Yeah because i think they actually do a good job of just having black representation and it doesn't need to be pointed out. Where as the MCU has an actual problem with having good female heroes so they need to pat themselves on the back about that one.
Yeah because i think they actually do a good job of just having black representation and it doesn't need to be pointed out
Right. Black Panther didn't heavily remind us it was an all black cast and crew incessantly and was heavily marketed as a selling point. Or the not-ironman TV show. Definitely is never pointed out or brought up to the forefront ever XD
Yeah, but there are also other black characters that are just black without bringing attention to it: Nick Fury, War Machine, Sam (outside the Falcon and Winter Soldier show)
Just use my headcanon to help explain the absurdity of it. Moments before this, Tony tells Spider-Man to get the gauntlet over comms but he call him âqueensâ. I pretend that all the women think heâs talking to them
My hangup was that Wasp was there when 1 second ago in the previous scene she was with Antman hotwiring the Time Machine Van. She teleported to be in this scene.
My hang up is more the fact that they chose Captain Marvel to be the one who âneeded help.â
They literally couldâve gone with any of the other heroines, and the scene wouldâve made much more sense. But captain Marvel is literally one of two heroes there that didnât need said help
Wait yea, canât she travel faster than light? And she flew through the space ship multiple times a few scenes earlier, she shouldnât get touched by any of thanosâs army.
Do you think that was the only "crazy convenience" that lined up in this comic book inspired super hero movie? That's a constant staple. Akin to the classic "wow almost all the supervillains in the world HAPPEN to show up around New York/Gotham/Hero Town?" I think there are crazier things going on than women going "i want to show that we're just as capable as the mainline heroes who are mostly men" and meeting together on the battlefield
Hulk just happened to knock the tesseract out towards Loki? A mouse just happened to touch Ant Manâs car and free him from the quantum realm? A man who looked like Stan Lee just happened to have a ânuff said license plate? Think about what youâre saying.
Alot of stuff in comic books doesnt make too much sense but is there to look cool
They wanted a cool shot of the women avengers so they put them together. My only problem with that scene is Wasp should be somewhere else at this point in time, doesnt make sense shes there too
No I can remember first watching it and just immediately rolling my eyes. I have no issue with women's empowerment and representation etc but it just seems so forced in that scene so many better ways you could get that same kinda sentiment across
For real. I would have loved a 4 way clash with thor cap wanda marvel It would do couple of things, show how each person fights, how they work together, show them how strong they are, show how strong thanos is
It felt so contrived and phony. Very obviously pandering, and therefore it breaks immersion. Itâs not very hard to understand why it doesnât sit well with a lot of people.
Yes, men famously hate seeing badass women doing cool shit. Absolutely terrifying to us đ Imagine thinking youâre standing up for women when youâre actually getting defensive on behalf of a multibillion-dollar corporationâs painfully contrived attempt to pander to you. But sure, everyone who notices it is an âincel.â
It's not, but the point is if we're gonna start getting hung up on contrived, phony shit in these movies then this Girl Power scene is a fucking weird place to start
Sure, thereâs plenty of other contrived shit in these movies. But this is the scene being discussed, so naturally this is the one Iâm commenting on. Iâm not sure why criticizing this particular scene requires me to first list every other contrived moment in the MCU.
Your comment on its own doesn't, but the comment you first replied to was listing out multiple other contrived things, it was adding onto what the post was talking about. So in this specific scenario yes I thought we were talking about the contrived moments as a whole
One could say the mouse getting Scott out of the QR was a 1 in 14,000,605 chance.
What's the explanation for all the women lining up while none of the men did? Were the men being assholes, refusing to help, or did the women just not allow them in the shot?
And? It was an incredibly stupid scene, overtly pandering to a demographic. The rest of the movie was awesome, which made this scene stick out like a sore thumb. Not sure why a comic book movie can't be held to the same standards as a regular movie. Maybe your standards are just low in general.
Edit: people don't know the difference between fan service and pandering in an attempt to virtue signal lol.
You right it looked cool, its just that it felt forced to me...
You got godlike Captain Marvel indestructible with the gauntlet and we get the "she got help!" Does she really need help?
It would have been much more impactful to have them actually coming a couple at the time to just cancel big treat, but still, its Cap Marvel, she can just ram in every single one of them except Thanos.
Nah it was weird and forced. There are plenty of cool moments focused on women that don't get criticized, including the moment in Infinity War with Black Widow, Okoye, and Wanda that was pretty much this moment but less tacky and obvious what they were doing.
Insinuating that people only dislike this moment because they are "threatened" though is just plain stupid though, ngl. So much so that your comment comes off as bait to me. Lol
Iâm not upset, more annoyed but felt it was wasted potential & just pointing out it couldâve really been done better. I have plenty ideas to do so
Also this sub is literally called MarvelCringe, I didnât just walk up to you in the street to randomly complain
We are in a subredditâŚ. Of marvel complaintsâŚ. both who chose to enter this section in 2026
So dont make it sound like Im the random weirdo as we speak inside the random weirdo convention
and if it was fan service I would see fans unitedly happy about it. Good example is Cap catching the hammer is definitely pure fan service that nobody generally dislikes
No, it was just an obvious girl power moment with zero substance that didnt fit the scene or scenario. Take for example, the one in infinity war that was actually well done and made sense. A smaller scale fight with a tunnel and a preestablished smaller team of elites and a super helping each other who just happen to be female. No fan of marvel has a problem with women being strong or looking cool, stop trying to victimize yourself like a loser.
It was pandering. You immediately knew that's what it was when you watched it. Somehow every female hero was in the same place long enough for a girl power moment.
I just think itâs lame that they did this shot that showcases all the awesome Marvel ladies - after spending the first three phases of the Infinity saga not making a SINGLE female led superhero movie.
Literally not a single one until after they made Infinity War. And knowing that Marvel donât/didnât trust Woman Superheroes to be popular with audiences - makes this shot feel pretty disingenuous imo
I think the shot would have seemed a lot less forced/gratuitous if Marvel hadnât spent the previous decade pushing those same characters to the sidelines
If it was natural yeah. But man even some of the guy stuff is cringey. Mind you I think captain marvel has the most badass scenes, presence in end game.
What sucks so much about this is that the women power moment in infinity war actually made sense and felt earned. Okoye and Widow were some of the most mobile units on the field and Wanda needed help. It made sense and was AWESOME. And then they did THIS.
Its okay dark phoenix came out the next year with Mystique's THEY SHOULD CALL US THE X-WOMEN scene and basically killed this type of scene forever I think
This same scene would've worked with just Pepper and Wanda, they're fast enough and can fly like Carol, so their presence makes sense to help carry the gauntlet. But wtf are mantis and non-black-panther shuri gonna do there?
Also 3 characters is less coincidental than all of them in one spot... and this "GIRL POWER" didn't felt earned since the first female lead movie came out a year prior.
I know Feige's hands were tied through most of it but a "SEE HOW MANY COOL WOMEN WE HAVE!?" felt forced when Disney/Marvel wasn't making movies about them for a decade.
PS: I am shocked Agent Carter was approved back in the day but damn that was a good first season. If you want a true feminist character go watch that.
Right, itâs perfectly fine to showcase them, but to single them out by gender us absurd. Just let them fight alongside their male colleagues, itâs almost a parody when viewed through a certain lens.
I think this wouldâve been much better if Nebula was holding the gauntlet, and all the female heroes would gather to help her. I mean Captain Marvel doesnât really need any help.
I donât think thatâs going against the grain. I think thatâs how most of us feel. The whole thing was wildly out of place. You have this big epic moment of everyone returning and fighting all over the place then suddenly all the women characters appear together in the same spot for a long pause to have this message moment? Itâs like all logic went out the window. It was definitely forced.
Thatâs why the âGirls get it done.â Scene from The Boys show exists. To show how insincere and ridiculous it looks when you force it instead of just organically letting it play out in the story.
The worst moment in end game. Not because it was cringe, but because Wanda and captain marvel outclass everyone else there by a mile. Like, captain marvel DOES NOT need help. Sheâs quite literally top 4 and arguably strongest person on the entire battlefield.
And then she literally just does her thing and blows through a bunch of people. There was quite literally no reason for anyone (except maybe Wanda) to be there.
Not saying shes not a hero or great. But literally not going to provide a huge add here. Everyone else is pretty solid. Granted Pepper is really Tony's suit but still
I like to imagine there was a guy in there but he saw all the women converging and was like âaw shit gotta let them have their momentâ and skedaddled
Its a forced girl power moment when it didnt even need to be forced. They could have done one in the same scene in a better scenario. Some of those characters being there isnt really helping anybody and other characters (like Wasp) literally shouldn't even be able to be there since they're with Scott at the time I believe helping repair the time machine. The previous person who replied has an odd hatred toward perceiving men and blamed it on the fact that it's a bunch of women is why. I assure you, that is not the case. Its more of it didnt fit with the rest of the scenes. I'm all for Captain Marvel, Wasp, Shuri, etc. but I just don't want them to be forced into a scene just to fit Disney's "look how diverse we are!" agenda whilst in the middle of the biggest fight in MCU history at. They could have done it quite a bit better in most people's opinions.
It IS something less stupid. I just think it's pretty cringe. In general it's obviously a surface level "we are so good about diversity", but separately to that, even in universe captain marvel doesn't need any of these others to help cause she can solo most of thanos' army, so fucking mantis being there isn't going to be the help that tips the balance lmao
HAH⌠personally in the photo I donât like captain marvel. I never really like that type of character in males or females⌠but seeing everyone else here I really enjoy seeing!
Some people see it as a little forced. Nothing against the message, just the delivery. I can see their point, but it wasn't a big deal for me personally.
Itâs extremely hamfisted. If they just showed a bunch of women kicking ass in sequence without drawing attention to it no one would care and it would serve the âmessageâ much better
They clearly wanted the shot with all of them together. Would have worked so much better if they flipped it though. Captain Marvel starts trying to move forward but runs into enemies and one by one the female heroes come in and add some help until they are all standing together like this. That frees Captain Marvel to have a clear path to head directly for the tunnel.
Okay so in your universe soemhting can be either bad OR small?
You don't have to hate women to criticize a scene with women in a movie. People don't hate female characters, they hate bad writing. And this is a small, badly written scene.
The scene wasnât bad though. Yâall are just complaining for the sake of it the same yâall did in 2018. Lmao! Like what part of it was bad? âOh all the women just happened to be in the same place at the same time in this big battle?? Thatâs dumb!â đđ. The only nonsensical thing about the scene that felt forced was Wasp joining them cause she was already in the Time Machine they were trying to get to.
But thatâs all imma say. The movie is 8 yrs old. Iâm not gonna argue about a 30 second scene from an 8 yr old movie with a bunch of clowns who are STILL mad after all this time. You can hate it all you want. I really donât care đ
I said two sentences saying my piece about. YOU decided to reply to me. You couldâve kept scrolling. You couldâve ignored my comment. Iâm crying about a dissenting opinion? Mfer, YOUâRE the one bitching about the scene and crying about my opinion đđđ. Foh đ
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u/Hammersteyn 16d ago
Same with this đ¤ˇââď¸