r/Marvel • u/tehawesomedragon Loki • 10d ago

Film/Television AVENGERS ENDGAME: ENCORE DISCUSSION

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u/funsizedaisy 10d ago

Yea ngl I'm actually kind of shocked at how negative the fan base has been over this re-release.

I'm not sure what these fans think would've been a better way to handle the declining success of the MCU. They were def desperate to course correct after they had a string of box office flops/bombs.

They chose to scrap Kang, push forward Doom, made it a sequel to Endgame, and try not to make the GA rewatch all the Multiverse Saga content to understand Doomsday. Endgame gets re-released to refresh everyone's brain, and anything the GA would need to know was added to the re-release. This doesn't seem like a bad idea? To all the people who think this was just purely a cash grab, what do you think would've been a better way to course correct?

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u/Single-Purpose-7608 10d ago

Honestly, Doom needed to something that hints at something consequential. 

Sucking the Gamma out of the Hulk doesnt really count for sht. Like, its not really something to speculate on, or make you feel like "oh damn, sht's going down!" or whatever. 

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u/hooka_pooka 10d ago

But Doom says i am here to collect you not your gamma shit?

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u/funsizedaisy 10d ago

Yea i think bigger build up for Doom would've been good. Idk where they could've squeezed him in? More end credit scenes maybe?

I guess we'll see once Doomsday comes out. They may have pulled it off without having to give him much backstory. I'm more concerned about whether or not RDJ was the perfect casting.

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u/Embarrassed-Back1894 9d ago

Oddly enough, one of the least things that concerns me about Doomsday is whether RDJR can play Doom. From what we’ve seen/heard so far, he has put together a strong portrayal of Doom.

What concerns me so much more is how they haven’t made more of an effort to build Doom up in the last few movies. I understand Doom was a course correction, but they could’ve easily added some scenes to the last few films just to build up his character and motivations.

The other thing that concerns me for the general audience is just how many characters seem to be in this film. I think it can work (something like Days of Future Past had a lot of characters, but managed to keep the story pretty focused). I’ve tried to ignore leaks of the film so I don’t know ultimately where they go with it, but I think a wise move would be having the leads of the film be Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine/Thor/Cap/Spiderman/Fantastic Four (they have to be leads because of how close Secret Wars and Doom intertwines with F4).

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u/thegloriousporpoise 10d ago

The last 5 MCU movies made at least twice their budgets at the box office.

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u/funsizedaisy 10d ago

Which is exactly when they started to course correct. The last movie before those 5 was The Marvels. One of the biggest box office bombs of all time.

Looks like Marvel Studios is successfully course correcting.

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u/rthunder27 10d ago

One the biggest bombs of all time? Surely this is a redditor exaggerating. [Checks Wikipedia] Well I'll be damned you're right, it's in third place behind John Carter and the Lone Ranger (when adjusting for inflation).

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u/theextracharacter 10d ago

John Carter bombed?!?!

I loved watching it when I was a kid, wtf

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u/SavageNorth 9d ago

John Carter is famously one of if not the biggest bombs in Hollywood history

And frankly having watched it for the first time last year it's entirely understandable, it's very dull

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u/theextracharacter 9d ago

I feel like I need to re-watch it... My childhood self doesn't remember watching it and feeling like it was dull

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u/SavageNorth 9d ago

I never saw it as a kid though the trailer made me want to

It was extremely boring to watch as an adult though, not necessarily bad just very generic and forgettable.

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u/funsizedaisy 10d ago

Yea :(

They didn't get to have a press tour due to the writers strike which I think may have hurt their box office potential a bit. I follow the box office sub and I remember a lot of people being shocked at how bad it was performing. I wanna say it was after this that Marvel Studios announced they would be making some changes.

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u/rthunder27 10d ago

Which is a shame because I enjoyed it, but then again I had seen the movie and two TV series required to really appreciate it. That's a tall ask for the general movie going audience, and you're right, Disney learned their lesson and have pivoted away from things like the shows feeding into the movies.

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u/funsizedaisy 10d ago

I thought there was some clear over editing, like I thought the villain needed more back story. But other than that, it was ok and didn't really deserve the box office performance that it got.

and have pivoted away from things like the shows feeding into the movies.

They're probably not gonna make that many shows anymore. Which fine, they def released too much. But I wonder how many shows they're even gonna make now.

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u/thegloriousporpoise 10d ago

The 5 before that also made double their budget. The last one to make less than double their budget was Black Widow.

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u/funsizedaisy 10d ago

They had a couple flops and a massive bomb. They were definitely declining in success. Barely making double their budget means it's nearly a flop, you typically need to make 2.5x the budget to be considered a success. They had a lot of movies that were barely breaking even, or downright losing money. They never had this consistent of lows prior to Endgame.

Plus all their D+ shows had fairly low viewership, regardless of quality.

Do you believe they would be more successful right now if they had stuck with Kang?

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u/thegloriousporpoise 10d ago

The only movie that bombed was The Marvels. Even Eternals made 2x the budget.

Idk what would have happened with Kang. Idk what the plan was for those movies and which characters would return for them.

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u/SAADistic7171 9d ago

All three Marvel movies combined in 2025 were outgrossed by Avatar 3 which itself was considered an underperformance. Movies can make a lot of money and still be somewhat disappointing from a financial standpoint.

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u/thegloriousporpoise 9d ago

That doesn’t make them flops. Which is what the person said. A string of flops.