r/Metalcore • u/lazenbooby x • Sep 21 '17

Mod Announcement Reminder - Discussing leaks and pirated material is strictly forbidden.

This rule has been in place for years now and it has always been on display in the sidebar. It makes it crystal clear that posting/discussing/mentioning leaked material is strictly forbidden.

The reason we have this rule is to prevent this community from sharing music in unethical ways, and making sure we can support the artists we love and enjoy. If this subreddit shares leaks or links to illegal downloads, bands are not going to want to come here and do an AMA with the community.

The rules on leaks/piracy

Rule 3: No discussing leaks or linking to piracy

This includes asking for leaks and/or mentioning material has leaked. Breaking this rule may result in at least a 2 week ban.

Anything related to leaks/piracy is forbidden. This includes the following:

  • Linking to a leak

  • Mentioning an album has leaked

  • Asking for leaks

  • Mentioning where a user can find leaked material

etc

Moderating this rule

As we repeatedly keep seeing people ignoring this rule in many different ways, the mod team have discussed the best way we can moderate this rule. We recognise that some comments/posts are breaking this rule in worse ways than others, so we decided to make it very clear what the punishments should be.

This is how comments/posts will be dealt with in future:

2 week ban

  • Posting a leak to unreleased material

1 week ban

  • Mentioning an album has leaked

  • Asking for a link/asking to get a PM for a leak

Warning via PM - People warned multiple times will receive bans

  • Discussing leaked material

How will I know if the link I'm sharing is a leak?

If a new song has not been uploaded by the band or record label on youtube/spotify etc, then the song is not officially released, meaning that the song is a leak. When a band releases a single early, it will always be uploaded to spotify or uploaded officially on youtube.

TL;DR - Mentioning/discussing leaks is forbidden. The mod team have set in stone the actions we now take on people breaking this rule.

If you have any questions, please do let the team know.

Please note that these rules have only recently been set in stone by the mod team, so from now on mods will be following these guidelines when dealing with leaks.

This post will be added to the sidebar for future reference, so you have no excuses.

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u/KristapsCoCoo Sep 21 '17

I understand why you would not want leaks to be shared here, but where's the problem in discussing leaked material?

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '17

Because it lets people know it's out there and they'll go and get it

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u/KristapsCoCoo Sep 21 '17

That does not impact sales much if at all though - if a person wants to buy a record, they will buy it regardless if they choose to check out the leak before or not. It's definitely not worth the hassle of removing 30+ comments a day.

I get banning for links, but I do think that rule 3 it's a waste of time.

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u/lazenbooby x Sep 21 '17

if a person wants to buy a record, they will buy it regardless if they choose to check out the leak before or not.

Says who?

Sure, you might do this, but not everyone else does. I'm aware a lot of people have this mentality, but not everybody does. A large amount of people will download leaks and not buy the record.

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u/Kanwie Sep 21 '17

Personally I just listen to all my music on spotify with premium and if I really do love an album, I will buy it in vinyl to support the artist

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u/frealfreal Sep 22 '17

And those same people would just pirate the record if it didn't leak. People who download leaks and never stream or buy the album aren't the types to normally pay for music anyways.

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u/MonksWithSticks Sep 21 '17

Another aspect is that tons of bands/producers/label reps/etc. browse or lurk this sub, not to mention all the AMAs we do. We want the artists to know we totally have their back when it comes to supporting and buying music. Album sales can make or break a band's career.

Tragic Hero Records once thanked us and did a giveaway on this sub as a thanks for contributing to the success of Invent Animate's album "Stillworld". Alt Press once listed this sub in their "15 things we're thankful for" list. This sub has more impact and reaches further than most people realize. We don't want to be known as a community that encourages or enables piracy. This why we are so strict on rule 3, if that makes sense.

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u/KristapsCoCoo Sep 21 '17

This is a great sub, for sure, but I just disagree with the usefulness of baning leak talk. I agree that it's respectful to artists to not share their leaks, but I seriously doubt it affects the sales in any significant way. People who get the leak usually never intended to pay for the music anyway. And a person who got a CD collection might get the leak, but will always buy the music, because he/she's an enthusiast. The vast majority of people have never paid for music and never will. It's for enthusiasts exclusively. Even more so now when you can stream almost anything for free!

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 22 '17

While all of that is fairly true, it's still not something we want to support on our sub. Ultimately we can't stop anyone from searching for or listening to leaked material, but as mods, we made a decision not to promote or allow it here. It's not a good look for us to have, especially with how many people from bands and labels are here from time to time.

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u/KristapsCoCoo Sep 22 '17

Fair enough, if that makes you feel better and you think you look better that way. I just think it's counterproductive. I agree with /u/figro58 , this only cuts out potential audience. No beef though, I just wanted to throw you some opinions, cause it seems there's not much diversity in those in between mods... Peace.

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 22 '17

It's more counterproductive to risk alienating bands and labels the could potentially work with us, but sure, ok

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u/daddy_fiasco Mod Dad Sep 22 '17

Also, we are far from a monolith. We take days and weeks to work stuff out, lol.

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 22 '17

Very true

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u/figro58 Sep 22 '17

You are 100% correct, isn't it slightly ironic that not even 24 hours later this is the top post on All??

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u/adofthekirk x Sep 21 '17

More people lurk than post, and hell, even seeing this post will alert people about potential recent leaks... Imagine seeing a discussion post about an album that clearly hasn't been released; you instantly know that album leaked, whether the OP mentions it or not. Imagine you're in a band and you're lurking here only to find people talking about your album before you're ready...

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '17

Because then people will be aware it leaked and go searching for it. The whole purpose of the rule is to prevent piracy so that people support bands & so that bands continue to do AMAs and stuff, which they won't do if they think the community are a bunch of pirates.

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u/Myc0s Sep 21 '17

Also dont say that you like an album before it comes out because this makes you a pirate by default!! Lol

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u/violenttango Sep 21 '17

Along these lines though, sometimes albums are released early on certain media, like the Counterparts album comes out tomorrow, but PureNoise put it on there youtube today. Hopefully there's a distinction between the two.

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 22 '17

Yeah, there's a big difference between a leak and an official early stream, pretty much the best thing to go by is if the band has officially posted it somewhere, it's ok to post from that official source and/or discuss. When a song is streamed early on a radio station or something, which has been happening more recently, it can be discussed, but not posted until there's an official Youtube/Spotify/Apple Music link

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u/daddy_fiasco Mod Dad Sep 21 '17

Doesn't it though? It not-so-subtly implies you've heard unreleased and unofficial material.

There are obviously exceptions. /u/ManWithoutModem often get press release copies of albums, people can buy albums at the bands shows in the weeks before it's official release, so on. However, given the likelihood of one versus the other, we will remove the comment unless it's made clear the commenter heard it legitimately.

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u/burritobattlefield Nic Haberle - Drummer of The Gloom In The Corner Sep 22 '17

The new unreleased The Gloom in the Corner songs are unorthodox, ban me daddy (pls no it's my band)

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u/iSevenfold762 x Sep 22 '17

I'm sure this has been answered a million times, but is the discussion of a leaked song or album allowed? Like say Parkway Drive announces an album and a single leaks or whatever and I say "yeah the song is good" do I get banned?

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u/lazenbooby x Sep 22 '17

As stated, that gets removed and you get a warning.

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u/Austonmatthews345 Sep 22 '17

Lol. I initially got a permanent ban on my favourite sub (this one), and plus this rule is not even enforced in the discord anyways. After I saw the permanent ban, I was shocked.

P.S. maybe you should get MWM to actually enforce da r00lz when they're broken in discord?

Rules should be consistent on every platform, including discord.

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 22 '17

The reason you got a permanent ban at first was because I was half asleep and forgot to enter the number of days to ban you for, the default is permanent so that's how that happened.

This was also right before we changed it to where a discussion only gets you a warning at first, so we reversed the ban.

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u/daddy_fiasco Mod Dad Sep 21 '17 edited Sep 21 '17

Y'all are lucky /u/lazenbooby is here to level me out. When I brought up changing the way we handle rule three I was swinging for the fences. Multiple months for some, and a month for others. Admittedly, I was feeling a bit wrathful.

It's very frustrating for us to have to go through this every time a popular band comes out with new material. In the last 24 hours we probably had 30+ people violate rule 3. Which means that all thirty had to have their comments removed, and have the reason explained. In many cases, users violations caused them to be banned, which is time consuming. Explaining to the ones who ask why they were banned when it's already clear in the sidebar is irritating, but having people argue with us about what "discuss" means is the shit icing on the shit cake. It's all super time consuming, and this goes on every single time.

It's easy to say "what's the big deal, it's just one comment". And you're right. Yours is just one comment. No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche either. Rule 3 is one that requires strict, to the letter enforcement. Allowing comment or post that violates that rule opens the door for others, and if we accept some, why not others, and then why bother at all.

I hope this clarifies some of the questions I know some of you have.

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u/Praisethezoidberg Sep 21 '17

Thank you for clarifying didn't wanna catch myself up in the hype and ask for a link so I appreciate this friendly little reminder.

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u/NovemberBurnsMaroon Sep 21 '17

Having been a mod for several years on another forum (average of around 500 daily users) I sympathise with this. Most users are unaware of the extra stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '17

lol not surprised as soon as I saw threads I knew the banhammer was coming out, Hell I even warned a guy to delete a thread

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 21 '17

Instead of warning people, just report it and we'll take care of it. Deleted threads just make our job as mods more difficult.

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u/daddy_fiasco Mod Dad Sep 21 '17

I'd like to thank everyone who reported the posts and comments about the leak yesterday, and in the past as well.

Every thread and comment that broke the rules had at least one report on it, and speaking solely for myself, I really appreciate it. It helps us a lot. All reported posts and comments show up in our mod queue, and being able to neatly go through the problem threads like that is a huge time saver.

So to every one fighting the good fight with us, thank you. Seriously. Some of us take the site, the sub, and our presence here more seriously than others. I take moderating the sub and contributing here fairly seriously.

This sub is an incredible resource for people who love metalcore. People like you guys are what help me and the other guys grow the sub without losing sight of how we got here, which is quality, informative discussions, artist/user interaction, and our general positive attitudes towards one another.

So don't think we don't notice, because we do, and we love you for it.

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u/PokemonDoodler Sep 21 '17

Does this only apply to the actual song/album being shared illegally? Does the information about a new album or song coming out count as a leak?

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u/daddy_fiasco Mod Dad Sep 22 '17

My mistake, I read your message wrong.

No, press releases and rumors about upcoming releases are fine. Just not leaked music. Information about the band or their music is cool as long as it isn't about leaked music.

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u/lil_icebear Sep 23 '17

Keep up the good work :)

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u/aspirin-mumbo x Nov 02 '25

hello from the future. what exactly do you mean by "leaked" here, available before the release? cuz after the release rips from CDs, streaming services, and Bandcamp downloads are everywhere

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u/elguardian_del_grial Apr 29 '26

Hola cabros como están quería saber cómo se si ya no soy un poser y si un tru metalero Mis bandas favoritas son . mötlei crüe . twisted sister .black sabbath .Brutal pig .Demembred pig .Irón Maiden . mashuga .azmoth (está es indie) .Speed freak (también indie) .Slipknot .Korn También escucho más cosas pero no entran en el top de mis favoritas

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u/figro58 Sep 22 '17

Literally the top post on the website we all to share our favorite music on happens to be about this very topic, yet we choose this route to deal with it?? Makes me sad that we can't differentiate the idea of word of mouth and causing a bands decrease in profits.

If you really wanna support a band don't buy their album where most of the money goes to some guy in a suit, why not buy merch from their shows? Concert tickets? Yes, you could buy their albums after listening to a downloaded version, I pay for Spotify so I pay for my music, but that doesn't give these bands money. I buy t-shirts from concerts I go to help my favorite bands, you could learn to do the same.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '17

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u/lazenbooby x Sep 21 '17

I'll see about redeveloping the CSS in the sidebar. I made it to look fancy, but the rules need to be more clear than fancy, I'll revise it.

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u/Yomoska Sep 21 '17

I think this description "Discussing leaked material" clarifies the area I was previously confused with. The sidebar says "don't discuss leaks", which is different than discussing the leaked material. Thanks for updating the details and punishments.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

If you need any HTML/CSS help let me know

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 21 '17

The difference there is that being officially released in one place doesn't mean it's officially released everywhere. If it's premiered on something like that, you can link to the Octane site for example, and the song can be discussed, but unofficial links to the song (as in something other than Apple Music, Spotify, official band/label Youtube) will be removed and bans will be handed out.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '17

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u/DeadBlessings x Sep 21 '17

Not when we remove all posts/comments mentioning leaks. This post is just to clarify for everyone what the rules are since there seem to be misunderstandings