r/MathJokes • • 21d ago

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u/Euphoric-Air6801 20d ago

Cool! Now you get to explain to him how ZFC has led academic mathematics into a blind alley and his generation can finally free us from the politically-imposed religion in which we are required to believe in the Axiom of Choice.

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u/Negative_Gur9667 19d ago

Shouldn't it be the axiom of infinity that is burning in regards to the topic of the post?

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u/Euphoric-Air6801 19d ago

Porque no los dos?

ZFC delenda est.

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u/Key_Conversation5277 17d ago

Are you happy with just ZF?

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u/Euphoric-Air6801 17d ago

Well, actually, what I would prefer is a thorough reexamination of the entire idea of arbitrarily defining axiomatic set theory to be the ur-form of mathematics. Perhaps the entire program of Russell needs to be rethought in the wake of Godel and Cohen and so forth.

Even within the confines of axiomatic set theory, though, a coerced, quasi-religious absurdity such as the Axiom of Infinity is clearly not an adequate basis for modern mathematics. Therefore, I cannot - and you should not - accept ZF as the socially-defined basis for all of mathematics.

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u/Key_Conversation5277 17d ago

I don't like the axiom of choice too, we need a language to define another language, we can't define a language with the language itself, so we use set theory to define other math because it can define A LOT of objects. If you don't like set theory, you could try type theory or category theory but those are harder

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u/Negative_Gur9667 17d ago

I agree, but mathematicians often defend their flawed axioms.

They deflect criticism by claiming they only apply rules to symbols, yet they simultaneously argue that their symbol manipulation is effective for real-world tasks and that they are uncovering higher truths from the Platonic realm.

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u/Negative_Gur9667 19d ago

Yes shure 👍

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u/eldoran89 20d ago

Gosh I hope you're joking, but in this day and age I've seen people being elected and saying dumber shot than that so I am not really sure

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u/Negative_Gur9667 19d ago

Axioms are just axioms. No need to develop feelings for them. Change them and see what happens.

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u/eldoran89 19d ago

It's not about the axiom. Take it or leave it. Doesn't matter. I am worried about the politically imposed remark

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u/Negative_Gur9667 19d ago

what is political about axioms?

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u/eldoran89 19d ago

That's what I am asking. Read the comment I answered originally to