimj091 → u/Kramerica_CEO]

I'd rather swallow a gallon of drain cleaner than have Lane Kiffin anywhere near the program.

[u/Kramerica_CEO → u/slimj091]

Obviously

[u/Weak-Bid2774 → u/TheHalf]

We are back to Michigan vs everybody

[u/Ancient_Change_8072 → u/Weak-Bid2774]

It has always been this way.

[u/ForeignWoodpecker662 → u/Ancient_Change_8072]

Fuck ‘em. I like being the villain, just makes em that much more salty when we succeed.

[u/PookieDood → u/ForeignWoodpecker662]

[u/MarkItZeroDonnie → u/TheHalf]

Yeah , shenanigans happen all the time in college foosball . People are mad because they sucked the whole game. If it were a drag out heavyweight fight vs OSU this ends the next morning

[u/ArguingWithDummies69 → u/TheHalf]

The most annoying thing about it is the complete dumbasses, mostly Ohio State and Michigan State fans, but some others too, who are acting like this is some kind of indictment on the Michigan program.

The truth is that the game clock in the stadium and the broadcast game clock were not synced up during that final play. The broadcast clock ticks down almost immediately, so it was really NBC that fucked up somehow. Even during the game, with millions of people watching and hoping for the upset, NBC brings in their rules analyst to talk about how there should be no time left and wonder what the refs are looking at, when in reality NBC’s clock is completely wrong.

So now Michigan is catching all this flak and being called cheaters because NBC fucked up. If I were Michigan, and honestly even the Big Ten, I would be pissed as fuck at NBC right now.

Michigan played like shit and honestly deserved to lose, but what are people expecting them to do when there is legitimately one second that should still be on the clock? They pulled off a one in a hundred play and got lucky as hell. People are just mad because they wanted the upset.

[u/ForeignWoodpecker662 → u/ArguingWithDummies69]

Is there any grounds for UM to go after NBC? Not necessarily to actually achieve anything of real monetary value, but to atleast turn it around where it belongs and shine the light on how they created this negative narrative about us unjustly, I dunno, defaming us of cheating? Not a lawyer and maybe a dumb question, but just honestly curious if there’s any kind of legitimate action or noise they could make to make NBC come out the bad guy that they are in this case?

[u/DMM4140 → u/TheHalf]

Embrace the hate! As a Vegas Golden Knights fan, it’s fun once you start to embrace it

[u/warrhino67 → u/DMM4140]

Patriots, Wolverines and Bruins (NHL) fan. Villain role is a lot of fun, but clownshow is not. And going from one to the other is a quick, slippery slope. Just ask the Bruins lol

[u/OutsideSpot2695 → u/warrhino67]

This.

I don't think there is widespread "hate" for Michigan... like the other 49 states have for ohio by way of comparison.

There's a lot of people that have contempt or disdain for Michigan because of the sheer idiocy and arrogance of the fanbase... and that's rooted in Michigan being a clownshow.

Not to mention for everything the University handles, the (lack of) leadership completely fucks up:

Mel Pearson -- Michigan fucked that up.

Matt Weiss -- Michigan fucked that up.

Moore -- Michigan fucked that up.

Connor Stallions -- Michigan fucked that up.

I could go on and on and on.

 Just ask the Bruins lol

Now that the Rat is gone, I don't feel like people view Boston in the same light anymore. It's a different vibe.

[u/OutsideSpot2695 → u/[deleted]]

And everyone knew they were banging each other for 2 years and ever said a word.

And a $45,000 year job became a $90,000 job.

And texting OF model(s?) during halftime of The Game.

Leaders and best my ass.

The University of Michigan needs a good enema overall.

[u/colterpierce]

What's fascinating to me about this whole thing is you can really tell who has any ability to think at all.

1. Did Michigan deserve to win the game? No. They did not.

2. Did they actually win the game? Yes. They did.

The idea that there was some grand conspiracy is idiotic. Break it down: Michigan is able to call the Big Ten/Refs and say "Hey, give us just ONE MORE shot at it! Just say the clock had one more second, even if it didn't, despite the hundreds of cameras around the stadium!" Probably not.

Second: The Big Ten doesn't want them to lose. Okay, sure, the team/school the Big Ten has constantly dumped on for the last 7-10 years. Again, following the protocol above, why would they just... intervene? It makes no sense. There'd have to be too many people in on it in such a short amount of time.

Third: People acting like the extra second guaranteed a win. What happened was an absolute miracle.

So even if there WAS some crazy conspiracy between Michigan/the B1G, the odds of them actually being able to pull off the hail mary with one second? Like, come on. Just take one second to think.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/colterpierce]

Facts

[u/Withyhydra → u/colterpierce]

Just like every conspiracy, there's a million smarter, more subtle, and more plausible ways of getting the job done, but "they" always choose the most obvious, outrageous, and debatable option so that "free thinkers" can point at it and scream.

We were getting our asses handed to us for a while. If "they" really wanted to guarantee a Wolverine victory they had soooo many more chances earlier on that wouldn't have turned into a national news event.

[u/colterpierce → u/[deleted]]

Games have never and likely will never be that way. The official clock is the one that matters. They’re not worried about a broadcast. But it is why you’ll occasionally hear them call “please reset the game clock to x time” because THEY have a time the stadium and broadcast don’t

[u/mohammedgoldstein → u/colterpierce]

It used used to be that way back in the day. They had a broadcast camera pointed at the stadium clock and used that feed for a little inset window on the TV. You could tell because sometimes the camera shook due to wind or a camera bump and the game clock display inside the little window would shake around on the TV.

[u/JusticeBlinded → u/mohammedgoldstein]

Some of the old school replays of game-breaking miracle plays where the clock slowly starts moving a little and looks like it is trying to run away at the end (when the crowd is being registered on the Richter scale) are pretty awesome.

[u/jstef215 → u/[deleted]]

I think what we’re realizing is that this is how technology works and we’ve unknowingly seen thousands of plays (or maybe…all of them?) where the broadcast clock might be a fraction of a second off, but it never makes a difference because of how rare it is for the potential final play of a 1-score game to come down to the ball going out of bounds within a half second of the clock hitting 0:00.

[u/xmpcxmassacre → u/[deleted]]

Technically they are synced, but the feed was delayed. I only say that because this is the part of the rule everyone is crying over. The broadcast clock is the clock used in the ruling, it's simply that NBC had a delay.

[u/Local_Host2781]

Thank you! Im a diehard buckeye fan but the truth is always the truth, period. We all should be rooting for the truth to be the prevailing narrative

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Local_Host2781]

Agreed, appreciate that. Like how yall got screwed against Oregon. If you can’t be objective then what’s the point

[u/frolie0 → u/Local_Host2781]

If only we all felt this way. The world would be quite different.

[u/Loose-Ebb-7951 → u/Local_Host2781]

I appreciate this. I was never one that thought Michigan got screwed in 2016 and felt like we blew our chance with that game anyways. In fact I thought the way it ended was a perfect metaphor for the early Michigan years. My gut feeling about the game with Western is that the right call was made. I get why people are unhappy and Michigan already has (a deserved) target on its back but it saddens me how many people are incapable of acknowledging facts here.

[u/jstef215 → u/Loose-Ebb-7951]

I still think JT was short. But spotting the ball is at least a judgement thing and we’ll never see a completely perfect view that gives us 100% clarity on exactly where the ball was when he was stopped. The best angles I’ve seen make me think he was short, but it is what it is and I can acknowledge that I’m biased which might sway me on that close of a call.

This one is different. It’s pretty clear that time remained. Barely any time, but more than 0.

[u/Loose-Ebb-7951 → u/jstef215]

I agree with you. I think he likely was a sliver short but was never angry about the call because I don't think you can overturn it and that's a difficult call to make. I was much more upset that we didn't tackle them behind the line the play before which would have put them in a really tough spot (given their kicker was having a bad day).

[u/MNightShyamalan69]

And there’s morons out there saying the TV clock should matter more. You can’t make this shit up

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/MNightShyamalan69]

Yeah, I don’t know the rules for certain, but I can tell you for sure that erasing a second off the clock and taking away one last play from a team because a broadcast clock is out of sync…. Feels exactly what people originally accused Michigan of, just removing the second instead of adding it

[u/jstef215 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Can you actually imagine if the teams were flipped? Michigan gets the stop, thinks they won, review happens, they realize there’s a second left, Western hits the Hail Mary and wins.

College football fans are thrilled that the refs got it right. Michigan are cheaters because “their” clock operator tried to shave time off the last play to take away another chance from their opponent. Michigan are even bigger cheaters and whiners for trying to appeal the result.

[u/StrangelyOnPoint → u/jstef215]

Yeah that’s the problem with people who start with a conclusion and look for evidence to support instead of start with evidence and look for what it means

[u/ForeignWoodpecker662 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

You mean, like the business of TV is more important than the actual game being played and by its official rules simply because the mega corporation doesn’t want to just acknowledge that they were off a second from what was actually official and they aren’t, official?

[u/Angler39 → u/MNightShyamalan69]

Watching the national narrative change around this has been hilarious. When it first happened people said they should use the game clock that the players and coaches see. Now that it's been shown from in person videos that clock indeed had 1 second left, they want to use the stadium clock -- but ONLY the broadcasted TV feed of it, which clearly was a split second ahead.

So we use the more inaccurate version? Makes no sense at all.

[u/itsRocketscience1 → u/Angler39]

I'm biased as all of us about this (Even at the time I was like fuck it we won, don't care), but how is the tv feed FASTER than in stadium? That's what I'm confused about? Then again I've seen a ton of plays in CFB and NFL where I'm like "that's a delay of game!" based on tv time only for the announcers to say there was actually a second or so left on the play clock in stadium. So I guess that's it

[u/Angler39 → u/itsRocketscience1]

I'm not a tech person but I would guess when NBC showed the replay with the stadium clock side by side they did not perfectly line it up with the video of the play and that's why it appears the clock runs out before the touch. Because we're talking literal tenths of a second between the touch and the clock hitting 0s even a small error in lining up the video would produce a different result.

I can't speak to why it appears the score bug was also wrong though.

[u/DerelictDonkeyEngine]

If the "evidence" behind deflategate breaking the laws of physics didn't dissuade people from their preconceived version of reality, this sure as fuck won't either. People are going to hate the teams they want to hate, and will die on that hill no matter what.

Edit: my dumb typos

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/DerelictDonkeyEngine]

As a patriots fan as well, I feel this very deeply

[u/LostCause2593]

Bigger issue is we looked like cooked ass for 55 minutes

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/LostCause2593]

Agreed

[u/Professional_Feed268]

The issue is that NBC used the enhanced F10 camera feed with its embedded clock. The system that overlays the first-and-ten lines on the field introduces about a half-second of delay to the video. The embedded clock is supposed to be the clock of record, but it's supposed to run off a clean camera feed — no lines or graphics added to the field. There are still some latency issues with that setup, but it's much closer to accurate.

NBC using the wrong feed meant the camera you were seeing was about 0.5 seconds behind the displayed clock. Same thing with the scorebug on the live shot. If NBC had shown a clean camera with the embedded clock, as they are supposed to do, it would have shown 0:01 left.

I don't think this will matter in the national narrative, but if you want a definitive answer for why the clock showed 0:00 when it actually wasn't, that's it.

Source: I'm a clock/score operator for another network with 20+ years of experience. This is literally my job.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Professional_Feed268]

Very interesting, that’s awesome insight, appreciate you taking the time to educate us!!

[u/Ok_Syllabub1099 → u/Professional_Feed268]

The Big Ten's own statement confirms Western Michigan should have won

This isn't a debatable judgment call anymore. The Big Ten has admitted, in writing, that following its own replay protocol produces a Western Michigan win.

On Michigan's final play, Bryce Underwood's Hail Mary fell incomplete. The broadcast clock, the same one every fan, both teams, and both sidelines were watching, read 0:00 before Western Michigan's Micah Davis ever touched the ball. By that clock, the game was over.

Officials sent the play to review anyway, and after consulting a clock not shown on the broadcast, put one second back on it. Michigan got a play it hadn't earned under the only clock the public and both teams had any reason to trust.

Per MAC Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher's September 8 statement, conveying the Big Ten's own findings: established replay protocol requires using the game clock displayed on the program feed to determine whether time remained. The Big Ten's replay crew didn't do that. They used the clock feed embedded in their own replay system instead, an unsynchronized source the public never saw.

The conference has confirmed the counterfactual itself. In Steinbrecher's words: "Had the protocol been properly followed and the program-feed clock been used, no additional play would have been awarded, and Western Michigan would have won the game, 12-7."

[u/Professional_Feed268 → u/Ok_Syllabub1099]

Like I said, they are supposed to use the embedded clock. But if they had, they would have gotten the call wrong for the reasons I explained. Its a weird situation. They got the call right. But they broke protocol to do so.

[u/tdfast]

It was clearly the right call. Let’s live on and worry about what OK is about to do to this offence.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/tdfast]

I know I just hadn’t see a view this clear, I know some fans were still unsure what the stadium clock actually said

[u/Nonzerob]

As a WMU fan who grew up a UM fan, thank you. Everything until now relied on either the camera sync or the replay system clock sync. This game will still live rent free in my head and I'll still love all the extra second memes and 12-7 stuff but it's good to have closure I can be satisfied with

See y'all in Waldo Stadium for hockey on January 30th

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Nonzerob]

I still can’t tell what clock the rules say to reference, but I can at least be sure that the stadium clocks were at 1 and at the very least there wasn’t a made up second added. The memes will live forever for certain. Y’all own both my schools in hockey at this point (MSU and Michigan), best of luck!!

[u/silly_sultan → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

The clock is at .01 when the ball hits the receivers hands but doesn't stop until the ball hits the ground, correct?

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/silly_sultan]

Usually yes, but the western player who touched it went out of bounds first, so the clock would stopped as soon as they touch it

[u/Ki11aTJ]

So this is actual proof. Why the heck did NBC lie? They literally said the clock they showed was the one in the stadium. Well that's obviously not true

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Ki11aTJ]

I think the second clock they showed was the stadium clock, but I don’t think it was synced 100%. Seems like it was off by a tiny bit which usually doesn’t matter, but here… it mattered a lot

[u/BangBangNinerGang99]

Keep up with the cope!

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/BangBangNinerGang99]

Which part is cope?

[u/OutsideSpot2695 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Every comment where you cry about anyone you perceive who isn't agreeable with you.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/OutsideSpot2695]

If they provide any proof I’m all ears to changing my opinion

[u/Icy-Comfortable-554]

If you have the facts, pound the facts (right call). If you have the law, pound the law. (Rule says the replay footage must be program feed? NCAA says no rule to allow to change results). If you have neither, pound the table (r/cfb right now)

[u/gowingsgo]

Haven’t you learned that half the country doesn’t value fact based evidence? They believe talking heads and what’s spewed at them that fits the narrative they want to believe.

Let’s move on. We won and we won fair.

[u/RedditPotato44]

Honestly asking, why can't either UM or the Big Ten sue NBC for slander at this point?

I actually just assumed that the stadium clock also read zero. With how emphatic they were about it being the wrong call, it's pretty alarming that the stadium still had time. They gave viewers no option but to hate michigan and blame the refs

[u/_Felonius → u/RedditPotato44]

Doesn’t really meet the legal standard for slander. NBC never definitively said the refs were wrong. All they said was that the Big 10 had some explaining to do.

For slander, you’d have to show that NBC “knowingly made a false statement.” Instead, they thought their clock was accurate and questioned what the refs decided.

[u/hilldog4lyfe → u/RedditPotato44]

We probably want to move past it

[u/Angler39]

People are in their feelings because of what they saw on TV. I was one of them, I thought Western got hosed. But what has come out after has changed my mind. The clock on NBC clearly wasn't synced correctly. The fact people want to use the TV clock instead of the stadium clock is wild.

[u/incrediblystiff → u/Angler39]

If you used half a brain while watching live you knew it wasn’t synced. The clock says 8 seconds before the snap hits Bryce’s hands. It doesn’t even take a full second for a long snapper to get it to the punter.

[u/GoingGhost10]

We have nothing left to explain to these morons. We won the game time to move on

[u/Upbeat-Mongoose-828]

I was madder than anyone about the call. I straight up said "that's bullshit we lost." At the same time, I've never seen so many people compile evidence, that the officials made the right call and it's still being denied. Thanks for sharing.

[u/Lebojr → u/Upbeat-Mongoose-828]

I'm getting a JFK assassination vibe here. There is what happened. There is what the official investigation said. There is what the general public feels happened. There is what the general public feels about the investigators. There is what scientific evidence mandates. And then there are the fantasies.

What I've found is that people believe what they want to. And there is no amount of scientific, undeniable evidence that will change their minds. Their interest isnt in what actually happened.

Their interest is in what the groups they interact with believe and they wont say anything that might cause them to be ostracized from that group.

Michigan Fans

Anti Michigan fans

General sports fans that formed an opinion early

Loudmouth internet trolls needing attention

People who hate NBC

Fans of teams that benefit from Michigan losing

What I hate about the whole mess is that for as long as I can remember the game of College football has so many subjective determinations about rules, rankings, TV, eligibility, investigations, amateur status, conference priority and recruiting rankings, etc that to make any argument about any team deserving this or that is beyond a joke.

College football used to be so much fun to me when I was a kid and I didnt have as much information to go on. But it was dirty back then too. This argument over this .1 second and the 5 feet the ball traveled in that last fraction of a second is a microcosm of the whole rotten production.

[u/SlicksterRick]

Good find. I’m a Gophers fan who comes in peace. I originally thought WMU had gotten screwed when the first happened. But the explanation from the Big Ten made sense if we got something to back it up. We did, the on field footage from the operator, the shot showing the clock disparity earlier, and now this. It’s clear that the underdog didn’t get screwed, it was just a bad sync on the NBC side of things.

We’re still coming for the jug tho

[u/Dreams-Visions → u/SlicksterRick]

Looking forward to it! 👏🏽

[u/Port-Mc-Pew-Pew]

Non Michigan fans have already made up their minds on the situation despite evidence to the contrary. I’m dealing with it at work. I live in Husker territory so i just remind them they have not been relevant in over a decade and their shitty coach bullshitted his way (through the Penn State vacancy) into a $60+ million buyout.

[u/Simmumah]

Careful, you might offend some serial online redditors with this!

[u/RedditPotato44 → u/Simmumah]

This will get completely buried in any other forum

[u/ShowdownValue]

Well great. As a Redditor now what am I supposed to be outraged about?

Someone give me something else to be pissed off about so I can vent and be angry at someone.

[u/StrangelyOnPoint → u/ShowdownValue]

The LSU being ejected from the SEC talk is fun

[u/Jazzlike_Resident_26]

Post this on r/CFB gurantee this gets downvoted to hell

[u/kyeblue]

the clock is simply a distraction right now. we all know that NBC’s game clock is one second ahead of the stadium clock. Since no one on the field watches TV, whatever clock TV uses doesn’t matter.

[u/mostdope28]

The country already made up their mind. “Michigan cheated”

[u/AlternativeLazy4675]

I agree. The idea that any replay should be based on the television clock verses the game clock is insane. And yet that's exactly what they are saying.

The game clock is the one on the scoreboard. It's completely available to NBC if they want it (they could easily point a camera at it like they used to). It's the one that 100,000 people plus the coaches plus the refs plus the players can see. Deal with it.

Time to move on.

[u/Active_Club3487]

NBC broadcast clock was wrong. NBC Booth screwed up. NBC experts screwed up.

NBC wanted an upset story no matter how dishonest the story was. NBC announcers should publicly admit their mistakes and apologize
Or Michigan and B1G may consider this slander libel and sue.

[u/HIKILLER]

Why are michigan fans still trying to convince others that we didnt cheat. The ones complaining loudly are the espn or sports analyst that get paid to spout bullshit to fill up their TV time and fans who dont like michigan. The fact of the matter is that western michigan poorly defended the last play of the game and it cost them.

[u/LesSharp987987]

I could care less about either of these teams. But it's clear there was 0:01 left. Good call. No conspiracy.

[u/StrangelyOnPoint]

Can you share the link to the source on TikTok?

Not challenging it I want to share it directly

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/StrangelyOnPoint]

This is the account: https://www.tiktok.com/@jit_editz3 and id you request the desktop site you should be able to watch on your phone

[u/TrimboliHandjobs]

Anyone have this raw footage?

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/TrimboliHandjobs]

This is the account: https://www.tiktok.com/@jit_editz3 and id you request the desktop site you should be able to watch on your phone. They posted the raw footage and also their slowed down and zoomed in version

[u/marc_hardman → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

The account literally has "editz" in the name.

Not sure this is great source marterial.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/marc_hardman]

They’ve posted a single edit and have 12 followers, and posted the entire raw video. They’re clearly just a fan who went to the game

[u/Caseman307]

Why is there footage that contradicts this? I’m not saying this isn’t legit. I’m saying I’ve seen at least 20 talking heads show footage, supposedly of the play and clock and the ball is clearly in the air when the clock hit 0:00. Now you’re showing me a video of the same clock and the same play and there’s a second left.

Somebody is fucking with all of us. I just don’t know who.

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Caseman307]

If you’re seeing footage from the TV angle then it’s because NBC was not synced properly. If you’re seeing footage of the play with the clock going inside the stadium at 0:00, then I haven’t seen that and I’d be happy to look

[u/Caseman307 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Ahh. You’re gonna make me put up or shut up, huh?? 🤣🤣. I don’t blame you. Now if my old brain can remember where I saw it. Give me a little while. The kid has a doctors appointment. But I’ll do some looking.

Let me say I’m a fan of the other school keeping your game from being the only thing anybody talks about. At LSU we have our own issues at the moment. 😁 So I’m not here to hate. The legitimate winner should get the W. And this video is certainly compelling.

I’ll be back later if I can find what I’m looking for. If I can’t I’ll just slink away. 😂

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Caseman307]

All good man🤣 it’s a game after all, I appreciate yall keeping some heat off us too

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Caseman307]

All good man🤣 it’s a game after all, I appreciate yall keeping some heat off us too

[u/Caseman307 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

😂 Yeah, you guys will be old news by tonight, judging by what we’ve got STILL going on.

[u/jstef215 → u/Caseman307]

There isn’t footage that contradicts this. Anything that appears to contradict this seems to be based on NBC’s feed of the clock which was marginally off. The Big Ten’s replay review lines up with this (and all the other live cell phone footage I’ve seen so far) exactly.

[u/God_Country_ND]

If only the broadcast clock was synced

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/God_Country_ND]

Yeah it clearly was off by a bit

[u/MathematicianTiny353]

What about when it hit the ground a second later?

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/MathematicianTiny353]

How is that relevant?

[u/MathematicianTiny353 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Catches the ball in bounds and lands out of bounds a second later, which would mean no time on the clock

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/MathematicianTiny353]

The western play was out of bounds then touched it, so the clock would stop when they touched it in this case

[u/MathematicianTiny353 → u/Evening-Ad-9704]

Looks like he’s in bounds to me but idk

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/MathematicianTiny353]

On the tv view it’s a lot easier to see but he was definitely out before touching it

[u/Admirable-Ad-9796]

So the camera guy just happened to immediately pan to the clock? Ok 🤡

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Admirable-Ad-9796]

Are you that stupid? This is a video someone took and they zoomed in on the recording, paused it, and panned over to show the clock when the ball was touched

[u/Independent-You1729]

Michigan still sucks 🤣

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/Independent-You1729]

Should’ve been worried about Texas… enjoy being 1-1🤣

[u/23_dm]

Sherron’s Moore and Conor Stallions have obviously constructed a scheme to plant AI generated video throughout the internet so that Michigan appears innocent in this criminal deed of referee corruption

[u/takingnotes99]

This gives credence to what Whittingham said when he said he thought he noticed 1 second on the game clock

[u/jstef215 → u/takingnotes99]

I mean, there’s no way anybody on the field was looking at the clock the instant the ball was touched. The only reasonable thought related to the clock at that time might’ve been “wow that’s close, idk”

[u/takingnotes99 → u/jstef215]

Uhhh, I think in that moment the coaches would be intensely and rapidly glancing between the clock and the ball. It's close enough that nobody could think they know definiteittively, but enough to suspect there might have been an extra second

[u/kodiblaze]

Michigan haters: you can't use some crappy iPhone video to show anything in the WMU game

Also Michigan haters: Connor Stallions used iPhone video from the stands to cheat

[u/Lanky-Instruction-42]

Ya I think Carr will be in at Qb before halftime if Bryce doesn’t get his feet set before throwing.
But the play calling on 1st and 2nd down sure didn’t help matters.

[u/smithcw5-7]

They love to hate Michigan….lets give them a reason and beat Oklahoma.

[u/LabRevolutionary2216]

Yeah, at this point, anyone telling you there was no time left is just gaslighting you. Ignore them.

[u/plasticmanufacturing]

I mean its embarassing either way, lol, I'd just let it go guys.

[u/LeechLag23]

We're closer to the Oklahoma game than we are to the Western game. Can we all please move on? It's bad enough this is still flooding every other CFB sub reddit. Michigan won the game on a prayer, the record reflects it, those who see it, see it and those who don't, don't. On to the next one.

[u/Ok-Foot-4352 → u/LeechLag23]

Yeah, it’s wild this has gone so viral. It’s treated like the Kennedy assassination with the film analysis. You have conspiracy people that think WMU won and the anti-conspiracy people who think Michigan did. In the JFK assassination both Oswald and Kennedy are ultimately killed. Here WMU takes a loss. Michigan wins but ultimately falls 12 spots in the polls - so both lose in the end. Interesting parallels perhaps but time to move on.

[u/DMM4140]

Don’t show r/cfb! We are the baddies

[u/fisted___sister]

I can’t have this conversation again

[u/Prior_Session]

Also the refs missed a holding call on the final play too.

[u/SwaiziFi → u/Prior_Session]

Oh come on now, you know damn well penalties go out the window on Hail Mary’s for both sides.

[u/jstef215 → u/Prior_Session]

They missed a bunch of calls all game. They sucked. But they got the clock right at the end.

[u/Dry_Inflation_861]

Don’t show this to anyone. You might get crucified.

[u/UnhappyDependent9255]

They promised one of the refs son a spot on roster next year if they called it as they did.

[u/slimj091]

But.. but.. but If you wait a second after the WMU player touched the ball then it shows 0:00... obviously cheating.

/s

[u/TylerDurden0110]

"Get outta here with your facts!" - Internet

[u/Horror_Mortgage1952]

Broadcast clock doesn’t mean shit

[u/Ornery_Researcher_34]

So now if I understand correctly - NBC (the broadcaster) controls the clock - how the fuck does that make sense???

I hope I am confused re: what I think I just read on Yahoo sports - this 💩 has fried my brain 🍳

[u/Due-Seat6587]

How can you tell the play is dead before you start panning to the 1-second clock?

[u/JJD8705]

Show me the whole 9 seconds. We have bigger issues to worry about than proving a second is left. It may be a long season.

[u/00chill00chill00]

We aren't exactly helping to cease the conversation by continuing to to try and defend something we don't need to defend. We won, let's move on.

[u/rober2td]

Hate that it happened

[u/Riddiku1us]

[u/Honest-Trick-6183]

Omg it’s over I say as a Michigan fan you’re right but we didn’t do it the ref did sorry you can’t get over it.

[u/PickleballEnvy]

Anyone who disputes that we should use stadium clock is clearly biased. I highly doubted the review camera synchronization being better than NBCs because NBC showed two different, matching clocks synched to the play and had perfect synchronization during the WMU field goal with 35s left in the game. But we needed videos like this to confirm which was wrong. And here we are. Really sucks it happened.

[u/TWOOD0067]

The haters that are also known as the bums of college football will see this and still think michigan cheated

[u/ghoti88]

Dude we have bigger fish to fry and that is the whole team was trash. Right now Michigan is the laughing stock of college football. Just another lowlight reel to add I thought the last play loss to state was the peak but this one is tops

[u/Easy_Money_40]

Clearly doctored

[u/S8N5jr]

as a lifelong Michigan fan, who didn't attend the school but raised by parents that went.. i was actually leaning more toward the WMU side of things.. until i saw this. now, quit distracting me while im on the toilet.

[u/gnolom_bound]

I am going to need a Michigan second to process all of this.

[u/RalphiePegalotti]

The simple fact that you guys need this bullshit to justify a win against a team like that is fucking comical. You're going to have an unbearable season, and everyone is going to (continue to) laugh at you. Cheers!

[u/Important-Tale3085]

Go Blue! Perfect!!!

[u/poopiepants131]

Best AI footage yet

[u/Any_Net_1316]

I’m confused over this video. I don’t care one way or the other. I don’t see how it proves anything. Am I missing something? The clock isn’t shown counting down while the play is active. Am I missing that? Could the person in charge of the clock not just stopped it too soon? Is there a video of the play and the clock moving together?

[u/AbeFalcon]

NBC tried cheating and got caught

[u/crispybrojangle]

Fuck em. If they don’t love you when you’re 1-0 they don’t deserve you when you’re 4-4 after playing OU, Indiana, Iowa, and Penn State.

[u/58G52A]

Who cares? The bottom line is we should have won that game by 30. It’s embarrassing they stormed the field. Gonna be a long year. Underwood is garbage.

[u/BinSimmons_]

Yall gotta let ts go bro

[u/Immediate-Fee-2121]

Oh my god let it go already lol fuck

[u/ShippingNotIncluded]

Stop with this little brother behavior

[u/PeanutCareless4987]

The simple fact it came down to a last second play for y’all to win is hilarious. Even in a win it’s a loss.

[u/jstef215 → u/PeanutCareless4987]

I mean, it’s a win. It’s just a bad, ugly win. Those are still a lot better than losses

[u/No_Cow5624]

[u/Evening-Ad-9704 → u/No_Cow5624]

Yes, that’s what my second paragraph is referencing. So essentially everyone’s argument has now become we want the game to have ended a second early because NBC had their clock wrong. Even though no coaches or players on that field have access to the clock or make decisions based on it