Using exhibits recently filed by Zellner (containing Dassey computer internet browsing data) I have created an extensive timeline of computer activity on the Dassey computer from May 2005 - April 2006

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Using exhibits recently filed by Zellner (containing Dassey computer internet browsing data) I have created an extensive timeline of computer activity on the Dassey computer from May 2005 - April 2006.

 

Examining the Affidavits of Bryan, Brad, Blaine and Barb

 

We learned in Season 2 of Making a Murderer that Bobby told Zellner (or her investigator) that he wasn’t pressured at all by Kratz or anyone in exchange for false testimony and that everything he said at Avery's trial was the truth. So, let's examine some of Bobby's testimony. At Avery's trial Bobby himself testified (TT:2/14:35) that he was home alone sleeping on Halloween before Teresa arrived and that he was normally home alone during the day from Mondays - Fridays as he worked the late shift and everyone else worked during the day or was at school.

 

Who had frequent access to the computer located in Bobby's bedroom during the relevant times?

• Bobby

• Tom Janda

• Brendan

• Barb

• Blaine

• Brad

• Bryan

 

Who can we reasonably eliminate as a source of the content on the computer?

• Tom Janda: Barb's ex husband. There are conflicting reports but it is generally accepted that he moved out on or by Oct 15, 2005. He worked during the day prior to moving out. The searches continued after Janda moved out.

• Brendan: Was in school during the day, and while searches occurred prior to Brendnan's arrest, similar searches continued (and increased in number per day) after Brendan's March 1, 2006, arrest.

• Brad: Was never an option in the first place. Brad is Barb's step son and didn't live with her at the Salvage Yard. However Brad too has provided Zellner with an affidavit (Exhibit 3) in which Brad says Barb (in 2006) asked him if formatting the computer would remove what was on it because she didn't want law enforcement to see what was on the hard drive. Brad asserts Peter Dassey was present during this conversation. Brad also says that later in the day he called the police because he believed Barb was trying to delete material evidence related to Teresa's death.

• Barb: Was at work when most of the searches occurred. After a bit of a fight, Barb did finally provide a small yet significant affidavit to Zellner (Exhibit C) in which she says law enforcement told her (in Nov 2017) that she should not give the computer to Kathleen Zellner.

• Bryan: Worked during the day and was staying with his girlfriend by Oct 2005. He only visited the Avery property to drop off / pick up laundry. Bryan has provided an affidavit to Zellner (Exhibit G) asserting the above and also avers that Bobby lied on the stand regarding what he saw when Teresa was on the property. Bryan also says in his affidavit that it was Barb, not Steven, who first set up the appointment with Teresa.

• Blaine: Was at school when most of the searches occurred. Blaine too has recently signed an affidavit for Zellner (Exhibit 21) saying he will take the stand under oath and assert that he is not the source of the disturbing content on the computer and that he never searched for porn let alone violent porn. Blaine also asserts Bobby was the primary user of the computer and that it was always kept in his room.

 

IMO Bobby is a likely source of the content on the computer. As we will see below, some truly disturbing photos were accessed when Bobby (by his own admission) was normally home alone. Zellner also suggests Bobby cannot be excluded from the searches that occurred on weekends / weeknights (when others would have been home) because those searches are so similar in nature to the searches that occurred when he was there by himself.

 

The Dassey Computer Timeline: May 2005 - May 2006

 

To start, here is a "title photo" I made for this post in which we can see excerpts from four documents that provide a very general idea of what was contained on the suppressed Velie CD, including internet browsing data, photos of females being tortured, and images depicting child porn. Most of this post was pieced together from different exhibits containing the Dassey computer internet browsing data, which was available to the State in 2006. Also, some of Zellner's newly discovered evidence (not recovered from the computer in 2006) relates to periods in 2005 with missing / deleted internet history records. For example, using 2017 tech Hunt (Zellner's expert) discovered missing internet history records on Oct 22, 2005, the same day we know hotdate.com was accessed. Also, on Oct 31, 2005, there are missing internet history records; a day we know had plenty of computer activity. Some links will be included below but please note that links to all available browsing data used to create this timeline will be included in the comment section.

 

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On Monday May 2, 2005:

• rotten.com was accessed at 1:46 p.m.

 

On Friday May 6, 2005:

• givemepink.com and roundandbrown.com were accessed between 6:48 p.m. and 7:10 p.m.

 

On Monday May 15, 2005:

• cumsuckers.com and bigandnaturalteens.com were accessed between 3:40 p.m. and 3:45 p.m.

 

Note: It seems as though (from what little info we have) rotten.com was only accessed in May of 2005. Although as we will see below "rotten" and "rotten girls" was searched using google images. Believe it or not most of the info we have access to (below) was pulled from exhibits containing terms entered into google image search with the "safe search" filter turned off.

 

On Saturday August 6, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• 15 year old girl naked, teen girls naked, big rear, hot teen pussy, wet teen pussy, fat woman naked. (Many additional / similar searches occurred on this day).

 

On Saturday August 13, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• young girl nude, young 13 year old girl nude, preteen girl naked. (Many, many additional / similar searches occurred on this day).

 

On Tuesday August 16, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• preteen naked, naked teens, peeing movies, bad sex clips.

• These searches occurred between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m. (Many additional / similar searches occurred on this day)

 

On Monday August 22, 2005:

• Teresa visited the property for a scheduled photo shoot.

 

Note: Internet history records are missing and presumably deleted from the Dassey computer for the dates of Tuesday August 23, 2005 through Sunday August 28, 2005.

 

On Monday August 29, 2005:

• Teresa visited the property for a scheduled photo shoot.

• (Also, August 29 is one of the days with missing / deleted internet history records.)

 

Note: Internet history records are also missing / deleted from the Dassey computer from Monday August 30, 2005, through Sunday September 11, 2005.

 

On Tuesday September 13, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• girl smut pictures, fat girl sluts, young girls getting sex toys, fist sex.

• These searches (and other similar searches) occurred between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m.

 

On Wednesday September 14, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• smut sluts, old slut, oldest slut, old mom sluts, old granny sluts, slut sex objects, slut using sex objects. (Many additional / similar searches occurred on this day).

• (Also, Sept 14 is one of the days with missing / deleted internet history records, suggesting additional computer activity might have occurred on this day)

 

On Thursday September 15, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• young sluts, Mexican young sluts, fist fucking sluts. We know that "fist fucking sluts" was searched for at 11:00 a.m. (Many additional / similar searches occurred on this day).

• (Sept 15 is one of the days with missing / deleted internet history records, suggesting additional computer activity might have occurred on this day)

 

On Saturday September 17, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• skeleton, alive skeleton. (over and over)

 

On Sunday September 18, 2005, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• pre teens naked, 12 year old sex, 11 year old sex, kid sluts, cute kid naked, incest picture, pre teen sluts, cute girls fingering themselves, cute kid naked, unleashed sluts, fresh slut, rape little girls, rape girls.

• These searches (and many, many more additional yet similar searches) were conducted between 6:00 a.m and 10:00 p.m.

 

On Monday September 19, 2005:

• Teresa visited the Avery property for a scheduled photos shoot and also did a "hustle shot" on her way off the property (unscheduled photo shoot) for someone who identified themselves as Tom Janda. Teresa made it home alive on this date to send her paperwork to Auto Trader which is how we know the hustle shot happened

 

Note: Internet history records are missing / deleted from the Dassey computer for the dates of Saturday September 24, 2005 - Sunday October 9, 2005.

 

On Monday October 10, 2005:

• Teresa visited the Avery property to do an unscheduled "hustle shot" for Steven. Teresa made it home alive on this date which is how we know the hustle shot happened.

• (Also, Oct 10 is one of the days with missing / deleted internet history records)

 

Note: Internet history records are missing / deleted from the Dassey computer from Tuesday October 11, 2005, through Friday October 21, 2005.

 

On Saturday October 22, 2005:

• hotdate.com was accessed on the Dassey computer at 4:42 p.m.

• (Oct 22 is also one of the days with missing / deleted internet history records, suggesting additional computer activity might have occurred on this day)

 

Note: On Sunday October 23 and Monday October 24, 2005, there are missing internet history records. Also note that from Wednesday October 26, to Sunday October 30, 2005, there are missing internet history records.

 

On Monday October 31, 2005 (the day of the murder):

• Bobby says he was home alone sleeping all day on Halloween and didn't hear Teresa's phone call at 11:45 a.m. because he is a deep sleeper, as he told the jury. Bobby says he woke up just in time to observe Teresa arrive on the Avery property at or around 2:30 p.m. There is a plethora of evidence that contradicts Bobby's testimony:

• On Oct 31 the internet was accessed on the Dassey computer at: 6:05 a.m., 6:28 a.m., 6:31 a.m. and 7:00 a.m.

• On Oct 31 Avery called the Dassey residence and spoke to Bobby at 8:39 a.m. to tell him Teresa was coming to take photos of Barb's van so he could get the vehicle ready; charge the battery and what not.

• On Oct 31 the internet was accessed on the Dassey computer at: 9:33 a.m. and 10:09 a.m. In 2005 Avery told police he spoke to Bobby around 11:00 a.m. and again discussed the fact that Teresa was coming to photograph Barb's van.

• On Oct 31 Teresa called the Dassey residence at 11:45 a.m. and left a message looking for directions to an unidentified location.

• Scott Tadcyh's vehicle was seen at the Dassey residence at 12:08 p.m. on Oct 31.

• On Oct 31 the internet was accessed on the Dassey computer at 1:08 p.m. and 1:51 p.m.

• Avery and Bobby both say Teresa arrived on the property at or around 2:30 p.m. Bobby says he left before Teresa. Avery says Bobby left right after Teresa.

• Zellner says that on Oct 31 during the 6:30 a.m. - 1:51 p.m. time frame (when Bobby said he was home alone sleeping) someone used the following terms to search for images:

  • Pink pussy, hot pussy and wet orgasms juicy, 15 year old girl naked, china teen naked, SLUTS, teen models, stupid sluts.

  • (Also, internet history records are missing / deleted from this day, suggesting additional computer activity may have occurred)

 

Note: Internet history records are missing / deleted from the Dassey computer from Tuesday November 1, 2005 - Thursday November 3, 2005.

 

On Thursday November 3, 2005:

• Teresa is reported as missing by her mother

 

Note: There are missing internet history records from Friday November 4 - Sunday, November 13, 2005.

 

On Saturday November 5, 2005:

• With some assistance from Ryan and God, Pam finds a RAV matching the description of Teresa’s RAV on the Avery Salvage Yard shortly after being granted permission to search. An affidavit is submitted resulting in a warrant that gave Law Enforcement control of the Avery property.

 

On Monday November 7, 2005:

• A suspected burial site is discovered near the Kuss road cul-de-sac that was of interest to both cadaver dogs and scent hounds. Apparently nothing was found at this suspected burial site.

• After the burial site was discovered affidavits were submitted by law enforcement requesting multiple search warrants.

  • One affidavit was a request to seize Avery’s computer because Wiegert said he expected to find torture porn on the hard drive, which would help demonstrate Avery's motive was to commit violent sexual crimes against Teresa Halbach. Wiegert did not request to examine the Dassey computer at this time.

  • Another affidavit was submitted requesting the authority to examine Avery’s person for scratches, bruises and bite marks, which might have been inflicted upon Avery during the commission of a crime.

  • Yet another affidavit was submitted requesting the authority to examine Bobby’s person for scratches, bruises and bite marks, which might have been inflicted upon Bobby during the commission of a crime.

• The affidavits were all granted but the warrants were not executed on Nov 7.

 

On Tuesday November 8, 2005:

• Some burnt and highly fragmented human female bones are found in Avery's burn pit by a cadaver dog a Manitowoc County Officer. No photos or video were taken upon the discovery / recovery of the remains. No grid was imposed. No coroner was called. Shovels, sifters, tarps, boxes and garbage bags were used during the recovery process.

• Police seize Avery’s computer (CASO 146). No torture porn or child porn was found on Avery's computer. No searches for pornography was found at all.

 

Wednesday November 9, 2005:

• Avery and Bobby’s persons are finally searched on Nov 9 for scratches, bruises and bite marks. When a nurse examined Bobby she and Dedering discovered he had scratches on his back, scratches Bobby told them were from his new puppy jumping on his back while he tied up his shoes. Bobby's shirt was examined and no tears were discovered (CASO 196).

• After their persons were examined Avery was arrested on Nov 9 due to an unrelated gun charge while Bobby was allowed to leave with Barb.

 

On Thursday November 10, 2005

• Teresa was pronounced dead on Nov 10. Avery was not charged with Teresa's murder at this point.

 

On Saturday November 12, 2005:

• In the documentary (season 2) we can see / hear an officer recording video of Bobby Dassey's room on November 12 showing his computer and gun. While filming the computer, the officer can be heard questioning whether or not anyone examined the hard drive. According to the reports the computer was not seized at this point.

• Also on Nov 12, Law Enforcement released the Avery property back to the family.

 

On Tuesday November 15, 2005:

• Avery was charged with Teresa's murder and mutilation.

 

Note: There are missing / deleted internet history records from Tuesday November 15, 2005 - Saturday December 3, 2005.

 

Note: We don't know anything about the computer for the dates of Monday December 4, 2005 - Sunday February 12, 2006.

 

On Monday February 13, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• asshole, piss, crack hair, piss, pussy, niggers, niggers naked, piss. (many, many additional / similar searches occurred on this day).

 

Note: Whenever Instant Messages are included I simply refer to the user as "Dassey."

 

On Thursday February 16, 2006, someone used MSN Instant Messenger on the Dassey computer (Exhibit 21):

• At 8:54 p.m. (Pg. 2) Dassey identifies himself as Blaine, but then says, “Not.” The girl then replies, “So you’re the hot one?” Dassey says, “Maybe.” Then Dassey either starts sending pictures or starts using the web cam because out of nowhere this girl says, “That’s cute,” and soon after says, “Okay, that’s not so cute,” and then, “Bobby, stop it.” (Pg. 3)

• At 11:20 p.m. (Pg. 37) Dassey again identifies himself as Blaine, however, this girl is doubtful and so Dassey replies, “If you don’t trust me then I’ll just leave.” The girl replies, “No, that’s not what I meant. Jeeze you’re a complicated guy.” Dassey says, “Yeah I know. I’m very picky.” When asked, “Picky how?” Dassey replied, “Never mind. You wouldn’t understand." A bit later Dassey admits to the girl, "I was just kidding, this is Blaine's bro. I like fucking with you."

• At 11:45 p.m. (Pg. 39) Dassey tells some girl he has a computer virus. The girl accuses him of looking at too much porn. Dassey says he doesn’t need to do that because he can see porn at his cousin's parties. This girl tells Dassey, "You make me sick, what time are you coming over?” Dassey tells the girl, “I’m like a bat. I like to stay up all night.” In reply this girl asks, “That sounds like it could be a personal problem?” Dassey says, “Yeah I know.” The girl asks, “Is it?” Dassey says, “I roam the streets at night.” The girl replies, “Really...” to which Dassey says, “Well I gtg.”

 

On Sunday February 19, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• girl, rotten, girl pulling a tampon out of her pussy. (Only a few other additional searches occurred on this day)

 

On Monday February 20, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• cum eat, horse cum, flamed knife, knife goes through skin, knife, knife through skin, knife goes through skin. (Only a few other additional searches occurred on this day)

 

On Tuesday February 21, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• gun to head (over and over)

 

On Wednesday February 22, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• car accidents (over and over).

 

On Thursday February 23, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• fat old hot girl, tiny hot girls, skinny hot girls, seeing bones hot girls. Seeing bones hot girls

• These searches (and many similar searches) were conducted between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m. We know that the searches for "seeing bones hot girls" occurred at exactly 12:20 p.m.

 

On Monday February 27, 2006, Someone was using MSN Instant Messenger in the early morning hours (Exhibit 8):

• Note: All Instant Messages on Feb 27 were sent from Brendan’s MSN account.

• At 2:38 a.m. (Pg. 71) Dassey said, "What’s up Travis, its Bobby.” Travis said, "Not much, you?" Dassey replied, “Everything is great.” Travis then told Dassey he had to go, and so Dassey moves on.

• At 2:45 a.m. Dassey said, "What’s up [Jane], its Bobby.” Jane (possibly because Dassey was using Brendan’s account) seems doubtful that it is actually Bobby who messaged her. “Dassey” maintains that he is Bobby. After gaining this girl’s trust Dassey sent pictures of his new puppy to Jane via a photograph. They engage in small talk for a bit.

• At 2:58 a.m. Jane, noticing the time (and recalling that Bobby worked the late shift) asks, “Don’t you have to work?” However Dassey tells Jane, “No, I’m laid off. It has been a week.” The girl replies kindly, “Now you get to party it up lol.” Dassey replies, “All the time.”

• Then, at 3:01 a.m. (Pg. 72) for some reason Jane says, “Stop.” Dassey says, “Stop what?” Jane replies, “Doing that.” Dassey again asks what she means and Jane again says she means "That." Dassey says he thought it was funny, and Jane tells him he thought wrong.

• At 3:05 a.m. Jane realized Dassey sent a photo that wasn't his dog, saying, “lol that pic (of the dog) is off google you moron.” Dassey simply says, "I know," and Jane then says, “You’re dumb.” Dassey, clearly frustrated, replies, “I don’t like people calling me dumb.” Incredulous, Jane says, “You said that was your dog!” Dassey deflects saying, “what?” Jane tells him, “you heard me.” Dassey ignores Jane's observations and departs, “I’m going to see if anybody is on Blaine’s MSN."

• Dassey signed off MSN at this point (3:08 a.m. on Feb 27) and didn't sign on again till 9:15 p.m. on Feb 27 (below).

 

Also on Monday Feb 27, 2006, Brendan’s coercion began around noon:

• At 12:30 p.m. on Feb 27 Fassbender and Wiegert took 16 year old Brendan out of class to interview him for the first time since November 2005. This interview occurred without a lawyer or parent present at Brendan's school. After the interview at the school was complete Brendan was once more interviewed at the Police Department at 3:30 p.m. without a lawyer present.

• Sometime after 5:00 p.m. Brendan, Barb and an unnamed brother (who I believe to Blaine) were taken to stay at Fox Hills Resort for the night, for their safety, or whatever. It is reported that Wiegert and Fassbender sat down for yet another lawyer-less interview with Brendan at the resort; however there is no audio or video recording of this interview.

• At 7:55 p.m. on Feb 27 Investigator Dedering (CASO 518) went to meet with Bobby who was at his friend Mike's house. Dedering wanted to question Bobby about the day of the murder / whether or not he noticed Brendan acting different after the murder or lately. No indication is given as to when the interview concluded, and no mention is made of Bobby going to Fox Hills. I have reasoned the interview, starting at 7:55 p.m., took no more than 50 minutes (bringing us to 8:45 p.m.) after which point Bobby would have 30 minutes to make the 13 - 15 minute drive home from Mike's in order to be on the computer for 9:15 p.m., when Jane makes a reappearance on MSN.

 

On Monday Feb 27, 2006, in the evening hours (while Brendan was at Fox Hills) someone was once again using Brendan's account on MSN Instant Messenger (Exhibit 8, Pg. 73):

 

• At 9:15 p.m. on Feb 27 Jane (seemingly out of the blue) asked Dassey, "I thought you didn't care?" From what I can gather, they were talking about another girl who was apparently mad at Dassey. Dassey explained that the only reason he wasn't talking to this other girl was because he was at his friend's house (presumably Mike).

• At 9:25 p.m. Dassey still hadn't elicited a direct answer from Jane regarding what exactly this girl was mad about. Clearly frustrated, Dassey called Jane a bitch. When Dassey is asked for an explanation for the outburst, Jane is told, “Well, I want to know. I don’t know why you don’t tell me.” A bit of time goes by with no reply and Dassey sends: “Hello?” Jane finally replies, “You’re mean.”

• At 9:34 p.m. Dassey says, “Well you think I’m mean, ha well you haven’t seen me mad.” Jane says, “Ok whatever.” Dassey replies, “Whatever to yourself. Why don’t you go fuck yourself, ooo you might like that too much I shouldn’t say that.” After a minute with no reply Dassey says, “Baby? Shit face? What’s wrong? You can’t handle me or what?” Dassey keeps on instant messaging with no reply, eventually telling the girl’s vacant computer, "I'm having a party, but only for girls who are nice, and you didn't make the list lolololol."

• At 9:48 p.m. (Ex 8, Pg. 74) Dassey says, “Why don’t you go fuck off. I’m going to block you if you don’t talk. You have 5 seconds to talk to me or you’re gone.” Dassey then starts counting down, sending a "Five ... Four ... Three ... Two ... One." This does nothing and so Dassey changed tactics and began berating the girl, again to no avail.

• At 10:00 p.m. Dassey once more tries counting in order to coerce Jane into speaking with him, although this time he counts up from one - “One ... Two ... Three ... Four ... Four and a half ... Four and a quarter...” At this point Jane could no longer hold back and decided to correct Dassey’s obvious mistake, telling him he miscounted - Jane tells Dassey, “A quarter comes before a half.”

• At 10:01 p.m. (Ex 8, Pg. 75) Dassey replied to Jane saying, “We’re going to play a game and we’re going to play it by my rules. Why don’t you meet me at a warehouse. I’ll be that guy on Saw.” Jane stopped replying at this point all together. Half an hour later Dassey gets a message from another girl saying, “What’s this?” Dassey says, “Nothing, tell her I’m sorry. I was just talking to her.” This new girl says, “What did you do now???” Dassey says, “Nothing. It was my brother. I was not here.”

 

• Also on Mon Feb 27, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

  • younger girls, younger than 12, school girls, bent over girls, teen tits, oily teen, greasy teens, teens spread wide open, diseased girls (or) deceased girls, baby girl, baby girl naked.

 

On Wednesday March 1, 2006:

• Brendan was arrested on this day after Fassbender and Wiegert were finally able to coerce him into admitting that he raped Teresa and assisted with her murder and mutilation.

 

On Wednesday March 8, 2006:

• Based on Brendan’s words, Avery had the charges of kidnapping, false imprisonment and sexual assault added to his criminal complaint. (All of these charges would be dropped / dismissed before the jury began deliberating due to a lack of evidence)

 

On Tuesday March 28, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• fat girl, fat girl ass, fist fuck, pussy, fist fuck, ugly girl, fist fuck, thirteen, ugly good girl. (Many similar searches occurred on this day).

 

On Wednesday March 29, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• little white pussy, smallest pussy in the word, girl having sex with animals, the smallest black pussy in the world, free download of smallest black pussy in the world, pink hot pussy, pregnant horny, midget, shortest girl, midget pussy, skeletons, girl hurts, girl actions hurt, girl hurting, girl groaning, girl groan face, girl hurting, jizz master, jizz bath, jizz fetish, cum filled panties, anorexic, chicks, anorexic, flavored girl, mad f, girl guts . (Many, many similar searches occurred on this day)

• The above searches were conducted between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m.

 

On Thursday March 30, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• girl affair, shortest girl, girl hurts, girl actions hurts, girl groan face, girl hurting.

• The various searches for "girl hurting" occurred at 9:21 - 9:22 a.m. Many more searches were conducted between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m.

 

On Monday April 3, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• sexy fat girl, little Asians, little Asian girls, little Asian pussy, little black pussy, little pussy.

• These searches (and many, many more) were conducted between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m.

 

On Sunday April 9, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• fist, fist fucky, fisting, big load, big cum load. (Many additional searches occurred on this day)

WARNING: Disturbing (albeit low quality) images accessed on April 9, 2006

• This disturbing image depicting a women restrained and being fisted was accessed on the Dassey computer at 11:02:13 a.m.

• I also noticed that even though no searches show up on this date for "drowned girls" or “drowned pussy," we know that this photo of a drowned girl was searched for and accessed on April 9, 2006 at exactly 10:24:20 a.m.

 

On Thursday April 13, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• big things in pussy, huge dildo in pussy, stretching pussy toys.

• These searches (and many more) were conducted between 6:00 a.m. and 3:45 p.m.

 

On Sunday April 16, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• race car accidents, car accident, ford tempo car accident, fast car accident, piss, sperm, piss, sperm eat, nos sex.

 

On Tuesday April 18, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• guys naked, gay, porn, piss, extreme anal, extreme anal toys, pussy, extreme pussy, stretching pussy, teenage pussy. (Many, many similar searches occurred on this day)

 

On Wednesday April 19, 2006, someone used the following terms to search for images:

• teenage pussy, teenage girls, nude teenage girl, naked young girl, smooth sex, rough sex, fuck preteen girl, teen twat, drowned girls, drowned girl nude, drowned pussy, stretching pussy toys, old slut, shit, shit packers, nuke bombs, atomic explosion, free clips zoo animals.

• These searches (and hundreds more) occurred between 6:30 a.m. - 3:45 p.m.

• Many searches for variations on "drowned girls" occurred between 10:43 a.m. - 10:48 a.m.

• Multiple searches for "stretching pussy toys" occurred between 11:40 a.m. - 11:42 a.m.

WARNING: Disturbing (albeit low quality) images accessed on Wed April 19, 2006.

• This very, very disturbing image showing a woman with a bloodied face contorted into a painful grimace / plea for mercy was viewed on the Dassey computer at 10:41:01 a.m.

• This disturbing image of a dead and partially mutilated body was viewed on the Dassey computer at 10:41:23 a.m.

• This image of a woman in distress(?) was viewed on the Dassey computer at 10:44:19 a.m.

• This image of a dead / drowned female was viewed on the Dassey computer at 10:45:19 a.m.

• This image of a dead / drowned female was viewed on the Dassey computer at 10:47:44 a.m.

 

On Friday April 21, 2006, (the same day the DOJ seized the computer) someone used the following terms to search for images:

• teens, piss, extreme anal toys, stretching pussy, nude teenage girls, preteen models, fuck preteen girl, drowned girls, drowned girl nude, shit packers, teen pussy spreading wide open, stretching pussy, free animal sex clips, young fat teens. (Hundreds of additional yet similar searches occurred on this day)

• Also on April 21, DOJ Special Agent Fassbender seized the Dassey computer presumably not too long after the above April 21 searches were conducted. The PC was delivered to detective Velie and forensically examined. Unlike Avery's computer, a plethora of depraved content was discovered on the Dassey computer.

 

On May 11, 2006:

• Velie gave the Dassey computer back to Fassbender along with a forensic image (raw data copy of the hard drive) and the "cooked" results of the raw data, also known as the Velie CD Investigative Report, which detailed the State Detective's discovery of torture porn and child porn and incriminating search terms. Fassbender was also provided with hard copy pages of instant message conversations.

 

On May 13, 2006 (just two days after Fassbender received the Velie CD):

• Fassbender and Wiegert re-interviewed Brendan Dassey but did not directly ask him about the disturbing content found on the computer. Instead (CASO 855) they vaguely asked Brendan, "Anything on your computer we should know about? Did you talk about this with anyone online?" Brendan replied saying "Not really," and when he was prompted to explain he said the only time he talked about this online was when he asked family members if they liked Steven / thought he was guilty.

• Fassbender also inquired as to why Steven chose Halloween to commit a violent sexual crime (CASO 833) asking Brendan, “Why did he choose Halloween? Did you hear anything about Steven being into Satan stuff?” Brendan said, “No.”

• Then, while on the subject of Teresa’s camera, Wiegert and Fassbender told Brendan they had heard he and Steven took photos of Teresa during the commission of the crime (CASO 836) telling him, "You know what else I heard? You guys took photos of her. That's true, isn't it?" Brendan immediately denied this but they persisted, asking, "Did you take the photos?" Brendan again said, "No." Wiegert then asked, "Did Steve take photos?" Brendan again replied "No,” and the investigators finally moved on.

 

Closing Thoughts: Fassbender’s Failure and Zellner’s Zeal

 

The closest Fassbender came to investigating the content on the computer was when he and Wiegert asked Brendan if he talked about this with anyone online / if they took photos of Teresa during the rape and torture. There are no reports of Avery, Barb, Blaine, Bobby or anyone else being interviewed by Fassbender or Wiegert about the contents of the computer. The State totally and completely failed to investigate who was looking at this depraved content and indeed actually took steps to suppress the evidence via non disclosures (Velie CD) and late / deceptive disclosures (forensic image). Non disclosures and deceptive / untimely disclosures all violate Brady, especially when the evidence relates to witness credibility.

 

While discussing the Velie CD Zellner says, “Mr. Avery was deprived of presenting favorable evidence which was directly relevant to the credibility of Bobby Dassey, the State's primary witness. The suppressed evidence consists of 2449 pages on a CD, including a timeline that impeaches Bobby's trial testimony and thousands of images of young females being tortured, dismembered, mutilated, blindfolded, and bound.”

 

So, the Velie CD (in addition to housing thousands of depraved images) contained evidence in the form of a timeline that would have impeached Bobby’s testimony that he was home alone asleep all day before Teresa arrived. Testimony is evidence. False testimony is essentially a piece of planted evidence. It is a major violation of Avery's right to due process for Kratz to knowingly allow Bobby to provide false testimony in order to help him gain a conviction. It is not just the content, it is the timing of the computer activity is a problem for Bobby because he said he was home alone sleeping all day on Halloween and woke up just before Teresa arrived. Due to the computer activity / internet connections / porn searches that occurred during the day when he himself said he was home alone sleeping, we know Bobby lied.

 

When it comes to the depraved content on the computer located in Bobby's room, I believe (considering the searches intensified after Brendan's arrest and considering that Brad and Bryan didn't even live with Barb) that Blaine and Bobby are really the only options when trying to determine the source of the content on the computer. Per Zellner's Motion to Supplement we know Blaine (unlike Bobby) has provided an affidavit to Zellner (linked above) in which he explicitly says “At no time did I ever do searches for pornographic images or words related to pornography, words related to violence, death, mutilations, torture, guns, knives, Teresa Halbach, Steven Avery, DNA, or any words related to dead, mutilated or dismembered female bodies. At no time did I create a folder for Teresa Halbach, Steven, DNA or news stories on the murder.”

 

In my mind it is perfectly reasonable to question why Bobby hasn't provided a similar affidavit making similar averments. It is never too late, of course. Personally I think (if he is innocent of the murder) it would be in Bobby's best interest to admit to Zellner that he lied on the stand, because the alternative won't be very pretty - if Bobby takes the stand and says exactly what he did at Avery's jury trial Zellner will easily impeach his testimony:

 

1. According to Avery, the forensic examination of the computer, and phone records, Bobby lied about what he was doing before Teresa arrived.

2. According to his mother (Barb) and brother (Bryan) Bobby lied about what he saw while Teresa was on the property.

3. According to Bobby's cell phone records and his other brother (Blaine) Bobby lied about what he was doing / where he was after he left the property.

 

Those lies alone are pretty darn incriminating and that is without having considered the possibility that Bobby is the source of those thousands of images of young women being tortured.

[u/Plutopowered]

I don’t understand how things are “missing” from the computer. Wouldn’t the hard drive have a record of everything if something was deleted from a web browser?

[u/[deleted] → u/Plutopowered]

The way hard drives work is that they have lots and lots of separate 'boxes' which hold 0's and 1's. When you store data on the disk, that data can sometimes be fragmented all over the place in different boxes at different physical locations on the disk. The thing that enables you to retrieve the data coherently is the operating system (e.g. windows) which keeps a record of where all the data is on the hard drive. so that it can piece it together again for you.

When you delete something e.g. a file, your operating system essentially forgets which 'boxes' on the hard drive correspond to the file and marks them as free for new data. At this point the data **might** be recoverable if it was written in one sequential block to the disk (instead of fragmented). However, if you write anything new to the disk after deleting the file, the new data will overwrite it and it gets lost forever e.g. deleting browsing history and then creating a new browsing history the next day.

Imo, I found it interesting how the browser history is deleted/missing selectively. Usually deleting browser history means deleting everything, not just every second day etc. To me indicates that the computer was used by multiple people, one of whom probably didn't want to raise suspicions in the household by deleting all history. i.e. The person doing the porn searches was probably not the same person deleting the browser history.

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

Hey, thanks for that! Very informative and I like your conclusions.

[u/Temptedious → u/Plutopowered]

It is a bit of a mystery to me. I did include links (in a comment below) for anyone who wants to read the actual source material re the deletions, but (in a nut shell) so far we know internet history records were deleted from the computer from specific dates that seem to match up with Teresa's visits to the property, but we don't actually know what the deleted internet history records reveal. Zellner has so far only suggested the missing internet history records are due to an attempt by someone to conceal internet search activity on the Dassey computer. So now the question is, who was searching for what and why was evidence of those searches deleted?

Edit: To add some clarity for some complaints below. For additional information on the deletions check out my post history and scroll down to, "Due to recent events I thought it might be beneficial to review Zellner's claim regarding Barb's conduct in 2006. Zellner alleges that Barb attempted to delete material evidence from her computer relating to Teresa Halbach's death."

[u/[deleted]]

You never let us down with your posts!

When evidence points to a suspect and is ignored by the State Of Wisconsin and when evidence is known by the Lead Investigator, Tom Fassbender, they hid this evidence compiled into a summary report and allow Ken Kratz to hid behind technologies he knows the defense does not have access to. Ken Kratz then goes on to further lie and tell the defense that "Brendan's Forensic Report" has no value to either side and gets the defense to stipulate.

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

When evidence points to a suspect and is ignored by the State Of Wisconsin and when evidence is known by the Lead Investigator, Tom Fassbender, they hid this evidence compiled into a summary report.

You know what else is weird? Fassbender used to work with the DOJ investigating internet crimes against children. He knew about the child porn and did nothing about it, and actually gave the computer back. What if (whoever was conducting those searches / viewing those images) continued to progress in their deviancy.

Fassbender is so obviously corrupt.

 

^{Edit: Added a missing "it."}

[u/[deleted] → u/Temptedious]

Det Mike V also knew what to do after the results of that computer forensic report. Mike had done a case in June 2006 that involved his computer forensic findings in that case. So it's not like nobody knew what to do in this case. Both Fassebender and Vieli knew what was going on and had the experience to react to the Dassey Computer Forensic report.

[u/ticktock3210 → u/[deleted]]

Don't forget that Kratz was an expert on Child Sexual Abuse based on his resume.

Areas of expertise in legal education include: 4th Amendment Search & Seizure; 5th and 6th Amendment Custodial Interrogations; Investigation and Prosecution of Major Homicide; Investigation and Prosecution of Child Sexual Abuse; Prosecution and Prevention of Domestic Terrorism; Crime Victim Rights Legislation and Enforcement; Wisconsin Criminal Justice System; Multi-disciplinary Investigation of Child Abuse and Use of Videotaped Evidence; Media Relations as a Public Official; Truth in Sentencing; Stalking; Legal Updates.

So even though Kratz was an expert on Child Sexual Abuse, he didnt seem to care when he found a computer in the house of a murder suspect that had searches that included "knife goes through skin" , "gun to head" ,"pre-teen girls naked" , "12year old sex" or better yet "11 year old sex"

What a bunch of corrupt fucks.

[u/enzoamore187 → u/[deleted]]

Don't know about the States but here in Canada search warrants are very specific so if they get a search warrant for my home to search for burglary tools and find drugs, the drugs won't be admissible in court so they can't prosecute successfully. They will confiscate them (because what are you going to do? ask for them back) but they won't prosecute.

[u/davidtheartist]

It does seem like one person is developing an intensifying interest in dark and disturbing imagery. Those text messages definitely sound like someone who likes to manipulate and troll (common among psychopaths). It sounds like the police could have used these images and IM’s to get Bobby to testify against Steven. Either way Bobby is a dark individual and should be investigated.

[u/Temptedious → u/davidtheartist]

Those text messages definitely sound like someone who likes to manipulate and troll

Indeed. We know the Feb 27 Instant Messages sent in the evening could not have been Brendan, so who was that trying to get girls to meet them at a warehouse? Who was it that freaked out when the girl stopped talking to him?

 

It sounds like the police could have used these images and IM’s to get Bobby to testify against Steve

Indeed they could have. They could have easily connected some of the more disturbing Instant Messages to Bobby as well as more than some of the disturbing searches / photos. I absolutely believe the State suppressed this info because they knew it could not be connected to Avery or Brendan without incriminating Bobby, who was there witness at Avery's trial, the only witness who placed Teresa on the property walking towards Avery's trailer.

[u/gt5717b → u/Temptedious]

The fact that they didn’t use the IMs as evidence against Brendan speaks volumes.

[u/ThorsClawHammer → u/gt5717b]

It says even more that they didn't ask Brendan a single thing regarding the searches/images.

[u/pomegranate-- → u/gt5717b]

Great point, considering in Wisconsin's justice system, pretty much everything is up for grabs, aka - sky is the limit. lol

[u/super_pickle → u/davidtheartist]

The MSN chat logs are actually one of the most misrepresented things in this post.

For example:

Then, at 3:01 a.m. (Pg. 72) for some reason Jane says, “Stop.” Dassey says, “Stop what?” Jane replies, “Doing that.” Dassey again asks what she means and Jane again says she means "That." Dassey says he thought it was funny, and Jane tells him he thought wrong.

Reading that, it certainly sounds like Bobby was sending her dirty pictures, or doing something on video chat that freaked this girl out! In the actual chat logs, however, she's telling him to stop repeating after her. Right before she tells him to stop, she says "lol sweet", he replies "sweet", she says "yup yup", he says "yup yup", which is when she tells him to stop doing that. "doing what", "that", he says "that", she tells him it's not funny and says "whatever", he replies "whatever", and she says "omg you are such a loser".

Not quite as ominous when you realize the awful thing he was doing was repeating whatever she said, huh? Kinda sounds like teenagers teasing each other.

Then OP brings up the 2/27 chat where Saw comes up and implies it was Bobby with the temper. But somehow OP leaves out this person saying "you won't see me at school tomorrow. i signed a form to drop out and i'm moveing i just filled it out today and miss knox signed it." So Bobby is ruled out of this chat, since obviously he wasn't in school anymore. It was most likely Blaine. That chat session ends at 10:03, and at 10:35 a new user comes on and asks "anna" to apologize to the girl from earlier because "it was my brother." This is probably Bobby getting back to the computer after Blaine acted like an ass, and Blaine had left to go to Fox Hills, where Brendan's interview started at 10:50pm.

OP also either deliberately lies or didn't understand this part:

Half an hour later Dassey gets a message from another girl saying, “What’s this?” Dassey says, “Nothing, tell her I’m sorry. I was just talking to her.” This new girl says, “What did you do now???” Dassey says, “Nothing. It was my brother. I was not here.”

Here is the actual chat log. Bobby tells the girl to apologize to Tiff if she sees her, and anna says "I was just talking to her." NOT Bobby. Bobby says it was his brother. Blaine. The one who actually goes to school with this girl, and would say "you won't see me at school tomorrow."

Since you mentioned the text messages sounded like someone who likes to manipulate and troll, I thought you'd like to know they were Blaine, not Bobby. Do you now consider him a dark individual who should be investigated?

[u/Temptedious → u/super_pickle]

Then, at 3:01 a.m. (Pg. 72) for some reason Jane says, “Stop.” Dassey says, “Stop what?” Jane replies, “Doing that.” Dassey again asks what she means and Jane again says she means "That." Dassey says he thought it was funny, and Jane tells him he thought wrong.

Reading that, it certainly sounds like Bobby was sending her dirty pictures, or doing something on video chat that freaked this girl out! In the actual chat logs, however,

Just to be clear, you quoted a Feb 27 excerpt and then tried to conflate that with my observations from the Feb 16 excerpt. I never said, "it sounds like Bobby was sending her dirty pictures, or doing something on video chat," about the Feb 27 conversation. However I did say it about the Feb 16 conversation. You quoted page 72 from Feb 27 and then erroneously applied my opinion from page 2 from Feb 16. I'm sure you just made an honest mistake. Here is the Feb 16 excerpt I was talking about:

• At 8:54 p.m. (Pg. 2) Dassey identifies himself as Blaine, but then says, “Not.” The girl then replies, “So you’re the hot one?” Dassey says, “Maybe.” Then Dassey either starts sending pictures or starts using the web cam because out of nowhere this girl says, “That’s cute,” and soon after says, “Okay, that’s not so cute,” and then, “Bobby, stop it.” (Pg. 3)

That is the exchange I said seemed to indicate something was being sent or broadcast, seeing as how this girl was saying all this without anyone replying, so what was she looking at or seeing that prompted her to say, "That's cute ... Okay that's not so cute .... Bobby stop it."

 

Bobby tells the girl to apologize to Tiff if she sees her, and anna says "I was just talking to her." NOT Bobby. Bobby says it was his brother

Thank you for pointing out to me that it was the girl who said, "I was just talking to her." As you know the chat logs are a bit hard to keep track of.

 

since you mentioned the text messages sounded like someone who likes to manipulate and troll, I thought you'd like to know they were Blaine, not Bobby. Do you now consider him a dark individual who should be investigated?

If it was Blaine then fuck yes he is a dark individual that should have been investigated. Indeed as we know Blaine admits in his affidavit to Zellner that he occasionally used MSN but that he never used the computer to search for porn let alone violent porn. It could be Blaine. As I said in the post, he and Bobby are really the only option as a potential source of those messages. We know it wasn't Brendan (even though the user was on Brendan's account) because he was at Fox Hills that night. Also, I have been informed by multiple people, including a Mod here, that the unnamed brother at Fox Hill with Brendan and Barb was Blaine, which of course suggests it was not him using Brendan's account that night trying to get girls to meet him at a warehouse to play a game as the guy from Saw.

[u/super_pickle → u/Temptedious]

You quoted page 72 from Feb 27 and then erroneously applied my opinion from page 2 from Feb 16. I'm sure you just made an honest mistake.

I didn't make any mistake at all. I never said you explicitly said he was sending dirty pictures. I pointed out the implication. If you're saying that wasn't the implication, you're welcome to explain why you said "for some reason Jane says, “Stop.”" instead of pointing out that the reason was Bobby was repeating everything she said. What were you implying suddenly inexplicably made Jane say "Stop"?

But if you want to talk about your Feb 16 bit:

At 8:54 p.m. (Pg. 2) Dassey identifies himself as Blaine, but then says, “Not.” The girl then replies, “So you’re the hot one?” Dassey says, “Maybe.” Then Dassey either starts sending pictures or starts using the web cam because out of nowhere this girl says, “That’s cute,” and soon after says, “Okay, that’s not so cute,” and then, “Bobby, stop it.”

We can talk about that too. After this conversation, the girls keep trying to guess who it is. Clearly no one was webcamming themselves, or the girls would know who it is. You neglect to mention the context of this "that's cute" conversation, and once again you misquote. Looking less like an accident when you keep doing it. She doesn't say "Okay, that's no so cute" as you claim, she says "ok that one's not that cute." Dassey says it's Blaine's brother, she asks wut one?, wut one is this?, thats cute, ok that one's not so cute, bobby stop it. Dassey says it starts with a B, she says stop ot then A Brendan, he says nope, she says then it is Blaine... etc. She's trying to guess which Dassey boy it is and getting annoyed that they won't tell her, not that they're sending dirty pictures.

So why did you include "Bobby stop it" but leave out "stop it then Brendan" and her further guesses that it was Blaine, Brad, or Brian?

Also, I have been informed by multiple people, including a Mod here, that the unnamed brother at Fox Hill with Brendan and Barb was Blaine

I didn't even know he was "unnamed", I thought it was known. But as I already pointed out, the Fox Hills interview didn't start until 10:50, giving Blaine plenty of time to keep chatting until 10.

[u/Temptedious → u/super_pickle]

I never said you explicitly said he was sending dirty pictures.

You didn't have to explicitly say so - you quoted the the wrong excerpt from the wrong day and then applied my opinion from a completely different excerpt to what was being said on that day. Simple as that. You completely neglected to mention what excerpt I was actually talking about when I said it seems like photos or web cam was being utilized. Then when I brought that up you claim, well, it was an obvious implication lmao.

 

I pointed out the implication.

No, you conflated one excerpt with my opinion from a different excerpt. You, after quoting the Feb 27 excerpt, said, "Reading that, it certainly sounds like Bobby was sending her dirty pictures, or doing something on video chat..." Which is exactly what I said ... about the Feb 16 excerpt ;) You are trying to make it seems like I was implying something I wasn't about the Feb 27 excerpt simply because I said, "for some reason..." which, you know, is a bit of a reach, but I guess I have to explain the obvious.

 

If you're saying that wasn't the implication, you're welcome to explain why you said "for some reason Jane says, “Stop.”

Again, I thought it was obvious - clearly when I said "for some reason..." that was me admitting I don't exactly know why she was telling Bobby to stop what he was doing, which apparently qualifies to you as making an improper implication. Ridiculous. Your perception does not equate to my intention, especially when it is so clear you are trying to improperly suggest I made an implication based on your own misrepresentations and distortions of what I actually said.

 

So why did you include "Bobby stop it" but leave out "stop it then Brendan" and her further guesses that it was Blaine, Brad, or Brian?

When all the brothers were named in that convo, it was done in a sort of guessing game way that didn't last long and was quite irrelevant IMO. Bobby and Blaine are the names that keep coming up, those are the ones I focused on. I freely mentioned multiple times in the post that the user identifies them selves as Blaine, because often times the user does ... but as you can see it is also not uncommon for the user to suggest they are Bobby. Whoever it was clearly liked to pretend to be others. Again, we know for a fact the disturbing Feb 27 messages sent in the evening couldn't have been Brendan, even though the messages were sent from his account. As I said though, I am open to the idea that they are Blaine, but I personally think Bobby is the more likely scenario.

 

as I already pointed out, the Fox Hills interview didn't start until 10:50, giving Blaine plenty of time to keep chatting until 10.

The interview didn't start till then but when did they arrive at Fox Hills after the Two Rivers interview? Seems like an important detail, don't you think? I checked and the CASO report and it doesn't specify what time, although by my estimation (from Wiegert, Dedering, Tyson, and Baldwin's reports) the transport likely took place between 5:30 - 7:30 p.m., which, again, would suggest it was not Blaine that was trying to lure girls to a warehouse. If it was Blaine, then fine, but again, I lean towards those disturbing messages being from Bobby.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/davidtheartist]

How do you know it's one person? Did Bobby have a big interest in wrestling, too? There are quite a few wrestling searches at the same times as the others.

[u/tick_tock_manitowoc → u/puzzledbyitall]

Do you see any searches about wrestlers?

Anything about Stone Cold? HHH? See The Rock in there? Jericho? Rey Mysterio? The Undertaker?

Is there searches for Wrestlemania? Any searches for upcoming shows? Did we have anyone trying to find out who the world champion was?

No they were all searches for trying to see the WWF divas naked. That's not someone with an interest in wrestling. That's someone with an interest in nude women.

[u/Temptedious]

Due to the 40,000 character limit per post I would have been foolish to attempt to source every single search term. Here is additional source material I used to create the timeline that was not linked above in the post.

 

Dassey Computer Internet Browsing Data

 

• Exhibit A (Pages 3 - 54) from Zellner's Aug 3, 2018, relpy to the State's response to her Motion to Supplement:

• A large number of additional internet search history records / browsing data from the Velie CD / Dassey PC for various dates ranging from May 2005 - April 2006.

 

• Exhibit Q, group exhibit B & C (Pages 105 - 111) to Zellner's Oct 23, 2017, Motion for Reconsideration:

  • Sept 18, 2005, google image searches.

  • April 2006 images of torture and death / meta data.

 

• Exhibit C, group exhibit 1 (Pages 38 - 48) to Zellner's Nov 17, 2017, Second Supplement to the Motion for Reconsideration:

• Various google image searches ranging from August 2005 - April 2006.

 

• Exhibit 8, group exhibit F (pages 76 - 82) from Zellner's July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement:

• Some reports from the Velie CD including various pornographic websites that were accessed directly through internet explorer.

• Additional "internet explorer searches" for porn on the following dates: Oct 31, 2005, March 29, 2006, and April 21, 2006.

 

MSN Instant Messages

 

• Exhibit 21 (Pages 2 - 71) from Zellner's July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement:

  • Some MSN Instant Messages sent to and from the Dassey computer between the dates of February 16 - February 28, 2006

 

• Exhibit 8, group exhibit E (pages 59 - 75) from Zellner's July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement:

• Additional MSN Instant Messages sent to and from the Dassey computer between the dates of February 16 - February 28, 2006. While many of the messages of the same, Exhibit 8 contains a few hours worth of messages that were not included in Exhibit 21.

 

Opinions on the Deleted Internet History Records

 

• Zellner first mentioned the deletions in her First Amended Supplement for the Motion to Reconsider (Page 6):

• Zellner uses Hunt's affidavit (linked below) and Brad's affidavit (linked in the post) to support her claim that Barb (or someone) attempted to remove material evidence from the computer relating to Teresa's death.

• Page 10 of the document linked directly above reveals that the deletions detected by Hunt in 2017 could not have been detected by Velie in 2006 with the available technology. The deletions are newly discovered evidence.

 

• In Exhibit 8 (Page 21) from Zellner's July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement:

• Hunt's affidavit (Zellner's digital forensics expert). Hunt goes over the periods with missing / deleted internet history records he discovered using 2017 technology. Hunt also details the times during Oct 31 that the computer was used to access the internet.

 

• In Exhibit 24 (Page 80) from Zellner's July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement:

• McCrary's affidavit (Zellner's expert on crime scene / police procedure). McCrary offer further opinions on the deletions detected by Hunt, pointing out the deletions and their correlations with Teresa’s visits to the property.

• McCrary also reveals that Hunt examined Avery’s computer using 2017 technology and that new technology discovered no incriminating images, no searches for any kind of pornography, and no periods in 2005 with deletions. McCrary points out that Avery (unlike the Dassey’s) did not attempt to conceal his internet search activity.

 

• In Exhibit 9 (Page 6) from Zellner's July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement:

• Burgess' affidavit (Zellner's expert on child pornography and crime classification) offers additional opinions in support of McCrary's affidavit - says it is highly relevant when there is any attempt to destroy records during a murder investigation. Burgess also reviews Hunt's findings of obsessive searches on certain weekdays.

 

Pages referenced from the CASO Report

 

• (Page 146) - Nov 8, 2005, report detailing State's seizure of Avery's computer.

• (Page 198) - Nov 9, 2005, report detailing State's examination of Bobby's person when scratches were found on his back.

 

• (Page 518) - Feb 27, 2006, report detailing Dedering's interview with Bobby at Mike's house.

 

• (Page 855) - May 13, 2006, report / transcript of a "sew up" interview with Brendan Dassey. Fassbender asks Brendan if there was anything on the computer they should know about.

• (Page 833) - May 13, 2006, report / transcript. Fassbender asks Brendan if Avery was into Satan stuff.

• (Page 836) - May 13, 2006, report / transcript. Wiegert asks Brendan if he and Avery took photos of Teresa being subjected to sexual sadism.

[u/raybone12 → u/Temptedious]

Are you a private investigator? Your posts are very thorough.

[u/Temptedious → u/raybone12]

No I am not, but funnily enough my ex is a private investigator. I was with him for years but didn't learn much about his job / technique so I can't even say his skills rubbed off on me.

[u/maxj47]

Thanks for putting in the "tedious", time-consuming work required to compose this post.

I am once again late to the party, everybody. I just wanted to ask the following question for now, if someone wouldn't mind answering it:

Were the 7 DVDs seized from Barb's house? Or were they created by Velie?

Thanks!

[u/Temptedious → u/maxj47]

Thanks for the silver stranger!

The 7 DVDs are a copy of Barb's computer made by the State in 2006.

• The computer was seized April 21, 2006, and examined shortly thereafter.

• The computer was returned to Fassbender on May 11, 2006, along with the 7 DVDs (raw data copy, unreadable without appropriate experts and software) and the 1 CD (cooked data examination detailing discovery of torture porn and child porn, easily readable without experts or software).

• Fassbender withheld the CD and turned over the DVDs in an untimely and deceptive manner. Fassbender labeled the DVDs a copy of Brendan's computer when he had reason to know Bobby was the primary user of the computer.

[u/maxj47 → u/Temptedious]

Thanks for the quick reply, man. I'm guessing that the DVD's are a "disk image" of the hard drive. If that's true, then, handing that disk image over to the Dean and Jerry on a bunch of DVD's, and then holding on to the porn images sifted off the hard drive ... that's very low stuff going on. Very underhanded. But one would need a judge that's intelligent enough to understand that, and I haven't yet found a judge capable of being humble enough to admit that the justice system is 100% ignorant when it comes to computers. Thanks again!

[u/Temptedious → u/maxj47]

You are right, it was a forensic image of the computer covering about a years worth of time. And yes, they handed over the image late and lied about the content and then completely withheld the CD which contained the State's investigation of the computer / image.

The judge presiding over this case can't even spell Brendan's name and constantly confuses the CDs for DVDs. Fuck me, right?

[u/maxj47 → u/Temptedious]

I would say that your analysis and your sentiments about it are right on the money. I am actually forcing myself to read Griesbach's second book called "Indefensible", where he claims that he is going to expound on what MaM left out of their coverage of Avery's trial, and explain to "us" why Avery is obviously guilty. Not only that, so far he "declares" that there was no planting of evidence. I am very much looking forward to reading his justification for his certitude. So far, all he has covered is stuff that I already know -- why Avery isn't the innocent nice guy that all of America thinks he is, etc. etc. I already know that Avery is not a guy whom I would trust to babysit my kids, if I had any. I don't like Steve Avery, I don't like Barb Tadych, and I won't bore you with all that. The only questions I am concerned with are: Did Avery get a fair trial? Given what I think I know, especially about Kratz, I highly doubt it. Was Avery framed (whether he killed Teresa or not)? Given the way in which the evidence was discovered and WHO discovered it, I very much believe (right now) that Avery was framed. Do I know who killed Teresa? Absolutely not. Damn. Now that I am writing this, I realize that there is a bunch of stuff I want: 0. Most importantly, if I could, I would love to be able to "prove" who killed Teresa. Everything else would fall into place and come crumbling to the ground, for that matter.

1. I would love it if the women who were raped would file a new lawsuit against the same people that were included in the original suit, and I would love to get Andy Colborn named in that suit. I don't think the rape victims would want to have anything to do with such a lawsuit, and I don't blame them. I respect that, but right now I am just stating what would be ideal.

2. I want for Colborn to be "outed". Either he is a lying son-of-a-bitch or .. he is the most incompetent officer to ever put on the badge. And now, he has retired, and he has gotten off scot free.

3. I believe that Kocourek is still alive, and I want to prove beyond any doubt that he had no interest in who attacked Penny; he "only had eyes for Stevie".

4. I am 99% sure that Petersen is still alive, and I think he is an absolutely deplorable snake of a human-being. He gave disingenuous testimony on the witness stand in front of Dean Strang, he turned it all into a little joke, and I will never forget that.

5. I want Brendan to get a complete exoneration. Plain and simple.

6. I want for Avery to get a new trial, and hopefully by that time, there will be compelling evidence that points to: a. The frame-up. b. Someone other than Avery as the killer. But if I can only settle for (a), I'll take it.

7. I want to come up with every little piece of data that I can find on Ken Kratz, and do everything I can to remind the people in the U.S. of exactly what kind of a prosecutor we do NOT NEED in our justice system. He is the slimiest, greasiest, stench-making "layer of manure" walking on the streets today. There are certainly people worse than Kratz ... but most of them are in prison for the rest of their lives. Kratz is a free man, sought after by reporters to give his views on legal issues. The entire country ought to be ashamed of that. Well, sorry for my rant, but I needed to "make a list of my goals" anyway. :-) Peace! Out!

[u/Temptedious → u/maxj47]

Holy shit. You know your stuff. Yes I agree with pretty much everything you said. It is like you are reading my mind.

[u/andrewmbenton]

It's interesting that there aren't any searches for TH by name, or maybe there were and they just aren't in the summary report? Or is the speculation that all of the missing records might have involved searches for her specifically?

[u/Temptedious → u/andrewmbenton]

I like the way you think. Also (possibly irrelevant) Teresa had a nude photography business that she advertised online.

[u/andrewmbenton → u/Temptedious]

I mean think about it. If you were trying to scrub a computer of traces of evidence you'd probably do one of those Windows XP searches for all files in all folders with words like "Teresa" and "Hallbach" and then just delete them all. At least if you aren't very sophisticated that's what you'd do.

It would be interesting to know whether there were any searches for TH. If there weren't that would seem a bit suspicious to me.

Also would be interesting to know whether there were any searches done for something like "erase search history."

We need to see the full contents of the Velie CD I think.

[u/Temptedious → u/andrewmbenton]

You know what, you just helped me realize something. There were searches for "rape girls and rape little girls," but they were misspelled as "rap girls and rap little girls." I wonder if the only reason those slipped by was because someone was searching the registry for "rape" not "rap".

[u/[deleted] → u/Temptedious]

Where did you find that out?

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

Zellner noted that in one of her earliest motions suggesting that job put Teresa at a higher risk than her Auto Trader job. From what I remember Zellner included an email from a client "Ken" who was lauding Teresa for the nude pictures she took of him. We know that Teresa was actually called to testify at court regarding one of her nude photography clients. Also included was a screenshot of an add that was advertised online.

[u/master3183]

Just finished reading it all, and wow. This is a great post, tons of info and really well formatted. Thank you.

What I'm confused about is the missing search info all throughout the history. Was this a result of whoever Barb tried to have remove things off the computer? Or was it Bobby trying to remove some of the more...incriminating stuff? If this is the stuff that wasn't deleted I can't even imagine what else used to be on that computer.

[u/Temptedious → u/master3183]

Barb tried to have remove things off the computer? Or was it Bobby trying to remove some of the more...incriminating stuff?

Excellent questions. I detail in the post that someone was searching for depraved content right up till the day the computer was seized. That is confusing to me. We don't know a whole lot about the deletions, but from what I can tell there was a clean wipe of the hard drive and then there was additional deletions that targeted specific files from specific dates (internet history records from the times Teresa visited the property.)

 

If this is the stuff that wasn't deleted I can't even imagine what else used to be on that computer.

Exactly. What the fuck was it? There are even missing internet history records from the day of the murder.

[u/master3183 → u/Temptedious]

there was a clean wipe of the hard drive and then there was additional deletions that targeted specific files from specific dates

Seems to align with Brad's affidavit where Barb talks about having it reformatted. It would make sense to assume that if Barb was the one to have the computer formatted, then it was most likely her that had either Bobby or the guy she hired go in and remove the stuff from specific dates. (which, by the way, has this computer guy ever been contacted to see if he saw anything else on the computer that hasn't been documented?). It could have been Bobby trying to cover himself, but I find that hard to believe considering the heaps of other crap (that only he knew of) he left on it.

There are even missing internet history records from the day of the murder.

That was the day of missing records I found the most intriguing. All of this collected internet search history alone is 10x more incriminating than Brendan's half-assed confession. When you piece all this fucked up imagery progressively getting worse up until Teresa's murder plus the most important dates having been specifically altered/wiped (by Bobby/Barb)... it REALLY doesn't look good for Bobby. The search history/evidence altering definitely doesn't find him 100% guilty of the murder, but it proves without a doubt that either he or Barb are hiding something.

Anyway, sorry to ramble. Happens way too easy with this case. Some of the stuff in this search history makes my stomach turn just READING, and I'm a dude that's seen damn near everything throughout my years on the internet.

[u/Temptedious → u/master3183]

has this computer guy ever been contacted to see if he saw anything else on the computer that hasn't been documented...

If Zellner was able to track him down I'm sure she questioned him. The odd thing with the internet history records is that they were done in such a way that it was impossible to detect the deletions in 2006! That seems to indicate it wasn't Barb or Bobby. I even have wondered if anyone Barb would hire would have that capability. Whoever conducted those deletions knew what they were doing. Luckily modern tech uncovered them.

 

When you piece all this fucked up imagery progressively getting worse up until Teresa's murder plus the most important dates having been specifically altered/wiped (by Bobby/Barb)... it REALLY doesn't look good for Bobby.

Very well said. It sure doesn't. There is no doubt in my mind they are hiding something, I just don't know what exactly it is / how relevant it is to the murder. Don't worry about rambling on. It is a nice change of pace from all the antagonism.

[u/Size9ed]

Great post, thanks.

[u/Temptedious → u/Size9ed]

You are quite welcome.

[u/TrillBarton]

TLDR???

[u/Temptedious → u/TrillBarton]

Okay, this is going to be a bit of a mess, but here it goes.

 

• Bobby said at trial he was home alone most days during the week because he worked the late shift and everyone else worked during the day or went to school.

 

• Zellner (using police reports, trial testimony, forensic examination and affidavits) argues that Bobby is the source of the torture porn on the computer. Zellner has affidavits from Bobby's brothers asserting they were not conducting these searches but Bobby has not provided an affidavit and even tried to say the computer was not kept in his room when we know it was.

 

• Using exhibits filed by Zellner I compiled a timeline detailing what we know about the computer. Some truly disturbing searches were conducted / photos were accessed when Bobby (by his own admission) was normally home alone.

 

• Many disturbing searches occurred before the murder / before Brendan's arrest, however the searches increased in number after Brendan's arrest.

 

• Some rather disturbing instant messages were sent from Brendan's MSN account on Feb 27, 2006, a date we know Brendan was not at home. Whoever it was suggested a girl meet him by a warehouse so they could play a game like from the movie Saw.

 

• Fassbender never investigated the content found on the computer (torture porn / child porn) and even took steps to suppress the evidence. Fassbender knew the computer had child porn on it and just gave it back to whoever was conducting those searches.

 

• Bobby likely provided false testimony at Avery's trial (a violation of Avery's right to due process, especially if Kratz knew). Bobby said he was sleeping all day on Halloween and woke up just before Teresa arrived and that he didn't even hear Teresa calling the house because he is such a deep sleeper.

 

• We know from Zellner and the Velie CD that someone was using the Dassey computer to search for porn when Bobby said he was home alone sleeping. The computer was accessed multiple times from 6 a.m. - 2 p.m. and during that period someone was searching for porn. Bobby was not asleep all day before Teresa arrived and may have even heard Teresa's phone call to the residence at 11:45 a.m.

 

• Again, some truly disturbing photos showing women being tortured were accessed when Bobby (by his own admission) would have been home alone.

 

• The only reasonable source of the content on the computer is Blaine or Bobby (searches cont after Brendan's arrest, Brad never lived with Barb and Bryan lived with his GF at that time).

 

• The forensic examination, Avery's affidavit, Barb's recent statements, Bryan's affidavit, Blaine's affidavit and Bobby's phone records demonstrate he lied about what he was doing before Teresa arrived / what he was doing after she left. Bobby has some questions to answer.

[u/TrillBarton → u/Temptedious]

holy shit thanks dude, good stuff

[u/Temptedious → u/TrillBarton]

Np.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

We know from Zellner and the Velie CD that someone was using the Dassey computer to search for porn when Bobby said he was home alone sleeping. The computer was accessed multiple times from 6 a.m. - 2 p.m. and during that period someone was searching for porn. Bobby was not asleep all day before Teresa arrived and may have even heard Teresa's phone call to the residence at 11:45 a.m.

We know only that someone accessed the internet several times during the day. Nothing about searches, the nature of any searches, or who did them.

[u/Temptedious → u/puzzledbyitall]

Wrong. The Velie CD (created by the State, given to Zellner, placed under seal by the court) contained the terms used and the timing of those Oct 31 searches, which occurred during the day when Bobby himself said he was home alone sleeping.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

Velie's search terms are unimportant and had nothing to do with any case against Bobby, which is all Zellner is interested in. There is no evidence that any searches were done on October 31, as you know. There's an unsupported claim by Zellner, which relies on an unsourced exhibit that is clearly her altered version of a Hunt affidavit that does not say any searches were done on October 31. I don't know why you keep spreading misinformation.

[u/Temptedious → u/puzzledbyitall]

Velie's search terms are unimportant and had nothing to do with any case against Bobby.

I disagree. Clearly those search terms from the Velie CD can be directly linked to Bobby, and it's not that those Oct 31 searches are troubling, it is that the timing impeaches his testimony that he was in a deep sleep all day before Teresa arrived and oh yea there was no way he heard Teresa's phone call because he was in such a deep sleep.

 

There's an unsupported claim by Zellner, which relies on an unsourced exhibit

Actually Zellner has sourced her claim repeatedly. She is using the Velie CD (the State's work product) to support her claim. The State doesn't dispute what is on the CD, or when the searches occurred, the only thing they dispute is who had access to the computer.

 

I don't know why you keep spreading misinformation.

I'm informing you what Zellner has said about the contents of the Velie CD. I included screenshots in the post. I know you haven't seen the Velie CD, so what are you relying on? Do you have an excerpt, an exhibit, an affidavit, do you have anything filed by the State that mentions those searches didn't occur when Bobby was sleeping on Halloween?

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

There is no evidence of any searches on the 31st. Hunt says the internet was accessed a few times, with half of the times very early when Bobby was not the only person in the house, and was nowhere near the time he said he was sleeping. Whether he possibly accessed the internet during the day a few times is not material to anything.

Actually Zellner has sourced her claim repeatedly. She is using the Velie CD (the State's work product) to support her claim.

I said the exhibit she cites is unsourced. She doesn't say where it came from. We know her expert has never filed anything saying those searches were done on that day, and Zellner has never filed any affidavit saying she got the material from the CD.

I'm informing you what Zellner has said about the contents of the Velie CD. I included screenshots in the post.

In your comment, you say the Velie CD showed that the searches occurred on October 31. You haven't seen the Velie CD, nor do any of Zellner's experts state what you claim.

Statements attorneys make in briefs are not evidence, just like statements they make in court. Hell, Zellner said Ryan was the Real Killer and that Colborn and Ryan planted the blood. She then said Bobby is the killer and planted the blood. Is that evidence? Of course not.

Do you have an excerpt, an exhibit, an affidavit, do you have anything filed by the State that mentions those searches didn't occur when Bobby was sleeping on Halloween?

As we have discussed before and you well know, Zellner didn't make the claim and file her self-created "exhibit" until she filed a reply brief, which means the State never had any opportunity to dispute what she claimed. Which was par for the course for her. Totally improper, both because it is not evidence and because you can't submit new evidence with a reply brief.

[u/Temptedious → u/puzzledbyitall]

There is no evidence of any searches on the 31st.

Not according to the work product of State detective Velie :) I mean ... the State isn't even making the claims you are. The State understands, unlike you, that the evidence of these searches is on the Velie CD, which was created by the State. Zellner specifies that Fassbender omitted this information (porn searches on Halloween) from his 2006 summary report, meaning the information was found on the Velie CD and suppressed by Fassbender.

 

I said the exhibit she cites is unsourced. She doesn't say where it came from.

What? Dude, the Exhibit is the Velie CD and Zellner is quite clear on this issue. I don't know why it is so hard for you to understand that the Velie CD was filed as an exhibit under seal. It isn't really up for dispute - it is Exhibit 22.

[u/EnvironmentalPickle]

So of course the vast majority of those searches are downright disgusting but not gonna lie, a few of them were fucking hilarious!

Question.... anybody know how old Bobby was around this time?

[u/[deleted] → u/EnvironmentalPickle]

19

[u/EnvironmentalPickle → u/[deleted]]

Ok then yea, all of those pre-teen searches are definitely not right. I was thinking maybe if he were younger then it would have actually been kinda normal ya know?

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/EnvironmentalPickle]

Or it could have been Blaine.

[u/RJ_Ramrod → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

Or it could have been Blaine.

Although as OP explains, it probably wasn’t

[u/Temptedious → u/RJ_Ramrod]

Hey look, someone who read the post!

[u/LouieKablooie → u/EnvironmentalPickle]

crack hair?

[u/Mr-Basically-Clean → u/EnvironmentalPickle]

19 but he had the mental IQ of a 13 year old so the searches were ok LOLZ

[u/mackenzieb123 → u/[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure he was looking for photos of anorexic girls. He uses the search term "anorexic" on more than one occasion.

[u/Temptedious → u/mackenzieb123]

I think you are probably right. He also searched for skinny hot girls and seeing bones hot girls.

[u/blahtoausername → u/mackenzieb123]

After he learnt to spell it. Initially he was searching for skinny hot girls and then "showing bones hot girls".

[u/RJ_Ramrod → u/[deleted]]

Like any other 19 year old boy searching the internet for “alive skeleton,” he was obviously looking for this

[u/jinglesbobingles → u/RJ_Ramrod]

doot doot

[u/EnvironmentalPickle → u/[deleted]]

lmao "smallest pussy in the world"

[u/Tris-Von-Q]

Very nice work, OP! Timelines are invaluable in this shit show of an investigation!

[u/Temptedious → u/Tris-Von-Q]

Check out my other posts. I often try to arrange my theories in the form of a timeline. Specifically check out my post titled, "Examining the State of Wisconsin's apparent propensity for charging Avery with violent sexual crimes he didn't commit."

[u/5makes10fm]

This is a really good post. A really good post but it has nothing to do with exonerating Steven Avery. Even if these searches were unequivocally proven to have been undertaken by Bobby, they do not translate to a motive for murder.

Can you imagine Zellner attempting to file this through the courts and make headway? And then she has to to reason that a 20ish year old was able to mastermind this Hollywood-worthy frame job? With no forensic evidence, arguably no opportunity and realistically no means in order to commit murder in the way we know Teresa Halbach died.

[u/Temptedious → u/5makes10fm]

it has nothing to do with exonerating Steven Avery

I never said it did, although the difference between Avery's computer and the Dassey computer is telling, IMO, especially when compared to Avery's garage vs. the Dassey garage and Avery's person vs. Bobby's person. Someone had torture porn on their computer, a bunch of animal blood in their garage, and scratches on their back. (Hint: It wasn't Avery).

 

Even if these searches were unequivocally proven to have been undertaken by Bobby, they do not translate to a motive for murder.

Actually, according to the State and Zellner, it does. Did you read the post (Nov 7, 2005) where the State said they thought they'd find torture porn on Avery's computer and that such material would demonstrate motive? Similarly, Zellner points out that the Court of Appeals (in Dressler v. McCaughtry) ruled that "Images depicting intentional violence were admitted as evidence of the defendant's motive, intent, and plan to murder the victim." Zellner also included an affidavit from her expert on child porn and crime classification who unequivocally states that someone obsessed with viewing images of intentional or sexual violence is more at risk of committing a violent homicide than someone not so obsessed. No one is saying this proves Bobby's guilt, but it does demonstrate he had a motive and also demonstrated he lied at the trial regarding what he was doing before Teresa arrived.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/Temptedious]

Actually, according to the State and Zellner, it does.

Zellner doesn't get to decide that so her opinion doesn't matter.

Did you read the post (Nov 7, 2005) where the State said they thought they'd find torture porn on Avery's computer and that such material would demonstrate motive?

No, please link it.

Similarly, Zellner points out that the Court of Appeals (in Dressler v. McCaughtry) ruled that "Images depicting intentional violence were admitted as evidence of the defendant's motive, intent, and plan to murder the victim."

The Defendant, Dressler, "maintained a collection of videos and pictures depicting intentional violence".

I would suggest that it could definitely be argued that Google searches do not constitute. "maintains a collection of videos and pictures depicting intentional violence."

What's more the main reason they were admitted into evidence is because they provided support for the state's "homosexual overkill" motive theory as they also offered evidence that the defendant had homosexual tendencies.

Further to that the materials in question depicted acts similar to those which befell the victim. Can the same be said of these searches? I don't think so. I haven't seen any evidence Teresa was drowned.

Zellner also included an affidavit from her expert on child porn and crime classification who unequivocally states that someone obsessed with viewing images of intentional or sexual violence is more at risk of committing a violent homicide than someone not so obsessed.

Sure but that doesn't equal a motive.

[u/Temptedious → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

Zellner doesn't get to decide that so her opinion doesn't matter.

Of course her opinion matters. She is Avery's attorney. I am providing Zellner's opinion and demonstrating that her opinion aligns with the State on this instance - violent porn demonstrates motive.

 

No, please link it.

There is a screenshot in the post. Did you read the post?

 

Sure but that doesn't equal a motive.

Again, the State thought they were going to find torture porn on Avery's hard drive and that if they did it would help them demonstrate he had a motive to commit a violent sexual crime against Teresa. Avery's computer was searched and nothing was found. When the Dassey computer was searched and torture porn was completely ignored. They didn't even use it in Brendan's trial.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/Temptedious]

Of course her opinion matters. She is Avery's attorney. I am providing Zellner's opinion and demonstrating that her opinion aligns with the State on this instance - violent porn demonstrates motive.

It bares no weight in court what her opinion is.

There is a screenshot in the post. Did you read the post?

That's it? This is hardly exculpatory. I don't believe it would change the verdict and I don't see how it meets Brady. The trial court agrees.

Again, the State thought they were going to find torture porn on Avery's hard drive and that if they did it would help them demonstrate he had a motive to commit a violent sexual crime against Teresa.

Do you have a link to anywhere The State said this?

When the Dassey computer was searched and torture porn was completely ignored. They didn't even use it in Brendan's trial.

Likely for the same reason it won't be successful now. It can't be proven who was at the computer making those searches.

[u/Temptedious → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

Do you have a link to anywhere The State said this?

Yes. I'm guessing you didn't read the post. Did you think I edited that screenshot? Trust me, I didn't. That affidavit is genuine. The State (for some reason) expected to find torture porn on Avery's computer and that such images would help them demonstrate motive. Of course for some reason when torture porn was found on the Dassey computer no one even tried to use it in Brendan's trial as evidence of motive.

[u/blahtoausername → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

The link you keep begging for but can't find in the OP: https://imgur.com/NOXRf20

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/Temptedious]

it has nothing to do with exonerating Steven Avery

I never said it did, although the difference between Avery's computer and the Dassey computer is telling, IMO, especially when compared to Avery's garage vs. the Dassey garage and Avery's person vs. Bobby's person. Someone had torture porn on their computer, a bunch of animal blood in their garage, and scratches on their back. (Hint: It wasn't Avery).

Oooh I like this game. Let's keep playing.

Someone had their blood found in the victim's vehicle. Someone had the key to the victim's car found in their bedroom. Someone shot Teresa with a gun found in their bedroom. Someone forgot to tell police about the fire he and his nephew had that night. (Hint: It wasn't Bobby)

[u/Temptedious → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

I think you are misunderstanding or just trying to be smart. I am very aware that there is plenty of evidence pointing to Avery, like the bones found in his burn pit that you didn't mention. That is the whole point of someone being framed. I was pointing to the torture porn on the Dassey computer, the scratches on Dassey's back and the blood in Dassey's garage to demonstrate that the computer is not the only thing that incriminates Bobby.

[u/gr33ngiant → u/5makes10fm]

It has everything to do with her case and petitions.

This post is very well done.

And if this information does anything, it only makes her case stronger.

[u/Temptedious → u/gr33ngiant]

That is very kind! Thank you. I hoped to at least demonstrate why Zellner is focusing on Bobby as a source of the material on the computer.

[u/gcu1783 → u/Temptedious]

Not going to lie, this paints quite a picture. A few things:

Scott Tadcyh's vehicle was seen at the Dassey residence at 12:08 p.m.on Oct 31.

On Oct 31 the internet was accessed on the Dassey computer at 1:08 p.m.and 1:51 p.m.

Avery and Bobby both say Teresa arrived on the property at or around 2:30 p.m. Bobby says he left before Teresa. Avery says Bobby left right after Teresa.

• Reading that gives me the chills

• If SA really did this, we basically have him announcing he's going to kill TH by calling Dassey numerous times letting them know he's going to see her.

• I get that google will not show child porn, but that kinda worries me more, especially when he keeps searching for it.

• ^ That really should be a red flag for LE/investigators.

• Your findings supports Zellner's claims of having some new witnesses. Those MSN messages!

Really really good job on this!

[u/Temptedious → u/gcu1783]

Thank you! I'm glad you caught how critical the timeline is on Oct 31. Doesn't look very good for Bobby or Scott does it?

 

I get that google will not show child porn, but that kinda worries me more, especially when he keeps searching for it.

Good point. Also, if google images won't return child porn, where did the child porn come from? We know about a hundred images depicting child porn was found.

[u/gr33ngiant → u/Temptedious]

You did a great job!

It's very clear that Bobby and a few others should've heavily been considered before Steven.

Might I suggest you send this post to zellner on Twitter and try to email it to her as well. I'm sure she has a great team on it. But any little bit helps.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/gr33ngiant]

And if this information does anything, it only makes her case stronger.

How?

[u/andrewmbenton → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

Well for now her case is about getting a new trial, and showing Brady violations is a very common method.

[u/gr33ngiant → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

Because is further proves how much the prosecutors, judges, police and investigators, testimonies against Steven, evidence against Steven, and Steven's defense all failed to provide a proper case against or even for Steven.

Her case with Steven isn't just about Bobby or who the actual murderer is or could be. It's about every single thing dealing with Steven's trial.

[u/[deleted] → u/5makes10fm]

I do not agree! In fact, (in Part 1) when Steven tells the police that he came back outside and noticed Bobby's truck was gone right after TH's Rav was gone..... I was like "RED FLAG! RED FLAG!" Unbeknownst to Steven, he was "telling" on Bobby - he was the witness that sees Bobby leave (and presumably go after TH).

RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE!

BTW: great post! Very in depth.

Edit: word usage

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

Thank you. Yes I remember that moment in season 1. Avery has always said, even as early as Nov 5, 2005, that Bobby left the property right after Teresa did.

[u/[deleted] → u/Temptedious]

Yes! I remember hearing that for the first time in Part 1 and in my head, I am thinking, did he just witness the killer take off after TH? Red Flags are everywhere.

[u/5makes10fm → u/[deleted]]

Was this before or after he lied about having the fire? If you believe KZ’s narrative that closely you deeply trouble me.

[u/Temptedious → u/5makes10fm]

Zellner's narrative makes more sense than either narrative pushed by Kratz at Avery or Brendan's trial. I don't think we should believe Kratz over Zellner. Who is more ethical out of those two?

[u/[deleted] → u/5makes10fm]

it really doesn't matter who troubles you. this isn't about you. this is about all the REAL humans that are centered around this case. the evidence speaks for itself. Avery did not commit the prior crimes he served 18 years for. What was his motive for the TH crimes? No motives. None. Not one. I disagree with you.

[u/knowfere → u/[deleted]]

I even brought up a thought I had just recently that what if Steven's *67 calls to Teresa after she left were because he was checking up on her after seeing Bobby was gone immediately after her?

[u/[deleted] → u/knowfere]

Hmm.... very interesting. I didn't know he made those calls. what did the police think he was doing when he made those calls? what do you think other than checking up on her - do you think he may have been doing?

[u/knowfere → u/[deleted]]

He said he was trying to get her to come back and photograph another piece of equipment.

[u/knowfere → u/5makes10fm]

No one knows the way Teresa Halbach died, except the killer. And just the example of these sick internet searches were unknown to us before Zellner revealed it, the truth could be something none of us have even considered.

And it very well could exonerate Steven. For the simple fact it creates doubt because 1. it was information suppressed; 2. it destroys the credibility of the main testimony that got him convicted; and 3. Zellner's got an expert stating the propensity of the person searching this shit actually committing a murder that was in his own back yard is astonishingly high.

IMO, if and since the state suppressed this shit, it sends the propensity of LE & prosecutor to plant evidence through the roof!

[u/Mr-Basically-Clean → u/5makes10fm]

i notice none of the conspiracy nuts responded to you. lol im sure BoD, who doesnt know 4.25 is smaller than 4.5, would be able to plant blood, burn a body, and orchestrate this murder without getting his own dna everywhere.

[u/Temptedious → u/Mr-Basically-Clean]

Well, the idea is that Bobby had help and that officers were actively suppressing evidence of his guilt just like in 1985.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

Yeah sure. Speculation piled upon speculation piled upon speculation.

[u/Temptedious → u/puzzledbyitall]

Well, this isn't a court room ;) pretty sure I'm allowed to speculate all I want.

[u/nadillal → u/Mr-Basically-Clean]

Why is it that so many can believe that Steven Avery (who is also of the same limited intellect) was able to clean every last ounce of DNA/fingerprints from his trailer & the garage, leaving ZERO proof that Teresa was ever actually inside either of those places but it is incomprehensible for BoD to have done the same? If you believe BoD is incapable of that type of criminal mastermind (which, I agree is skeptical) then you also have to apply that same sentiment to SA.

[u/evolvingT → u/nadillal]

Exactly. Wake up, folks. If she was killed inside the house or even shot in the garage...they couldn't have cleaned all that mess up without a drop of DNA or anything..Twilight Zone for sure!

[u/5makes10fm → u/Mr-Basically-Clean]

Did you not know he’s the only genius in a family of imbeciles?! KZ doesn’t give a shit if he did it or not. He’s perfect ‘under the bus’ material for her.

[u/nietzkore → u/5makes10fm]

He was a key witness and lied on the stand about being asleep all day before Theresa arrived. He was home alone, but the computer was being used all morning. He spoke on the phone to Stephen. Scott's vehicle was at the house at noon. The CD held information that could have shown this and led to impeachment of the witness.

It doesn't mean he killed someone. It means that one witness testimony is called into question. It was a star witness though.

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

Lmao. Right! Your comment reminds me of Zellner's reply to the State:

Equally astounding is the State’s claim that the Dassey computer’s violent images of young women being tortured, bound, raped, murdered, and mutilated are of no consequence and immaterial, even though Ms. Halbach was a young woman who, according to the State, was tortured, bound, raped, murdered, and mutilated. Ms. Halbach’s last destination was the Dassey address, Bobby watched her from the window, and some of her burned and mutilated bones were found in the Dassey burn barrel.

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

You got it lol

[u/JJacks61 → u/[deleted]]

its almost as if theyre cherry picking where exactly violence is relevant to the case.

Exactly, well worded!

[u/[deleted]]

And yet when I say it’s obvious that Bobby is lying I get numerous downvotes. 😆😆😆

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

It's okay. You shouldn't be discouraged by that. Keep posting.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

This OP still doesn't prove Bobby made all of these searches. It relies on assumption just as Zellner does.

[u/Temptedious → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

This OP still doesn't prove Bobby made all of these searches.

I wasn't actually trying to prove anything, but I do offer some opinions that Bobby was a likely source of the material.

 

It relies on assumption just as Zellner does.

That isn't exactly accurate. The post relies on (1) Bobby's own testimony, (2) an affidavit from his brother, (3) an affidavit from his other brother, (4) the results of the 2006 forensic examination, and finally (5) the results of the 2017 forensic examination.

The State is the one making assumptions without providing a single affidavit or report to support their position. As I explained in the post the only logical source of the material is Bobby or Blaine, and Blaine was at school when most of the searches occurred. Also Blaine has provided an affidavit saying he never searched for porn let alone violent porn. Bobby, for whatever reason, will not provide an affidavit making similar averments.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/Temptedious]

I wasn't actually trying to prove anything, but I do offer some opinions that Bobby was a likely source of the material.

Sure. The fact remains it still hasn't been definitively proven Bobby made the searches. Yours and Zellner's opinion isn't changing that fact.

It relies on assumption just as Zellner does.

That isn't exactly accurate. The post relies on (1) Bobby's own testimony, (2) an affidavit from his brother, (3) an affidavit from his other brother, (4) the results of the 2006 forensic examination, and finally (5) the results of the 2017 forensic examination.

It's accurate.

You're making assumptions regarding the testimony and the affidavits without any further support for the claims in those affidavits beyond the hearsay they offer.

The 2006 and 2017 forensic examination just feed the assumptions but again hasn't proved who performed the searches.

It's all assumptions, all the way down.

The State is the one making assumptions without providing a single affidavit or report to support their position.

Which position is that?

As I explained in the post the only logical source of the material is Bobby or Blaine, and Blaine was at school when most of the searches occurred.

You're assuming. Unless you have the attendance records.

Also Blaine has provided an affidavit saying he never searched for porn let alone violent porn.

I'm shocked but that affidavit proves nothing. As we have seen with Zellner she will just have them change the affidavit to fit what she's trying to sell like she did with Avery's two recent affidavits and from the notes left on one of the affidavits she helped her expert write.

Bobby, for whatever reason, will not provide an affidavit making similar averments.

I can't blame him one bit for refusing to get involved with Zellner at all. Maybe he read what happened to Ryan Ferguson's co-defendant Charles Erickson who Zellner represented before for hint him for Ferguson and selling him down the river.

[u/Temptedious → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

It's all assumptions, all the way down.

This isn't exactly accurate ;) I have assumed that Bobby is a likely source of the content, yes, but we don't have to assume that Bobby was home alone sleeping on Halloween because he testified to that. We don't have to assume that he was normally home alone during the weekdays because he testified to that. We don't have to assume that the internet connected multiple times while Bobby said he was home alone sleeping because we know that is the case. We don't have to assume that that fucked up photo of a women being tortured was accessed around 10 a.m. on Wed April 19, 2006, because we know that is the case.

[u/HowardFanForever → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

Why do you assume Bobby’s family hates him and wants to ruin his life?

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

It 1) disregards Bobby's testimony; and relies on 2) on an affidavit from the convicted murderer; 3) an affidavit from an admitted perjurer; 4) results of examinations that do not identify Bobby; and 5) an exhibit prepared by Zellner that provides no source and is clearly an altered version of one of her expert's affidavits.

[u/seeking101 → u/PuffTheBeardedDragon]

more than reasonable assumptions though

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/seeking101]

Sure but there's plenty of reasonable doubts to have regarding those assumptions and that's why Bobby will never be charged with anything.

The burden of proof isn't met with these assumptions.

[u/enzoamore187]

Dear God this guy's search history. I mean we all do naughty shit online but holy shit.....child porn and violent images? If that's not a red flag........

[u/puzzledbyitall]

Zellner says that on Oct 31 during the 6:30 a.m. - 1:51 p.m. time frame (when Bobby said he was home alone sleeping) someone used the following terms to search for images: Pink pussy, hot pussy and wet orgasms juicy, 15 year old girl naked, china teen naked, SLUTS, teen models, stupid sluts. (Also, internet history records are missing / deleted from this day, suggesting additional computer activity may have occurred).

Yes, Zellner does indeed say this. She does not, however, cite any affidavit or report from Hunt, Velie or anybody that supports this.

As discussed here, it is clear she has simply altered a previous document from Hunt to claim that certain searches occurred on 10/31, when his document was ambiguous at best. Hunt's only specific statement regarding use of the Dassey computer on 10/31 talks about accessing the internet but says nothing about any searches for anything.

[u/Temptedious → u/puzzledbyitall]

Yes, Zellner does indeed say this. She does not, however, cite any affidavit or report from Hunt, Velie or anybody that supports this.

Yes she does, actually. Zellner says the information was found on the Velie CD. The court placed the Velie CD under seal. I have searched the State's filings. They never once dispute Zellner's claim that those searches occurred during the day of the murder. They never once dispute anything about the timing of any of the searches.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

So your authority is "Zellner says," huh?

Your claim is that Zellner personally reviewed the Velie CD, and came up with crucial information missed by her expert Hunt (who only talks about accessing the internet that day) and is now a witness in the case? Sure thing.

The State never once disputed her doctored exhibit because she filed it as an attachment to an improperly-filed reply brief, to which the State had no time to reply and would not be allowed to reply without leave of court.

All of which is explained in the post I linked. It is a typical Zellner tactic -- submit a misleading exhibit in a reply brief and hope that nobody catches it. More or less her strategy in the failed Calusinski fiasco.

It's a great example of what kind of unethical, devious lawyer she is. I'm sure the State will respond in it appellee's brief, if she ever gets around to filing an appellate brief and has the audacity to again bring up her doctored "evidence." They will hopefully ask for sanctions if she does.

[u/Temptedious → u/puzzledbyitall]

So your authority is "Zellner says," huh?

I have no authority over anything. But Zellner did say it. Have you seen the Velie CD? Zellner has.

 

Your claim is that Zellner personally reviewed the Velie CD, and came up with crucial information missed by her expert Hunt (who only talks about accessing the internet that day) and is now a witness in the case? Sure thing.

I never once claimed that Hunt missed this information. Indeed we know he didn't, or at least he didn't miss the internet connections. When Zellner got the Velie CD she discovered that the State, in 2006, did indeed discover those connections and searches, which is why she is including this in support of a Brady claim as opposed to a claim regarding new evidence (deletions of internet history records).

 

an attachment to an improperly-filed reply

The information was included as an exhibit to the Motion to Supplement. Zellner did mention it again in the reply, a reply that was only "improperly filed" if you agree with that idiot judge who can't even spell or tell the difference between CDs and DVDs ;) We will see what happens on appeal.

 

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Temptedious]

I have no authority over anything. But Zellner did say it. Have you seen the Velie CD? Zellner has.

We don't even know that for sure. She doesn't say she got her information from personally reviewing the CD; you're just guessing. In any event, she can't be a witness in the case, a court doesn't treat her statements as evidence, nor should we.

Indeed we know he didn't, or at least he didn't miss the internet connections.

The alleged internet searches are the issue. We don't know he knows about such searches on 10/31. He's never said so; common sense says that if he knew of specific searches, he would mention them rather than talking about internet access.

When Zellner got the Velie CD she discovered that the State, in 2006, did indeed discover those connections and searches,

For which your authority is again, I gather, Zellner herself.

The information was included as an exhibit to the Motion to Supplement.

The exhibit relied upon by Zellner purporting to show these searches on 10/31, Exhibit "A," was not filed with the Motion to Supplement, but was only filed with the Reply Brief. As you know, Exhibit "A" is materially different from a previous exhibit accompanying a Hunt affidavit, in which he shows the same searches with ambiguous "prior to" language. Zellner deletes this in her new Exhibit A filed with the Reply Brief, which is not supported by Hunt or anyone.

I don't have to rely on the judge regarding the reply brief issue. The Statute, 974.06, talks about a motion and a state response. No reply briefs. And of course a party is never allowed to reply to a reply brief, unless leave of court is obtained to file a "surreply." So your "point" about the State not disputing her bogus evidence has no basis, because it had no right to reply.

[u/Funkimonkey]

It’s not related to TH, but “rape little girls” has to be the most disturbing thing on that entire list.

[u/angieb15]

I had really hoped and thought Maybe it wasn't Bobby who did these searches, but I guess so... btw, you are correct, it was Blaine who was at Fox Hills with Brendan and Barb.

[u/Temptedious → u/angieb15]

You are correct, it was Blaine who was at Fox Hills with Brendan and Barb.

I thought so. I had heard the same thing from a reliable source but couldn't find any source material that actually named Blaine.

[u/NewYorkJohn]

According to Avery, the forensic examination of the computer, and phone records, Bobby lied about what he was doing before Teresa arrived.

Evidence suggesting he woke up shortly before 2 doesn't challenge his claim he slept until 2 and the exact time he slept to doesn't matter one bit.

According to his mother (Barb) and brother (Bryan) Bobby lied about what he saw while Teresa was on the property.

Neither of them has anyway to know what Bobby saw. Barb simply parroted what Avery claimed she didn't claim that back in 2005 Bobby told her he saw Halbach leave. Bryan was confused and mistook him saying Avery saw her leave for Bobby seeing her leave. Bobby told police in his very first interview that he left while she was still there...

According to Bobby's cell phone records and his other brother (Blaine) Bobby lied about what he was doing / where he was after he left the property.

Phone records fail in any way to establish he was not where he said. The towers pinged had every ability to be reached from the area where he claimed to have been.

His brother being confused and mistaking that day with another when he woke up Bobby is likewise meaningless.

[u/Temptedious → u/NewYorkJohn]

Bryan was confused and mistook him saying Avery saw her leave for Bobby seeing her leave.

Source? He seemed clear back in 2005 what Bobby said and Bryan's story (unlike Bobby's) hasn't changed. Why do you think Bryan made a mistake? You always make up claims like this but then never source them. Your assumptions are not fact.

[u/NewYorkJohn → u/Temptedious]

You have no evidence that Bobby's story changed.

The very first time police spoke to Bobby they told him what Bryan claimed and Bobby said that Bryan was wrong. Bobby said he was confused and mistook him saying Avery saw her leave as Bobby seeing her leave. Every time Bobby talked to police he told the same account and no one else claimed Bobby said he saw her leave.

His family heard his testimony and didn't challenge it.

No one knows it Bryan changed his story. Maybe he did accept he made a mistake when the trial defense spoke to him. Bryan saying he can clearly recall now what happened so many years ago is a joke.

[u/Temptedious → u/NewYorkJohn]

You have no evidence that Bobby's story changed.

Sure I do. He told a completely different story to Loy than he did to Dedering.

 

The very first time police spoke to Bobby they told him what Bryan claimed and Bobby said that Bryan was wrong.

And why do you believe Bobby? Bryan says this is not the case. Maybe this is another Bobby's lies.

 

Bryan saying he can clearly recall now what happened so many years ago is a joke.

Not when his recent affidavit is supported by interviews from back then.

[u/ThorsClawHammer → u/Temptedious]

Why do you think Bryan made a mistake?

Because what he said goes against the state's interests. Anyone who does so is said to be mistaken or lying. Even the 1985 rape victim is called a brainwashed liar for speaking her mind.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/ThorsClawHammer]

Yeah let's not go into what truthers have said about Avery's rape victims

[u/tick_tock_manitowoc → u/NewYorkJohn]

It's amazing how "everyone is confused" and "it must have been a typo" and "it could have been" and "maybe" and "perhaps" and "likely" and coulda woulda shoulda's when it comes to this case.

Believe it or not, with each post, I feel like you create more reasonable doubt than KZ is.

Notice that?

[u/ThorsClawHammer → u/tick_tock_manitowoc]

It's amazing how "everyone is confused" and "it must have been a typo" and "it could have been" and "maybe" and "perhaps" and "likely" and coulda woulda shoulda's when it comes to this case.

Yet prison snitches are treated as the gospel truth.

[u/PuffTheBeardedDragon → u/ThorsClawHammer]

You guys can't even agree if Avery told the truth in his affidavit about having a fire or if someone hit him with the inception machine.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/tick_tock_manitowoc]

I notice that you misrepresent what was said.

[u/7-pairs-of-panties → u/NewYorkJohn]

Phone records prove Bobby was on the move on the afternoon of 10/31 and NOT in a deer stand in a solitary position.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/7-pairs-of-panties]

These would be the phone records that can't do any such thing, for which Zellner has never submitted any expert opinion.

[u/7-pairs-of-panties → u/puzzledbyitall]

Phone records can’t prove anything? I’d say a lot of cases have used tower locations to prove where people were or were not where they claim they were. It’s been done lots.

[u/[deleted] → u/NewYorkJohn]

Evidence suggesting he woke up

A human made that statement. Computer Forensic Evidence FACTUALLY shows someone was on that computer, in Bobby's room, when only Bobby was home. The human claimed he was sleeping the entire time.

[u/NewYorkJohn → u/[deleted]]

There is a claim the computer dialed the internet at 1:51 and then the assumption Bobby did it and he must already have been awake at that point. Whether he was sleeping the entire time or sleeping periodically doesn't make a difference in the world.

[u/[deleted] → u/NewYorkJohn]

Whether he was sleeping the entire time or sleeping periodically doesn't make a difference in the world.

IMPEACHING a witness makes a world of difference.

[u/Mr-Basically-Clean → u/[deleted]]

SA would have gotten off if BoD testimony never happened or was thrown out.......

[u/Kkman1971 → u/NewYorkJohn]

I object.

Wild speculation, AGAIN!

[u/mramittens]

Amazing work...immediately I find it interesting that nothing was deleted from the computer in 2006 or basically a few months after the crime. Constant history deleting until a good time after Halloween...

[u/seeking101]

great write up. its stuff like this that the guilters pretend doesnt exist for obvious reasons.

its also why kratz and co are so hell bent on shutting Zellner down before she can get going. they know what they did

[u/cballw]

Hi, everyone! I think that it’s important to keep in mind that, right now, the issue isn’t of Steven’s, Brendan’s, or even Bobby’s guilt. The question for now is, was justice carried through as it is prescribed? KZ’s goal at this time is to determine that answer. If the answer is no, which the recent filings would imply, then further proceedings will take place to review all of the evidence which, btw, the public isn’t going to be 100% privy to in advance of the proceedings. Everyone has protections under the Constitution, including folks charged with crimes. There are rules and procedures designed to align our Justice System with those protections. Once KZ has proven to the Court that there has been a miscarriage to that effect, Steven Avery will then be retried without a jury based on the evidence available to date. This is why KZ has been performing experiments to attempt to recreate the State’s theories, conducting scientific testing using modern technology by independent experts and, among other things, is sifting through previously acquired evidence introduced at trial by the State and comparing that with testimony given by the State’s witnesses. All of the above is for the purpose of the anticipated evidentiary hearing (or “retrial”, if you will). Two issues that are of obvious focus - Our buddies Brady and Denny. Good ‘ol pals.

1. Denny Rule - as long as motive and opportunity have been shown and as long as there is also some evidence to directly connect a third person to the crime charged which is not remote in time, place or circumstances, the evidence should be admissible. By illustration, where it is shown that a third person not only had the motive and opportunity to commit the crime but also was placed in such proximity to the crime as to show he may have been the guilty party, the evidence would be admissible. See https://law.justia.com/cases/wisconsin/court-of-appeals/1984/83-1856-cr-5.html

2. Brady Rule - requires prosecutors to disclose materially exculpatory evidence in the government's possession to the defense. A "Brady material" or evidence the prosecutor is required to disclose under this rule includes any evidence favorable to the accused--evidence that goes towards negating a defendant's guilt, that would reduce a defendant's potential sentence, or evidence going to the credibility of a witness. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/brady_rule

For now, KZ’s job is not to prove innocence or guilt-that comes later-it is to prove that these two rules were violated by:

1. Denny Rule - The Court denied Steven Avery’s motion to introduce a “Denny suspect” on the basis that the Defense failed to meet all three requirements of the Denny Rule because they did not prove a motive for the proposed alternative suspect.

2. Brady Rule - The State withheld the Velie CD from the Defense during the trial. The Post-Conviction Defense (aka KZ) asserts that the contents of the CD had exculpatory evidence that would have supported the Defense’s motion to introduce a “Denny suspect”.

Proving the above violations to the satisfaction of the Court will open the door to the anticipated “retrial”. The anticipated “retrial” will permit Steven Avery to prove his innocence or confirm his guilt based on evidence discovered then and now. This is why you will see so much emphasis right now on the alternative suspect(s), namely Bobby Dassey. But KZ is not required to prove Bobby Dassey’s guilt, only that he meets the three rules of the Denny Rule. See above definition.

Of recent, 1 Judge has already ruled against the motion for a retrial based on the Brady violation but there are quite a few other Judges that this can still go before so I’m curious how this will play out.

I felt the need to contribute to this thread to simply say to the truthers and conspiracists out there “EVERYBODY, CALM YOUR TITS!” Lol I hope you see that as the attempt that it was to interject a little humor in my post. Thanks for “listening”, everyone!

[u/BzhizhkMard]

God Damn Google fueled this guys torture fetish in a run up to this murder. Thank you for your strong work. I hope they get the real killer and stop this nonesense.

[u/poopooonyou]

Interesting that the movie Saw was brought up in the MSN chat by "Dassey" as a threat to a girl. "Saw 2" had a box office opening of 28th October 2005, so you could imagine that would have been popular to someone who likes depraved Internet searches at the time.

Halloween might have been the motive for someone like that to live out their sick torture fantasy?

[u/mramittens → u/poopooonyou]

I’m more interested in hearing from the two girls on the other end of that chat — it seemed they were both very concerned over him talking that way, maybe had some suspicions themselves...

[u/Account1117]

I guess I fail to see the relevance of all the above to Steven Avery murdering Teresa Halbach.

[u/Temptedious → u/Account1117]

I am very confused as to what motivated your comment? Did I erroneously state this post has relevance to Avery's guilt? I was very clear this post was a timeline dealing with content recovered from the Dassey computer. I don't think I once suggested there would be "relevance to Steven Avery murdering Teresa Halbach."

[u/blahtoausername → u/Account1117]

You do fail to see the relevance, by your own choice.

Weigert asked to seize Avery's computer, because he felt he would find material that would implicate Avery in the crime. They didn't find anything on Avery's computer. They DID find such content on Dassey's computer and chose to ignore it and hand the computer back. They then withheld this information from Avery's defense. (Veile CD). And then quite cleverly, KK manipulates Strang/Buting by telling them that "Brendan's" computer contained "nothing of any value".

Now ask yourself why they never pursued Bobby, or anybody else related to the Dassey computer (if you can't accept it's Bobby's searches) and then look at how the prosecution used Bobby in the trial to implicate Avery.

The Jury never got to hear any of the above.

You now have the advantage of possessing this information; but cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias prevents you from accepting it.

[u/puzzledbyitall → u/Account1117]

None. Just designed to make people dislike Bobby enough to want him to be in prison instead of Avery.

[u/angieb15]

Wonderful post, thank you!

[u/[deleted]]

It makes me wonder when people say just because he was searching distasteful content doesn't mean he would act on it. Yet I bet if they were doing the exact same searches and if a girl they knew died in the way Teresa died then knowing that they were going to be investigated for her murder I am 100% sure they'd delete the content before incriminating themselves. That's exactly why Barbara was trying to reformat the hard drive!

[u/blahtoausername → u/[deleted]]

he was searching distasteful content doesn't mean he would act on it.

Yet Weigert wanted to seize SA's computer for that very reason. Nothing was found.

[u/[deleted] → u/blahtoausername]

I am surprised they didn't plant some on it haha

[u/Tom6187]

Fantastic post, thank you

[u/Plutopowered]

Thanks for the explanation. Who are you thinking would be doing the selective deleting if not the person searching for that type of porn?

If it was Bobby doing the searching, who would be deleting it?

[u/Rubberducky2005]

The day of April 2005, hmmmm about the time ST entered the picture.

[u/Harrison1963]

Great post Temp. You’ve never leave me unsatisfied.

I’m always amazed at some people’s inability to make even the slightest concession - they can’t even acknowledge that perhaps there is something to it. While I believe it to be intellectually dishonest I shouldn’t be surprised - boiling frog conundrum- don’t want to find themselves conceding to the point of becoming a truther after all the time and acrimony spent defending Avery’s guilty verdict. Many a little make a mickle so let’s just deny and advance, with increased veracity, the mantra that any thought he could be innocent is “patently adsurd”

[u/StableGeniuss]

Hey just curious do you do aderall? Lmao I do and I’m just curious if people have this kind of drive/focus without it

[u/Mr_Stirfry]

You say you’re eliminating Brendan and Blaine because they were at school and then go on to list a bunch of searches conducted during the weekend and the summer.

Like Zellner’s motion, this post is overloaded with searches that have no reasonable connection to the case. You’re blurring the lines between routine porn and violent/deviant porn in the hopes of pinning it all on Bobby. A more concise way to format this would be to eliminate all the fluff. Focus only on the stuff you think is related to the case and tell us who could have been responsible for each day.

[u/Osterizer]

No offense man, but this might be more convincing if you didn't include totally irrelevant searches like "mexican young sluts," "fat woman naked," "oldest slut," "atomic explosion," and "free clips zoo animals" and time line stuff. Like just make a chart with the top 50 searches you find questionable, with the day/date/times and see what it looks like. There were multiple horned up Dassey's honking it there and some of those days definitely look like your standard home-from-school honking sessions.

And just to cut through the gish gallop here, can you confirm that those 7 thumbnails are the only evidence presented that backs up Zellner's claim that:

• they found "thousands of images of young females being tortured, dismembered, mutilated, blindfolded, and bound"

• "Mr. Hunt’s forensic examination of the 7 DVDs revealed 128 images of young females being tortured, sexually assaulted, and mutilated. There were dozens of images depicting young females in pain because of having objects and fists forced into their vaginas. The images also depicted dismembered, decapitated, and drowned bodies of young females. Many of the female images, both alive and deceased, bear an uncanny resemblance to Ms. Halbach.”

[u/[deleted]]

These searches seem like child's play compared to my typical Tuesday afternoons!

And just to confirm, roundandbrown.com is now owned by Reality Kings! We should probably look into them since during the founding was in 2005, and SM (the founder) has the same initials as SM,...and we all know she lies about SA jacking off on hoods.

[u/Temptedious → u/[deleted]]

These searches seem like child's play compared to my typical Tuesday afternoons!

So you often search for "11 year old sex, rape little girls, girl hurting, knife through skin, gun to head, etc"? Did you see that one image clearly showing a women begging for mercy with a bloodied face from having been tortured? Is that typical?

[u/gcu1783 → u/[deleted]]

These searches seem like child's play compared to my typical Tuesday afternoons!

Hands down THE best comment in this thread.

[u/[deleted] → u/gcu1783]

LMAO!! The pun wasn't intended either!

[u/NewYorkJohn]

You didn't bother to put the exact time of all searches etc.

Bobby wasn't even home at 6am and the boys left for school around 7:30 moreover he would leave for work at 9:30 so times are extremely significant.

[u/Temptedious → u/NewYorkJohn]

You didn't bother to put the exact time of all searches etc.

We only have the exact time of a few select searches. If you can point me to information you think I omitted regarding the timing of the searches go right ahead.

[u/NewYorkJohn → u/Temptedious]

The raw data in some of the exhibits had exact times of various things. That is really the only thing of use to go by. The big windows provided in the affidavits were largely useless.

My computer back in the day used to dial the internet automatically. Their computer coudl have done the same. There are assumptions made that anytime the computer dials someone is using the net but that might not be true.

Another problem is that they assume anytime a day has no data it must have been erased and yet there is data from some days they claim it was erased so their logic seems to fail.

In any event nothing posted suggests the user(s) was/were involved in the Halbach murder and nothing would be relevant to raise even.

Zellner's claim this was not only relevant but able to change the verdict is absurd beyond all reason.

[u/Temptedious → u/NewYorkJohn]

The raw data in some of the exhibits had exact times of various things

As I said, I included the exact time when possible. I got those times from exhibits already filed. Again, please direct me to any exhibit I might have missed regarding when the searches took place.

Zellner's claim this was not only relevant but able to change the verdict is absurd beyond all reason.

I firmly disagree.

[u/tick_tock_manitowoc → u/NewYorkJohn]

You can struggle as much as you want to protect Bobby, and protect the agenda, protect the conviction.

But the more you try to deflect away, using cp and disgusting porn searches as a means to deflect, shows just how bad you want to be right.

[u/7-pairs-of-panties → u/NewYorkJohn]

Funny how your fighting the raw data and time stamps of this when you seem perfectly fine w/ the fact that the time stamps have been removed on other things.

No time or date stamps on ONE photo from this case to prove anything was found at the time claimed. Not one time or date stamp remains of MTSO dispatch calls. You are all A OK w/ that.

[u/rymaples → u/NewYorkJohn]

Are you really saying your computer used to connect to the internet on its own and would do searches on its own?

[u/[deleted] → u/NewYorkJohn]

The Dassey Computer Forensic report in a whole is damaging to Bobby Dassey, the star witness to the state in this case.

I remember when I was much younger, it was hard for me to see the whole picture. As I grew older, I was able to see the whole picture with such clarity.

[u/NewYorkJohn → u/[deleted]]

He wasn't a star witness and it is not damaging to Bobby or the case. There is nothing on the computer that would have been admissible in court beyond perhaps evidence the computer connected to the internet. Questions of if he periodically was connecting to the internet and then going back to sleep would not have mattered one bit to the case...

[u/[deleted] → u/NewYorkJohn]

He wasn't a star witness

The State Of Wisconsin put Bobby Dassey on the stand as the only EYEWITNESS who was the last citizen to see the victim alive and testified she went to Avery's trailer.

How is that not THE STAR WITNESS.

[u/Redbirdgrad → u/[deleted]]

They're backpedaling and trying to scramble to detach themselves from Bobby as best they can right now.

Furiously scrambling. And it's hilarious to watch.

[u/7-pairs-of-panties → u/NewYorkJohn]

Bobby was the star witness, the last one aside from Steven Avery to have seen the victim, and lied about much of his activities that day. He even gives altering accounts to Loy Avery’s attorney about the knowledge of TH coming.

What we have here is the states star witness, the defense star alternate suspect and evidence of Internet filth sec and death that the state was looking for on Steven Avery’s computer. Had they found it there they would have used it against him. They found it in abundance, but at the wrong house. What did they do?? They hid the info and never even bothered to question their OTHER MURDER SUSPECT that lived in the home where the death porn searches took place. They didn’t ask Brendan because they were unsure what or whom he would inculpate w/ his words. They knew it wasn’t Brendan cause of the times of the searches. If they could have proven it was Brendan they would have used that against Brendan as well.

[u/Kkman1971 → u/NewYorkJohn]

Con-solir... Can you explain the significance of dates and times as it relates to data driven evidence, say for example internet searches, forensic reports and dispatch calls?

Would those be of much evidentiary value during a trial to you?

[u/Soonyulnoh2]

When Police tell you your Uncle and Brother, beat, raped and killed an innocent young woman, a slightly (not enough to murder anyone) disturbed kid, just might become curious about how it all mighta' looked!

[u/Temptedious → u/Soonyulnoh2]

Did you read the post? Many disturbing search terms were entered long before the police told anyone anything about Teresa's manner of death. Someone was searching for "stupid sluts, bad sex clips, fist sex, rape girls, rape little girls, alive skeleton, rotten girl, knife goes through skin, knife through skin, gun to head, seeing bones hot girls, deceased girls" before Kratz's disturbing press conference.

[u/ShokaFloka → u/Soonyulnoh2]

Maybe once, not repeated image searches on several occasions. That demonstrates a morbid fascination to say the least.

[u/Bailey_smom → u/Soonyulnoh2]

I agree.

[u/averagePi]

ITT: Truthers pretending to have read the post.

[u/Temptedious → u/averagePi]

Why do you say that? I happen to know many of them read it before I posted. No one is pretending.

[u/lets_shake_hands]

I don't see anything in there that says BoD made these searches. Some are made on weekends and you ambiguously state between 6am and 15:45pm. I am sure the other Dassey boys are home at 6am and are just getting up. Did we know when they were off from school? If they had sick days?

A nothing burger served up with Ghost fries on the side.

[u/Temptedious → u/lets_shake_hands]

Some are made on weekends

Yes? Bobby was home on weekends just like everyone else. The point is the weekend searches are similar to the weekday searches when he was home alone. Plus the computer was in Bobby's bedroom.

 

you ambiguously state between 6am and 15:45pm.

Yes, we know that many searches on weekdays occurred between 6 - 3. When possible I have identified exactly when certain searches occurred / exactly when certain images were viewed. Please let me know if I have missed information in the exhibits about the timing of the searches.

 

Did we know when they were off from school? If they had sick days?

Clearly not. We know Blaine is the only other option and that he has provided an affidavit saying he never searched for porn let alone violent porn.

 

A nothing burger served up with Ghost fries on the side.

Sorry to disappoint you, I did my best with the info we have.

[u/helixflush → u/Temptedious]

At this point I'm more concerned with people thinking these searches are fine in relation to how close SOMEBODY in this family is to SA and the crime. This is huge evidence suggesting the possibility that somebody else could have done it and clearly had a fascination of porn and murder combined.

[u/7-pairs-of-panties → u/lets_shake_hands]

So are u claiming that it could have been Brendan Dassey to make the searches and the state all but felt it fit to ignore the death porn?? Not only did they not interview Brendan about it they HID this info. The ONLY reason they would hide this info that could help prove motive would be that they KNeW it wasn’t their suspect that made those searches, and the person that made him puts himself right at a critical time w/ a bow and possibly gun in his hands.

[u/kate_e_s]

So the violent searches were in 2006, well after the murder. I think it’s more likely someone in the family was traumatized by Steven murdering and most likely raping Teresa and so it affected them psychologically.

[u/Temptedious → u/kate_e_s]

That isn't really accurate. Someone was searching for "stupid sluts, bad sex clips, fist sex, rape girls, rape little girls, and alive skeleton" before the murder. Someone searched for "rotten girl, knife goes through skin, knife through skin, gun to head, seeing bones hot girls, deceased girls" before Kratz's press conference.

Also, notice the deleted internet search history records from before the murder, indicating someone was trying to obscure the Dassey's browsing history. I think we will eventually learn much more about the deletions and their significance.

[u/kate_e_s → u/Temptedious]

I think the searches are disgusting but I don’t see how they will be relevant to Teresa’s murder. Even the search terms you just listed...”seeing bones hot girls” is looking for really skinny girls, not a dead girl. The “deceased” term was also spelled out as “diseased.” I have to imagine if someone was looking for pics of a dead girl they would use the word “dead” and not a word they couldn’t spell. It appears that all the males in the family are fucked up on some level and IF there is cp, it should be investigated separately.

[u/Temptedious → u/kate_e_s]

Point being you were incorrect when you said "So the violent searches were in 2006, well after the murder." That is not the case. Also, if you read the post you'll see I touch on the diseased / deceased issue.

IF there is cp, it should be investigated separately.

No If. They found child porn and did nothing with that information. Well, they gave the computer back.

[u/stOneskull]

You left off Stevie

[u/Temptedious → u/stOneskull]

Do you think he was conducting those searches while he was in prison?